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bk69 🚫

In the forum, would it be possible to un-hide what's behind the quoting mechanism?

Presumably, each comment has a unique ID value that isn't shown. However, if I quote something posted by, say, REP, all that shows up in the edit box is the quote tags, @REP, and the quoted text.
I get that allowing luser-inputted URLs to identify the quoted message would be a BadThingβ„’ but if just the ID field of the quoted message was shown, it would then be possible to do things like quote and attribute multiple comments in the same post.

It's not super important, and likely wouldn't be useful for many posts, but it would be nice to have on occasion. So, if it would be as easy to implement as I would think it'd be much appreciated. If there's something I'm overlooking that would make it a PITA, don't waste your time.

Replies:   Keet  joyR  madnige
Keet 🚫

@bk69

The @REP is a link to the post you are commenting to. If you click it you are jumped to that post. The link also has the id number of the post (po[number]). I'm not sure what you would have beyond that or I am misunderstanding your request.
(If you select the text in the post you want to comment on that selected text is automatically quoted in your new comment post.)

Replies:   Dominions Son  bk69
Dominions Son 🚫

@Keet

It's not super important, and likely wouldn't be useful for many posts,

But it's possible to quote text from one post while replying to another.

And sever people here are in the habit of using one post to reply to several other posts.

Replies:   bk69  REP
bk69 🚫

@Dominions Son

But it's possible to quote text from one post while replying to another.

Yes. Just not to show the source of the quote. Not that I'm saying anyone would make up a quote and attribute it to someone who didn't actually originate the comment... but someone would make up a quote and attribute it to someone who didn't actually originate the comment... eventually. (Yes, the source could always ninja edit the comment quoted to disappear the quoted portion, but...)

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫
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@bk69

Just not to show the source of the quote.

At the top right of each post is the date and time. If each post was numbered, the person quoting from a post (via copy/paste and using the "Quote" to shade it) could refer to that number (like a footnote).

And even better, if a convention was established, say to have some symbol (like a #) before the number, the system would know to take you to that post if you click on it. Like if you click on the user name it takes you to the post that was being referenced. So if you click on the #21 it will take you to the 21st post.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 🚫

@Switch Blayde

If each post was numbered,

That's the thing. They are. We just don't get those 'numbers' (or unique IDs). Those IDs are how the system points the quote link at whatever post you quoted. I want to have access to those IDs so I can point back at some previous post to help prove a point, or condense multiple references into a single comment or whatnot.

Like I said, it's not something that would even frequently be needed, but if it's as simple to implement as it should be, I could see it being very handy in a handful of cases.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@bk69

Those IDs are how the system points the quote link at whatever post you quoted.

FWIW, you get to see those numbers when using the 'Forum Search' facility. From the search results, you can click on the one you want and you're taken to the exact post.

It's a shame the story search facility doesn't provide similar granularity. If you search for a given string, the story containing it is returned but with no indication exactly where within the story the string occurs. For something like 'Arlene and Jeff', I assume the only shortcut is to download the whole story in text format then using a text editor/word processor to find the string.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I assume the only shortcut is to download the whole story in text format then using a text editor/word processor to find the string.

It's not the only shortcut, but it's probably the fastest, at least in terms of the search within the story.

Most browsers have a find text on page function.

REP 🚫

@Dominions Son

But it's possible to quote text from one post while replying to another.

Your post is a perfect example. :)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@REP

Your post is a perfect example. :)

I did that deliberately as an illustration.

Replies:   REP
REP 🚫

@Dominions Son

That crossed my mind.

bk69 🚫

@Keet

The @REP is a link to the post you are commenting to.

Correct. However, what I can edit doesn't include which particular post that is. So if REP had two different posts that I want to reply to in one post (possibly to illustrate where he'd contradicted himself, or to show where something said was at least ambiguous) I can't currently do that.

Now, presumably there's a hidden URL that includes some targeting data within the page (that is to say, along the lines of 'https://storiesonline.net/d/wtf?comment=133780085') that is not possible to edit. So if the editor used something like "{quote=133780085}..." then it would be possible to have multiple reference tags (to the sources of the quotes) in a single post.

joyR 🚫

@bk69

it would then be possible to do things like quote and attribute multiple comments in the same post.

