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Remus 🚫

How many accounts are readers allowed here?
I got a complaint about a line in one of my stories a short while back. The guy turned instant asshat when my reply was not to his liking as in refusal to change it.
The euphemism "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" has varied meanings depending on what region you live in. This guy claims to live in Texas, so when I explained it was for the point of origin of the MC he says:

You know what I love about today's world? No one ever says, "oops, I made a mistake" or "oops, I didn't realize that." They just make up some lame, cover-their-ass excuse. Thus doth the language change. The gift horse phrase once had a specific meaning, but through repeated erroneous use, by multiple writers the phrase begins to mean... well... nothing.

Today, I get another complaint about the same line, the wording was almost verbatim of the original complaint. I checked the author pages and don't see him listed. So can readers have more than one account?

JimWar 🚫

@Remus

I don't know by personal experience but I have three active email accounts and there is no reason that I couldn't have three different accounts on here although I'm not sure there is any reason I would want to.

Replies:   REP  Dinsdale
REP 🚫

@JimWar

any reason I would want to.

If someone is not a premier member, they are limited to reading a maximum number of stories (I forget the number). With 3 accounts, they can read 3 times that maximum number of stories.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@REP

If someone is not a premier member, they are limited to reading a maximum number of stories (I forget the number). With 3 accounts, they can read 3 times that maximum number of stories.

IIRC, Lazeez has mentioned in the past that there is a limit on the number of accounts allowed to access SOL from one IP address. I don't recall what the limit is though.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  REP
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

When tailoring my ISP's internet access I was offered a fixed or changing IP Address. Since I had no plans to host websites, I thought an ever-changing IP address might be more secure. I think it's quite funny to see the varying predictions of where I live each day depending on the IP Address I've been allocated.

I wonder whether Lazeez's system can cope with constantly changing IP Addresses.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

I wonder whether Lazeez's system can cope with constantly changing IP Addresses.

Again, IIRC his description was that it checked every time you logged in how many other accounts logged in from that IP that day.

When tailoring my ISP's internet access I was offered a fixed or changing IP Address.

Even without a fixed IP address, with an always on broadband connection like DSL or Cable, your IP address probably doesn't change all that often.

I've discussed this with my ISP (VDSL). It requests an IP something around once a week. The process takes seconds and there is a high probability you get back the same IP you already had.

A genuinely fixed IP is something my ISP charges extra for, but even without paying for the fixed IP, your IP is not going to change that often.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

A genuinely fixed IP is something my ISP charges extra for, but even without paying for the fixed IP, your IP is not going to change that often.

I seem to get a new one each day unless I disconnect from the internet for 15 minutes, which seems to provoke it into providing a new one. As you can imagine, that has proven very useful at times.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I disconnect from the internet for 15 minutes, which seems to provoke it into providing a new one.

IIRC, when I asked about it, I was told I would have to disconnect for a couple of hours to guarantee getting a different IP.

I was also told that my IP lease renews weekly, not daily.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

Different ISP, obviously.

AJ

REP 🚫

@Dominions Son

The number of accounts per IP address really doesn't matter. Households typically have multiple devices that can connect to the internet and log into SOL. Between my wife and I, we have four such devices. Assuming just 2 accounts per device, or 8 accounts, that is a lot of accounts we could create.

Furthermore, different ISPs implement their DHCP protocol differently. For some ISPs, you are assigned the same IP address if you log back into the ISP's server within a specific amount of time. When I log out at night, I am assigned a different IP address when I log in the next morning; that is because I exceeded the time limit my ISP set.

I don't see how Lazeez could determine the number of accounts a person has since the person can create accounts using different devices.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@REP

The number of accounts per IP address really doesn't matter. Households typically have multiple devices that can connect to the internet and log into SOL.

Most broadband connections use just one IP for the connection with local NAT to handle multiple devices. The connection IP is the one SOL would see for every device.

The only exception to this is mobile devices with their own cellular connection.

Replies:   REP  Grey Wolf
REP 🚫

@Dominions Son

My wife has an IPad and cell phone. I have a phone and my desktop computer. Each has a different IP address. We can contact SOL from any of the four IP addresses.

We could be signed on simultaneously from the four devices using four different member ids. Each of those IP addresses could have multiple accounts associated with it.

The IP address SOL responds to must be the device's IP address not the Broadband address or no response would ever get back to the device. The SOL response message would include all the IP addresses of the routers necessary to route the message over the internet including my Broadband connection.

