Just my thoughts on AI creeping into this Site, I pay good money to read good stories on this Site stories written by YOU the Author not an effing computer. Take Note Lazeez, AI is a deal breaker, don't let it destroy the site. As an afterthought AI pictures can be excused, AI stories are fake, nothing more or less than sacrificing your humanity as an Author. Cheers to the real Authors.
IMO we have become too dependent on technology in our daily lives. It will be interesting to see how people handle life when there is no more electricity. Something we only had for less than 200 years.
Given the degree to which civilization would have to crumble for there to be no more electricity, I certainly hope no one alive today is in a position to see how people handle life without it. But I also suspect that, to get to that point, the vast majority of people alive today would be dead anyway. By the time electricity is out of the picture for most people, a lack of food, water, sanitation, and medical care will have done in vast swaths of the population.
I don't agree. Unless you have a personal way to make your own electricity via solar or wind. it wouldn't take much to take out enough power plants that would take time to rebuild.
And that there are those people that want to sue the power companies out of biz. I find it funny that there are people who while bitching about how high their bills are ($2000-3000 a month) they also want to sue the companies hundreds of billions of dollars for the fires.
I find it funny that there are people who while bitching about how high their bills are ($2000-3000 a month) they also want to sue the companies hundreds of billions of dollars for the fires.
What's funny about that? Consumers didn't cause the problem, why shouldn't they be upset about having to pay for it?
I find it funny as in they don't think it through. If they feel their rates are high now, what do they think the rates will be after the suit? Do they think the power companies will just eat the 200 billion or pass it on to the consumers?
I still can't understand how they can have bills in the thousands a month in the first place. I rarely pay more than 200 a month for my 600 sqft mobile home running either 2 electric heaters or window AC's.
I find it funny as in they don't think it through. If they feel their rates are high now, what do they think the rates will be after the suit? Do they think the power companies will just eat the 200 billion or pass it on to the consumers?
They can't just pass it on to the consumers. Electric rates are highly regulated in most states. They can't raise rates without permission from state regulators. In CA they aren't likely to get it.
CA utilities are already in a rough position.
They have been forced to divest almost all of their generation capacity to independent operators.
At one time they were prohibited from entering long term contracts with power suppliers (I'm not sure if they still are). They had to purchase all of their power on the spot markets.
CA regulates electric rates more tightly than most other states.
The combination of these things can easily put the CA utilities in a position where they are forced to sell electricity for less than what they are paying for it.
If the utilities income is insufficient to meet its needs, then it should be no surprise that maintenance gets pushed off. More deferred maintenance will lead to equipment failures, such as live wires breaking and potentially starting fires, or brown outs, or...
If the utilities income is insufficient to meet its needs, then it should be no surprise that maintenance gets pushed off. More maintenance leads to equipment failures, such as live wires breaking and potentially starting fires, or brown outs, or...
True. But is that the utility's fault or is it the regulator's fault because the regulator wouldn't allow them to fully recover their costs?
If the utilities income is insufficient to meet its needs, then it should be no surprise that maintenance gets pushed off.
You're begging the question of income being insufficient. PG&E has a documented [1] history of diverting funds meant for safety and maintenance into bonuses and profit.
[1]: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/PG-E-diverted-safety-money-for-profit-bonuses-2500175.php
The combination of these things can easily put the CA utilities in a position where they are forced to sell electricity for less than what they are paying for it.
That won't happen. They'll file bankruptcy first and the state will likely take over the power companies which is the goal behind the regulators' and government's actions.
It is already happening. They are already selling below their overall cost in CA. That is why Pacific Gas & Electric stock is down 15% in the last year, and Edison Electric is down 25%. CA is requiring them to spend more money, and blocking all attempts to raise rates.
So more equipment failures will arrive shortly, thus no electricity to operate your multitude of gadgets. Thus it will be a return to horses, carriages, and cooking over a fire. It will be interesting to see how that works in a high rise.
Thus it will be a return to horses, carriages, and cooking over a fire. It will be interesting to see how that works in a high rise.
It's worse than that — there is no infrastructure to support horses/carriages and open-spit cooking. All of that would have to be created more or less from scratch.
Draft horses are pretty rare in the West. Thoroughbreds are not going to cut it.
Yes, the inhabitants of high rises are f-cked, but only slightly more than the average suburbanite.
I happen to know how to ride and care for a horse, and how to tack them. Most people do not. My problem would be finding a farrier who had access to the necessary raw materials to keep my horses properly shod and a vet to handle things I couldn't.
Again, massive infrastructure that simply does not exist.
