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Long stories with drama or conflict?

mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

I've been reading various different long stories and very little emotional turmoil takes place. I've read Variations on a Theme, Double Take, and a bit of Country Boy, City Girl along with almost all of Jay Cantrell's stories. In all but Jay's stories there seems to be very little drama, the stories focus on the sex and nothing really happens beyond that. There's no uncertainty, no doubt, as to who will fuck who, nor are there any breakups or hurt feelings (for longer than one chapter). I've been told that drama was coming in Country Boy, City Girl but I became bored by the story before I could reach it.
I am not asking for a story where everything ends horribly but rather something where the couple or poly relationship needs to overcome divisiveness or controversy or anger.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Would I be right in that what you're after is drama within the relationship and not drama or action with those outside of the relationship?

If the earlier then the Stupid Boy series and the Defenceman series would be what you're after.

https://storiesonline.net/series/1080/stupid-boy

https://storiesonline.net/s/59488/the-defenceman

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

You are correct, I don't want the main character's relationships to go smoothly without any turmoil. Unfortunately Stupid Boy suffers from having a character who is too perfect in his football career and somehow one of his "girlfriends" is a perfect publicist at 16. I stopped reading at that point. I expect the characters to have flaws and not be perfect lovers at 15 years old able to bed anyone they desire. I did like the MC's relationship with his best friend.

I really liked the defenceman story but stopped reading it when I saw that it was one of three and the third story was unfinished and unlikely to ever be completed. I hate not knowing the end of a story.

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Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

one of his "girlfriends" is a perfect publicist at 16

While I agree there are a lot of Mary Sue characters in the story and it's pure escapist, I disagree with this comment on being a publicists. The role she plays in handling PR events is one that's mostly being able to read people and react accordingly which is more often a personal quality than a trained skill, and someone with that ability can exercise it at 15 or 16.

I started full-time work at 16 after over 3 years of part-time work, and I met a lot of other 16 y/o workers who were very competent in many types of work.

Radagast ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Long form stories with lots of relationship drama? Try Daniel Q Steele.
https://storiesonline.net/a/Daniel_Q_Steele
Premium only. His multi novel story "When we where married" is available elsewhere.

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Radagast

Thank you, I paid for premium this month. Decided I was spending too much time here to not support the site at least every once in awhile.

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

If you want relationship drama, I've been accused, on occasion, of too much drama.

A Well-Lived Life (Universe)

About 12 million words. And continuing...

Nizzgrrl ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

I just posted this list in answer to another Recommendation request. Most of this might fit your request too. This is from the SOL Collections file on the home page. It will link to the series if you have difficulty searching for the author or the title.

Aroslav "Erotic Paranormal Romance Western Adventure"

Aroslav "The Transmogrification of Jacob Hopkins"

Dark Vision "The Lottery" series
Doug Fox "Life in Paradise"
Dual Writer "Oh Boy"
Heatheranne "Huge"
Invid Fan "Bells Across the Universe"
Jay Cantrell "Brock Miller" series
JimC "Lucky Tickets"
Latikia "Ike Blacktower"
Michael Loucks - "Well-Lived Life"
Wizard "The Trailer Park" part of "RWynter/Trailer Park" by Russell Hoisington
Old Fart "Jack & Jill"
Reluctant Sir "Dark Days"
Ryan Sylander "Hook, Pick and Lens"
SmokinDriver "Hindsight 20/20"

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ
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@Nizzgrrl

Thank you!

I am excited by your list as I have read Jay Cantrell's "Brock Miller" series and am more than half way through Aroslav's Jacob Hopkins series. If the rest of these are similar then I will be happily reading for awhile.

LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

It's a series of stories, but you might like Invid Fan's Nowy Poland series.

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@LonelyDad

I will take a look. Thank you!

steeltiger ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Argon: Anthony Carter universe, Clearwater universe
https://storiesonline.net/universe/102/anthony-carter
https://storiesonline.net/universe/773/clearwater

TedBiker:
Series:
https://storiesonline.net/series/1406/delilah (average guy inherits from his uncle)
https://storiesonline.net/series/823/jenni (must enjoy sailing)
https://storiesonline.net/series/1194/devastation-diaries (dystopia post-war future)

Jay Cantrell stories:
https://storiesonline.net/s/11098/lifeline-drama-story
https://storiesonline.net/s/62343/finding-shelter
https://storiesonline.net/s/57238/the-outsider
https://storiesonline.net/s/73779/a-flawed-diamond
https://storiesonline.net/s/15372/learning-curves
https://storiesonline.net/s/13709/runaway-train

QHML1
https://storiesonline.net/s/10321/boston-to-birmingham-romantic-story
https://storiesonline.net/s/20773/ask-me-again-in-twenty
https://storiesonline.net/s/11002/the-bitch-is-cheating-on-us
https://storiesonline.net/s/21388/culture-clash
https://storiesonline.net/s/10665/gonna-sell-the-bitchs-car-fiction-sex-story
https://storiesonline.net/s/10499/i-thought-she-made-you-up-romantic-love-story

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@steeltiger

Thank you!
I've read Argon's clearwater universe but not the Carter as I am not a huge fan of historical fiction.

I will take a look at Tedbiker, feel like I might have read something by him.

I've read a lot of Jay Cantrell, basically everything you listed. I am frustrated that the third book in the Regan Riley and Andy Drayton series doesn't seem to be forthcoming.

I will take a look at the QHML1 stories you recommended.