Replies:   helmut_meukel
helmut_meukel 🚫

@REP

The IP address SOL responds to must be the device's IP address not the Broadband address or no response would ever get back to the device. The SOL response message would include all the IP addresses of the routers necessary to route the message over the internet including my Broadband connection

Not necessarily.
To save IPv4 addresses, my ISP allocates one IP address to my cable router. All my devices connected to the cable router use internal IP addresses mapped by the router to the same external IP address. Nobody outside knows of this internal IP address, which is one of a range dedicated to local (=internal) use and could be used by thousands of devices worldwide.

HM.

Replies:   Dinsdale  REP
Dinsdale 🚫

@helmut_meukel

which is one of a range dedicated to local (=internal) use

Presumably 192.168.x.y, it's a long time since I saw 10.x.y.z used that way.

REP 🚫

@helmut_meukel

Yes, your computer's assigned an internal IP address by your router.

That address had to be included in the message sent to SOL in order for SOL's reply to reach your computer. If it wasn't when the reply reached your router, the router would not have known which of the devices on your private network should receive the message.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@REP

That address had to be included in the message sent to SOL in order for SOL's

Those addresses are only unique with in the given local network. They are not unique globally. SOL might be able to see them, but probably can't actually use them for anything meaningful.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Dominions Son

Internal network IP address behind the router cannot be seen by the servers. SOL's servers can only the public IP address, whether that is a static IP address assigned to the computer/server, or the router IP address or the ISP's IP address if the ISP is using carrier level NATing.

Grey Wolf 🚫

@Dominions Son

Slight (or perhaps not so slight) technical correction to this.

Most broadband connections use just one IPv4 for the connection with local NAT to handle multiple devices.

IPv6, which is finally starting to become fairly common in home deployments, is a completely different beast. It very seldom uses NAT. Instead, customers are assigned a block of IPv6 addresses.

Once the ISP and router both support IPv6, devices will just suddenly start picking up IPv6 addresses and may well start using them.

SOL has an IPv6 address, so it's entirely possible that readers from different devices within a household may connect to SOL from different IPv6 addresses. In fact, the same device might do so; my laptop seems to have six different IPv6 addresses right now, at least three of which are externally routable.

Dinsdale 🚫

@JimWar

I have considered creating a second account, a non-premier (doh!) account so I can see the differences between premier and non-premier membership. What has stopped me so far is that I don't really care that much.

Torsian 🚫

@Remus

My reply to him would be "With the crack and the stopping."

Dominions Son 🚫

@Remus

The euphemism "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" has varied meanings depending on what region you live in. This guy claims to live in Texas, so when I explained it was for the point of origin of the MC he says:

Makes me curious as to how you used it and exactly what he thinks the "original" meaning of the phrase is.

Replies:   Justin Case
Justin Case 🚫

@Dominions Son

Given our modern society's belief that they "have a right to whatever they want" and that it should be delivered "exactly when they want it, and how they want it", this saying is kind of a moot point.

But here is the real meaning…

When you buy a horse, especially "back in the day" before equine dentistry, you have to check the teeth for uneven wear or damage.
A horse that cannot chew and grind its food properly will suffer sickness and malnutrition.
Nobody wants to pay good money for a sickly animal.

A "gift horse" literally meant a FREE horse.

So the saying was basically that you shouldn't scrutinize "free stuff" too closely, and just be thankful that it is being given to you.

I know…
A lost concept in todays world (and the world of SOL it seems) BUT, it is still good advice.

"Free stuff" CAN be eliminated if you criticize the giver or the stuff too much.

Pixy 🚫

@Remus

Who knows what another human is going to do... Or why they do it...

Not long ago, I made a post about an overly demanding reader from one of the sister/brother sites, here on this forum. They were not happy with my reply and said so. Fair enough, that was their opinion and I left it at that.

Well, did they not only go and re-message me the other day with the exact same message they had originally messaged me with...

Now, 'evil' me wants to reply (troll) with the exact same message I sent last time, while 'good' me wants to be polite and helpful with my reply, whilst 'indifferent' me says just to ignore them... Oh, decisions, decisions...

richardshagrin 🚫

@Pixy

ignore

"Who said if ignorance is bliss?

poet Thomas Gray
The 18th century poet Thomas Gray is responsible for the often-quoted phrase: Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."

So if the person is an aunt, ignore them. Ignore aunts is bliss.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Pixy

whilst 'indifferent' me says just to ignore them

That's the correct 'me'.

Don't feed trolls and they go away.

Remus 🚫

@Pixy

For the moment, I'm going with the ignore option.

Justin Case 🚫

@Remus

I usually just check the name of the commenter against the list of authors.

Comments and suggestions from Writers with posted/published works are given great consideration and weight.

Those who only make negative comments, but never posted a single sentence of their own… not so much.
Just toddlers complaining about the vegetables on their plate.

I learned a while back that some folks also like to pretend they know a lot about something.
Lots of "experts" on the interweb these days.
(Usually tiktok'ers)

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