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gridiron2393

Is Deja Vu the longest story on this site?

gridiron2393

also does anyone have a link to the story, I'm trying to find it and can't. Deja Vu ascendiary or something like that

Replies:   jhnmakii
jhnmakii

@gridiron2393

its ascendancy. here's the link, http://storiesonline.net/s/57098/deja-vu-ascendancy

Found something much longer than this though,

http://storiesonline.net/s/52707/six-times-a-day

Replies:   Switch Blayde
gridiron2393

damn, always sucks when a story has incest.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@gridiron2393

damn, always sucks when a story has incest.

That's the whole draw. An incest story without sucking is just ... yucky! 'D

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Crumbly Writer

suck·er

[ˈsəkər]

NOUN
1. a person or thing that sucks, in particular.
2. informal a gullible or easily deceived person.
3. N. AMER. informal a thing or person not specified by name:
"he's one strong sucker"
4. botany a shoot springing from the base of a tree or other plant, especially one arising from the root below ground level at some distance from the main stem or trunk.

VERB
1. botany (of a plant) produce suckers:
"it spread rapidly after being left undisturbed to sucker"
N. AMER. informal fool or trick (someone):
"they got suckered into accepting responsibility"

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He's just a con artist looking for another sucker. That kid is a mean little sucker.

In addition to the above definitions, its also a piece of hard candy on a stick,

And then there is succor.

Switch Blayde

@jhnmakii

Found something much longer than this though,


If you take out all the redundancy in "Six Times a Day" it is quite a short story.

Replies:   jhnmakii  Bondi Beach
jhnmakii

@Switch Blayde

Same could be said for ascendancy, then again, this isn't a professional site where you expect every work to be professionally edited.

Bondi Beach

@Switch Blayde

If you take out all the redundancy in "Six Times a Day" it is quite a short story.


I guess "Once a Day" didn't sound as interesting.

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Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin
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@Bondi Beach

Once a year could be a good story, if today were the day.

jr88

I don't think that Six Times a Day is longer than Deja Vu Ascendancy. It is larger, but it also has a bunch of embedded images. STaD is 153 chapters to DVA's 435 chapters.

Replies:   John Demille
John Demille

@jr88

It is larger, but it also has a bunch of embedded images.


The size number on SOL doesn't include pictures. Six times a day is indeed the longest single story on SOL currently.

gridiron2393

Always fun chatting with authors. I suck (har-de-har-har) at writing English due to my autism but I read at a blistering rate. I've gotten to the point where I'm reading stories again because nothing is left. I decided to try a different tactic and find the longest story. But I won't read stories with incest, it grosses me out, since I have a sister.

Bondi Beach
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@gridiron2393


But I won't read stories with incest, it grosses me out, since I have a sister.


We all have squicks, and they aren't really negotiable---mine aren't, anyway---but I've written several stories with sibling incest and my actual real-life sister doesn't appear in any of them. My actual real-life brother doesn't appear, either.

(But then any author of incest tales worth his salt would say *of course* the characters have nothing to do with his parents, siblings, children, or dog, wouldn't he? Or she?)

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Replies:   Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

@gridiron2393

So that's the Christian Bible and books on European history ruled out :)

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Crumbly Writer

@Bondi Beach

We all have squicks, and they aren't really negotiable---mine aren't, anyway---but I've written several stories with sibling incest and my actual real-life sister doesn't appear in any of them. My actual real-life brother doesn't appear, either.

In my case, I like the idea of 'pseudo-incest' stories, where siblings wrestle with attractions based on their not being who they think they are. In my "Catalyst" series, the characters were reincarnated former lovers, and in my newest story, my "Not-Quite Human" series, the characters are ... well, 'Not-Quite Human'.

Another attraction to incest stories isn't the actual incest, but the idea of the forbidden. I don't think many people see their relatives when they read these stories, instead they see Romeo and Juliette styled star-crossed lovers. In a world where racial or cultural divides no longer separate people, many authors are searching for new forbidden romances.

I doubt that will convince many skeptics, but I suspect it accounts for many fans of incest stories who don't lust after their parents/siblings/kids/grandparents.

ustourist

@Crumbly Writer

The appeal may be greater than most people would expect, as it is noticeable that over the last 4-5 years the number of porn movies that are supposedly incest based has increased substantially. I would expect the makers jump on popular bandwagons to sell product, so the demand is obviously out there and though they mostly seem to emanate from Russia, I can't see the interest in incest being specific to that country as they are aimed at English language distribution.

As for people not 'seeing their relatives' when reading that sort of story, the jokes about interbreeding in the mid-west and west do seem to have some basis in reality, so maybe there is also a fairly large section who do relate to it on that level, as well as those who find it abhorrent.

Switch Blayde

@awnlee jawking

So that's the Christian Bible and books on European history ruled out :)


The Old Testament too.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach

@Switch Blayde

The Old Testament too.