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steeltiger ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Everyone is waiting (more-or-less patiently) for book 3 or Regan & Andy. Jay has has an unusually bad few years & posted somewhere in these forums that he was starting to write again.

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@steeltiger

I am very sympathetic about someone having a bad year or several, I've had bad years or three myself. However, he last posted on Patreon and his blog (last time I looked) in December of 2020. If he was planning to come back it would be best to communicate effectively on a consistent basis.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Some of the stories on here are so long I am afraid to start reading them. I might die before they're finished.

No point in having two disappointments in one day.

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

LOL, Yeah. I am leery of anything that is ongoing since it seems authors will disappear. Jay Cantrell hasn't been around since December of last year. I can only hope he returns to writing.

There are long completed stories that I skim through because the stories follow the same format of telling day to day activities without a lot of variation.

The sweet spot is a story with a few chapters (~20) that is only one book.

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JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Since chapters vary in length, what would be the sweet spot for you in terms of total number of words?

mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

50,000 to 200,000 is my sweet spot. The Clearwater Universe stories are 40k to 100k, rarely I will read more than 200k like the Jay Cantrell stories Learning Curve or Flawed Diamond or Aroslav's Transmogrification of Jacob Hopkins. But I have to be really invested in the characters.

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JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Thanks!

AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

Since chapters vary in length, what would be the sweet spot for you in terms of total number of words?

Two of the longest chapters I am aware of are over 111,000 words each. One is a 'single chapter' story that is part of a series, while the other one is part of a much longer story.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

I believe the two leads in Don Lockwood's 'Dance of a Lifetime' have some drama in their relationship.

AJ

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I think what I am trying to avoid is the inevitability of the relationships in these stories. I want to see stories where there is a genuine uncertainty as to whether two characters end up together. Where they have to overcome problems that break them up for longer than a paragraph or chapter.

Dance of a Lifetime I gave up on shortly after the swinging/swapping scene. I didn't have a problem with that scene but more how it didn't seem to fit the male MC at all. He gets upset for a couple paragraphs and then it's done. It felt like a sex scene for the sake of a sex scene instead of building up to it.

LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

The Banzai Ben stories by Banzai Ben have both drama and conflict. The drama is if Banzai and Jen are ever able to work things out so they can get married, and the conflict is the ongoing problems they are having with the Taliban

https://storiesonline.net/a/Banzai_Ben.

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@LonelyDad

Thank you, unfortunately it looks like the author never completed the series and I hate not knowing the end.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

I'll second Michael Loucks pointer to his own A Well Lived Life; there's quite a lot of relationship drama (and well done, too).

For my own story (Variation On A Theme), I'd say that it's not all that focused on the sex (in my opinion), and there's a certain amount of drama (but not a ton). I certainly get some uncertain readers... and there's one particular relationship that is nothing but drama, in a way.

That said: there will BE drama and conflict. It has to come from somewhere and I've been weaving things together to create places. Will it be good? I have no idea; I'm happier when my characters are happy, but it is on its way (both later in Book 2, in non-relationship terms, and in Book 3 and 4 at least in relationship terms).

It's never going to be a story that appeals to people who really want the drama to be the point. The sorts of relationship mistakes my MC is prone to aren't so likely to lead to major drama. But - more.

Another recommendation: there's quite a lot of relationship drama in Bluedragon's Ordinary Sex Life series. Quite a lot. And a lot of sex. Quite a lot.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

Bluedragon's Ordinary Sex Life

Consider also 'The Big Tits Club'. Quite a lot of relationship drama in that one. And a very high sex content - an actual piece of erotica IMO.

AJ

mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

I'm enjoying your VoaT overall, don't really like Jasmine but that's because I found Steve's relationships with Candace and Nancy had more depth of emotion. I was really caught up in the turmoil of Candace's decisions and the bittersweet end to the relationship with Nancy. The situation with Jasmine feels like a way to get Steve to fuck a lot of girls. It doesn't come off as being as emotional a relationship, especially with how quickly they both professed their love to each other. For an older man in a young man's body Steve really falls in love fast.

Not necessarily looking for stories with a lot of turmoil but rather looking for relationships where there is miscommunication, hurt feelings, a need to make up for those things, and then breakups that are mutual or sometimes completely one sided, even cheating perhaps. I just get tired of how smoothly everything goes in a lot of these stories. So many have a perfect main character who never does anything wrong, the wrong is always done to them.

Rev_Cotton_Mather ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Isn't there a 3-book series about a soccer kid that kind of fits what he is looking for? The name and author escapes me, though...

redthumb ๐Ÿšซ

@Rev_Cotton_Mather

Yes, Author is Rev. Cotton Mather, titles are Playing the Game, Playing to Win: Playing the Game II and The Competitive Edge: Playing the Game III.

mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Rev_Cotton_Mather

So emotional turmoil, relationships end, hearts are broken? It's not wall to wall sex?

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Rev_Cotton_Mather ๐Ÿšซ

@mrfriendly8181

Correct. I tried to make the sex scenes an integral part of the overall arc of the story. I think I mostly succeeded.

RCM

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mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Rev_Cotton_Mather

Sounds good, there are some stories where the chapters are just sex and some people don't write them well. Not that I've ever attempted to write one. LOL

mrfriendly8181 ๐Ÿšซ

@Rev_Cotton_Mather

Finished your series, happy to see the MC get the girl. Where's your next epic story of love, heartbreak, and loss? I want more!

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