I spent 3 1/2 years homeless and considered myself one of the lucky ones as I had a small 20-foot RV to live in with 50 watts solar panels to charge my battery (not enough for laptop or TV but enough for a tablet or phone) so I know I could survive. The main downside is finding somewhere to empty the black tank.
I did have a generator, but it was to load to use. The trick to being homeless is not to draw attention to yourself. I didn't cause any problems and kept my spot clean.
Horses are one thing, as many already care for their own. But reinventing the 'buggy builders' craft is a much higher threshold, and will take considerably more time.
Horses are one thing, as many already care for their own. But reinventing the 'buggy builders' craft is a much higher threshold, and will take considerably more time.
Unless libraries are destroyed, it won't take nearly as long as trying to breed and raise draft horses. After all, wheeled vehicles are an ancient invention.
Thoroughbreds are not work horses.
Who needs a buggy? Take a convertible, remove everything in the engine compartment and the body panels. Add a horse. But like you said, unless you have Amish neighbors, where will you find a draft horse? And if you have Amish neighbors, they already have a buggy.
You don't necessarily need to find one of the big cold blood draft horses.
https://www.oqha.com/what-is-a-quarter-horse
Quarter Horses were a large part of colonial America and as the country grew, so did the popularity of the American Quarter Horse. The breed helped conquer and settle the West, easily pulling farm wagons and plows, fighting battles with Native Americans and quickly containing herds of cattle. The Quarter Horse helped in many day-to-day activities in colonial life; they helped carry Pony Express riders, brought preachers to isolated places of worship and rushed doctors to the homes of injured frontiersmen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_horse
The Morgan horse is one of the earliest horse breeds developed in the United States.[1] Tracing back to the foundation sire Figure, later named Justin Morgan after his best-known owner, Morgans served many roles in 19th-century American history, being used as coach horses and for harness racing, as general riding animals, and as cavalry horses during the American Civil War on both sides of the conflict. Morgans have influenced other major American breeds, including the American Quarter Horse, Tennessee Walking Horse and the Standardbred.
There are grid collapses (could be accomplished by taking out power plants, of course), but those are generally localized to an area (barring, again, something like deliberate attacks, in which case we're again either in a serious war or civilization collapse). Ukraine has been in a war in which one side has been deliberately attacking the power infrastructure for years and still generally has electrical service, so it's not as easy as all that.
But that remains a localized outcome. If one postulates the majority (everywhere within a wide area or worldwide) in a first-world country living without electricity, that also means little to no water delivery or processing, refining (and thus gasoline), and so forth, which would catastrophically affect the food supply in the area. Most first-world people wouldn't 'handle life' without electricity in a widespread outage, they would die from lack of food and (reasonably safe) water, which was my point.
Obviously, there are partial solutions: prioritize power to refining, food production, water purification and delivery, etc, and let the people go without. That's possible, but it presumes there's enough of a grid to get power where it's wanted, which is conjecture at this point depending on exactly what destroyed enough generating capacity to require most of the populace to live under blackout conditions.
There are people who want to sue all sorts of things out of business. That doesn't mean it's a practical possibility. At some point, the state would intervene, either (partially or completely) protecting the power company from liability or socializing it (with protection from liability). They would have to, because the alternative is being voted out of office (best case) or lynched (worst case).
In the case of electically-triggered wildfires, the question is: was there preventable gross negligence that caused the wildfire? If so, why shouldn't there be significant liability? Should any business (including necessary ones) be able to do hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damage due to gross negligence and not have to compensate those they harm? Why would that make sense?
Note: I'm not saying there was gross negligence, nor that it could have reasonably been prevented given current policies, nor that the wildfires were even necessarily caused by electrical distribution. But, if there was, that seems like something we should strongly discourage.
Mind you, there is no reasonable way that a power company could possibly pay off fines at that level. They would declare bankruptcy and someone else would take over their operations (as mentioned above, likely either with some form of state protection or as a state agency). But 'Oops, sorry, I did so much damage that I can't pay for it, so I guess I'm off the hook' is a really bad standard for society, too.
Remember a few years back when there was a prairie fire, IIRC, in Kansas. It was started when a high tension line came down. people sued the electric company for the fire damage and lack of electricity, even after it was pointed out that the wire was down because people were shooting at the insulators. It was argued that the company shouldn't have used porcelain insulators that could be damaged that easily.
On the one hand: maybe they probably shouldn't have used those insulators. That's an industry-expert question, and I don't have the expertise to judge.
On the other hand: Hitting things with bullets will damage them. Given intentional firing, those people get 99%+ of the blame. Even firing randomly into the air leaves one responsible for what that bullet eventually does, but an intentional act leaves no doubt.
Which makes it a 'idiot jury' question - do they get a jury that, for whatever reason, decides the power company has an 'unreasonably' high share of the blame? Quite possibly, and that's where laws limiting liability help (assuming the power company is in a position to appeal under those laws, anyway).