I know, dammit. They carefully didn't teach us the good stories in Sunday school.

I mean, that thing about how everyone but Lot was damned because Lot refused to give up the "male" angels (if angels have gender) for so-called unnatural acts is all well and good, but somehow the story neatly skips over Lot's offer of his virgin daughters in place of the angels ...

Good thing the crowd refused, too, or his daughters would never have gotten the whole repopulation thing going again with old Dad.

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Bondi Beach

@Crumbly Writer

In my case, I like the idea of 'pseudo-incest' stories, where siblings wrestle with attractions based on their not being who they think they are.


I just trashed a collection of stories because (a) they were oh-so-careful to make it clear daughter was getting it on with *step-*dad, which is oh-so-boring. Sorry, step-dad isn't incest and to the extent incest depends on the attraction of the forbidden, it doesn't work; and (b) similarly, they were oh-so-careful to make it clear everyone was over 18, and (c) although they were competently edited and free of errors they were, in a word, boring. Juiceless. Formulaic.

In other words, the same criticisms of much SOL writing, except that these were professionally done. But professional and error-free doesn't equal interesting.

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Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Joe_Bondi_Beach

@Crumbly Writer


Another attraction to incest stories isn't the actual incest, but the idea of the forbidden.


And the strength and quality of the story depends more on the effect of the forbidden on the protagonist and others, not the actual act itself. (Which, of course, you could say about any act made into a story, but it's still true.)


I doubt that will convince many skeptics, but I suspect it accounts for many fans of incest stories who don't lust after their parents/siblings/kids/grandparents.


There's no way to prove a negative, but while I can't articulate all the sources for "Samantha" in my "Summer Heat" stories, "Chloe" in "Holidays" or "Lisa" in "Cheerleaders," etc., etc. none of the threads I can identify are my sister, parents, daughters or cats.

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Crumbly Writer

@Bondi Beach

I just trashed a collection of stories because (a) they were oh-so-careful to make it clear daughter was getting it on with *step-*dad, which is oh-so-boring. Sorry, step-dad isn't incest and to the extent incest depends on the attraction of the forbidden, it doesn't work; and (b) similarly, they were oh-so-careful to make it clear everyone was over 18, and (c) although they were competently edited and free of errors they were, in a word, boring. Juiceless. Formulaic.

That's fairly common, throwing out a story without any clear conflicts where you can guess how the story will end by mid-way through the very first chapter.

The other detail I hate, is where the protagonist discovers that everyone is having incest. That completely robs the story of ANY forbidden pleasure and makes it a why don't we all jump on the bandwagon group sing-along.

I don't want to read how 'non-special' incest is. I want to read about the few instances where it might work out, rather than the hundreds of thousands where it doesn't!

Replies:   Bondi Beach
jhnmakii2nd

I have a question to those who read far into the de ja vu story or those who have finished it.

As much as i love personal power/wealth. I find excitement in the process of building your own empire w/ his own personal army.

Does he ever attempt to do so?

Replies:   madnige
madnige
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@jhnmakii2nd

He grows to the point of not needing little things like armies or empires, but could easily have them if he wants. The exponential growth rate means that the final changes happen so rapidly that there is no external conflict as there is no time for it to develop before he has powers enough to render any conflict moot.

ETA: During his growth (well before his ultimate powers) he does take on the US military and wins. More than once. Singlehanded.

Replies:   jhncanson
jhncanson

@madnige

I want to continue reading ascendancy but i noticed the book names and it seems to me the story focuses 50% romance and the other 50% saving the day.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@jhncanson

I want to continue reading ascendancy but i noticed the book names and it seems to me the story focuses 50% romance and the other 50% saving the day.

Hey, some people think 'saving the day' is pretty damn romantic. 'D

Replies:   jhnmakii
jhnmakii
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@Crumbly Writer

It was like a rollercoaster for me.

I was high from the explanations and discoveries and how he was experimenting with his abilities then brought down to the normalcy of a cheesy rom-com for the next 4-5 chapters.

Then i guess when i look at the name of the books, it's 50/50, merging of his soul and girls.

Idk, its probably me looking for a quick good read and ascendancy is a long story so i'll get to it when i'm not rushing things.

Bondi Beach
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@Crumbly Writer


I don't want to read how 'non-special' incest is. I want to read about the few instances where it might work out, rather than the hundreds of thousands where it doesn't!


No question the real interest is in how it affects the characters---duh---rather than who does what with whom. Probably mildly (key word) more realistic or probable between siblings, but who knows?

Despite what I said about the sibling angle, jackieoh, in her "My Mother" series (http://storiesonline.net/series/944/the-my-mother-series) did an excellent job, especially with the first story where everything is prospective, in a mother-son relationship.

Holly Rennick's sibling stories (http://storiesonline.net/a/Holly_Rennick) are excellent.

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