All of which is fascinating, but also misses the point I was making: no matter how many power companies are sued, the state will not allow them to be shut down in the end. They'll either limit liability or make them state agencies. The voters may have limited sympathy for power companies and may wish to treat them as piggy banks, but they would have far less sympathy with government if that government causes them to be left in the dark any longer than absolutely necessary.
Which is where we started. I don't see 'lawsuits' as a plausible way to wind up with a large number of people in a sustained blackout. Brownout / rotating blackout, maybe, since we could get into a situation where limited resources lead to power availability dropping below some threshold. But there would be intense pressure to fix that quickly, and we're talking about repairs, not bringing new plants online.
My point was more of a "What if" because my first point was that we have become too dependent on technology and if we lose it, we wouldn't know what to do.
Yes, I have a smart phone, but to me that is all it is besides playing music on it. It stays in my pocket, not my hand. We have allowed technology to control so much of our lives.
We have smart cars that drive themselves, smart doors that need a thumb or eye to open, a smart refrigerator that calls in an order for you. Not to mention all the stuff that can be hacked. I refuse to have a bank app on my phone for that very reason. I remember when none of this was an issue because it didn't exist then. I still remember a time when a home computer was still a dream.
Saw this today:
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/kc-crowne-rania-faris-lena-mcdonald-chatgpt
Guess SOL isn't the only place with an AI problem.
This is a fail at multiple levels. Anything dead-tree published should have a professional editor and/or proofreader, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, mistakes still get through, occasionally, but this is more than just a 'mistake', and anyone worthy of doing either job should have caught this.
This is definitely a 'heads will roll' situation. How many? Who knows?
Cheers to the real Authors.
I've just encountered another author padding out their story with AI-generated scenes. The author doesn't write in that style so it jars. I wish they'd provided some sort of warning.
AJ
I don't enjoy the fact that my muse has run away, screaming, but I'd rather not write at all than use AI-generated crap...
I tried to use an AI to write something, just for curiosity.
I don't know about other AI, but the one that I used was such a pain in the ass and it was geared towards erotica.
First, I gave it the plot that I had in mind.
It wouldn't start anything before I declared that all the characters are 18+.
Next it wrote two starting paragraphs, asked me to pick one, I had to read both and weigh each's appeal.
I selected one and it wrote another two paragraphs following the selected one and again asked me to pick.
It was such a slow and tortuous process that I gave up after three paragraphs.
With the time that I used to write three paragraphs, I would have written 10 from my own head.
But I guess if you can't write for shit to begin with, then an AI could possibly be a useful tool.
I don't know about other AI, but the one that I used was such a pain in the ass and it was geared towards erotica.
Which one did you use?
Which one did you use?
Sorry, can't remember. Getting too old to remember a website's name that I used once 4 months ago.
Getting too old to remember a website's name that I used once 4 months ago.
How far back does your browser history go? ;-)
AJ
a pain in the ass and it was geared towards erotica.
That's a specific kind of erotica. :)
Cheers to the real Authors.
Thank you kindly, dear Sir!
I share your sentiment. I hate the Milli-Vanilli stories, too.
You had to like their songs to remember their songs.
Milli Vanilli were AI before there was AI. While I can't remember any of their songs, I still remember laughing my ass off with their dance moves.
I told you guys a couple years ago that AI was gonna destroy "art". Now I have been proven correct.
Visual arts like photography, painting/drawing, and video are suffering.
Music is suffering.
And WRITING is suffering.
AI is pure shit. Nothing more.
Low effort crap for idiots with low level mental function.
Now any mouthbreather can plug in a few parameters to an AI program and have "art" produced for them.
No talent and no sweat.
And the kicker ???
AI gets ALL its material from ripping off existing information on the internet.
Plagiarism made simple and mainstream.
AI gets ALL its material from ripping off existing information on the internet.
There's a cable TV news guy on NewsNation named Leland Vittert who was born with autism. He wrote a book about how his father quit his job and taught him how to cope in society. The book, "Born Lucky," was recently published and is near the top of the best sellers list in several categories.
On today's show, he showed AI generated covers for AI generated books that looked like his, including his name. There had to be at least a dozen of them. People are being duped into buying an AI generated book instead of his. Jane Friedman was his guest who said that happens to most books that do well.
I told you guys a couple years ago that AI was gonna destroy "art". Now I have been proven correct.
To be fair, this has happened before, and we adjusted. Obviously, Americans being so young and immature 😛, have yet to experience this, but for the adults, we have been through this before. Most notably last week in 1826. Then, it was a case a weavers finding themselves superseded by power looms.
Like the current situation with AI, a lot of highly skilled individuals found themselves at the mercy of industrial mechanisation, and unemployed/unemployable.
At the time, there was some... disgruntlement... but time, as they say, waits for no-one.
It's going to be the same this time, the names may have changed, but the process hasn't. Then, as in now, some individuals are going to see that the ways of the past have moved on, they will grasp the new opportunities and will thrive, whilst those too busy lamenting the past will drown.
It's also worth noting, that people became Chicken Little when computers arrived and artists and painting suppliers argued that there would be no more 'physical art' and yet, here we are, people are still slapping stuff on canvas and other surfaces and 'doing very well thank-you very much'...
Oh, and the nineteen seventies, when synths were all the rage. It was going to be the death of the orchestra, of the composer, and yet, they still exist. Unfortunately...
If you look back, almost every profession has been changed by progress. Some have been messier than others in the transition, but life has continued. Actors and bankers are next to be modernised. They are going to be unhappy. They are going to make a lot of noise. But ultimately, they will go the same way as all those before them and after a few weeks, they will just become a footnote in history with the majority of the populace not caring. Very much in the same way the majority of the people today don't care about all the weavers who lost their jobs, or the drovers, or the thousands of people who once cut peat/dug coal to fuel fires, or the thousands who tended the sails on ships, or the lamplighters, town criers, rat-catchers, ice cutters and err... video store clerks...
The cycle has gotten pretty short, really. In the 1990s, Photoshop was going to be the end of graphic designers, photographers, and artists (depending on which prognosticator one looked at). Now, AI is going to be the death of Photoshop experts, in theory, as well as graphic designers, photographers, and artists of various sorts.
I tend to doubt it, based on historical precedent.
Now, AI is going to be the death of Photoshop experts, in theory, as well as graphic designers, photographers, and artists of various sorts.
I thought that was supposed to be Canva. Or is it (as sung by a Buggle cover) 'Canva kills the Photoshop star' and AI kills Canva?
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To be fair, this has happened before, and we adjusted. Obviously, Americans being so young and immature 😛, have yet to experience this, but for the adults, we have been through this before. Most notably last week in 1826. Then, it was a case a weavers finding themselves superseded by power looms.
Like the current situation with AI, a lot of highly skilled individuals found themselves at the mercy of industrial mechanisation, and unemployed/unemployable.
The biggest one that comes to mind is the dial telephone. Used to be, every town had at least one switchboard operator, usually at least two. Then along comes the dial phone, and within a single generation the only operators that may be found are in in-house systems. Another example, in metropolitan areas one could usually find a traffic cop at most major intersections - now we have traffic lights.
Those are just two of the examples I can come up with off the top of my head (and where did that phrase originally come from?).
What happens if the AI in product development at a major food producer has read Soylent Green?
Keep a watch out for references to those food producers conglomerates acquisitions. If they start buying funeral home chains...
I'd like to be able to block all the A.I. stories, but I already brought it up to Laz and the idea was rejected.
Maybe not block, but at least label. Although enforcing that could be a problem.
I spotted lots of similarities between Dark Apostle's latest story which, with refreshing honesty, does bear the AI tag, with the high-scoring stories of another author who doesn't admit to using AI. They're so similar there's no doubt in my mind that they are both using the same AI.
So it's a bit wild west out there, with some AI stories getting labelled but others not. And the quality varies enormously, so the score is probably more useful than the AI tag.
AJ
I'd like to be able to block all the A.I. stories, but I already brought it up to Laz and the idea was rejected.
There's a state park in Arkansas where for a fee, you can sift thru soil and sometimes find a diamond.
It's a popular attraction.
Would it be as popular if you had to sift thru a septic tank instead?
There's a state park in Arkansas where for a fee, you can sift thru soil and sometimes find a diamond.
It's a popular attraction.
I was watching a Youtube video about that place just the other day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT-MTBJdObA
A family found a 3 carrot brown diamond.
You can get white carrots and purple carrots now as well as orange. Can you get white and purple diamonds? :-)
AJ
You can get white carrots and purple carrots now as well as orange.
Now? Carrots were originally mostly purple (black and white existed too). The orange carrots we know today are a hybrid supposedly created by the Dutch in the 17th Century.
https://www.foodliteracycenter.org/broccoli-beet-year/multi-colored-history-carrots
Carrots were originally mostly purple
Allegedly they're richer in anthocyanins than orange and white carrots. I have no idea about black.
AJ
I suspect any carrot found in a septic tank would be brown...
However, just like the AI stories, it would probably stink.
I am now aware of my inferior spelling when it comes to the difference between diamonds and vegetables. But I'm not going to correct it, as it just mucks up the subsequent replies.