I might be having a blonde moment, but I seem to recall the ability to reply to several posts in one was an option some time ago. Presumably Lazeez removed it for a good reason.

Replies:   Gauthier
Gauthier 🚫
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@joyR

I might be having a blonde moment

I do not remember it ever being present.

@Dominion Son

FWIW, you get to see those numbers when using the 'Forum Search' facility. From the search results, you can click on the one you want and you're taken to the exact post.

you also can get the id by rolling over the reply button the last argument is the post number just prefix it with "po"

You can also get the id with the browser inspector for exemple ctrl+shift+i in chrome

So if you really want to do it, it's already possible...

Lazeez could modify the allowed links regexp to allow link starting with # additionally to http:// and https://

That way, you could add a internal post link by typing #poxxxxxxx in the link.

A potential problem with my method (absolute url) is that it may hit an older cached version of the thread, or it may force an unnecessary page reload.

madnige 🚫
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@bk69

HOW TO DO THIS

As Keet noted, the @___ link at the top of reply postings is a link to the posting which was replied to; just right-click and [copy link location]. As Gauthier noted, the grey replies line at the bottom of a post are similar links to the replies themselves.

You can manually copy-paste text into your reply from another post, then select it and hit the [Quote] button to offset it on grey.

You can type in the @___ link name, then select it and click the [link] button then paste the link URL you got earlier. You can't get the same font as the true links, as can be seen in Gauthier's post. If it's the first post you want a link to, you can use the up-arrow [top] link for the URL.

To get a link to another posting (one which was posted with the [Reply to topic] link at the bottom of the page), the easiest thing to do is to generate a reply (no need for any content), refresh to get the reply on screen, copy the link URL, then delete the just-generated empty reply. If you do this, you'll need to have the reply you're building copied elsewhere first (doing the refresh will discard your partially-built reply); easiest for that is open the thread in another tab to grab the URL (right click on the up arrow, then [open in a new tab]). Another way is to use one of the above methods on an arbitrary post, then edit the post number in the link in your reply (the #po123456 number). To find the post number for any post, click-and-drag from the middle of the post author name up slightly, then right-click on the highlighted part of the author name and [view selection source]; in the source there should be a highlighted line like

< div class="post-wrap" id="pd125355">< a id="po125355">< /a>

You can use these techniques to add links to other threads as well, if you need to tie in from somewhere else (e.g., like this).

ETA: the < a id="xxxxx"> is standard HTML to identify a location on a webpage, and the trailing #xxxxx on a link is standard to go to that location.

Replies:   Keet
Keet 🚫
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@madnige

You can't get the same font as the true links, as can be seen in Gauthier's post.

The 'true' link uses the < small > markup tag around the < b > tag. The < small > tags are removed if you try to use them (I tried), that's why you can't get the same layout. It would have been nice if the < small > and < big > tags were not removed since they are just standard HTML font style elements like < i > and < b >. What few know is that < small > and < big > can be nested which is probably the reason why Lazeez doesn't allow them.

bk69 🚫

madnige allegedly wrote:

HOW TO DO THIS

just testing

awnlee jawking 🚫

I think it should be pointed out that the forum is not the raison d'etre of SOL, and any potential enhancements would be way down the management's 'To Do' list.

If I were Lazeez, I think I would be wishing people spent more time writing stories and less time writing essay-length posts to the forum.

AJ

Replies:   Keet
Keet 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I think it should be pointed out that the forum is not the raison d'etre of SOL, and any potential enhancements would be way down the management's 'To Do' list.

I think you underestimate the importance of community building. Without the forum there would be no interaction between authors and authors with readers. A strong community keeps people from wandering away.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Keet

Without the forum there would be no interaction between authors and authors with readers.

As an author, I find that a very strange opinion. Virtually all the valuable interactions I have with readers are via story comments and SOL messaging.

Despite all the hollerin' and shoutin', there are very few contributors to the forum and their views can hardly claim to be representative. As others have pointed out, there's a lot of misogyny here (using the broader sense of deprecating women rather than hating them) and they're probably (hopefully!) under-represented relative to the general SOL readership population.

AJ

Replies:   Keet  joyR
Keet 🚫

@awnlee jawking

As an author, I find that a very strange opinion. Virtually all the valuable interactions I have with readers are via story comments and SOL messaging.

I forgot about the story comments, I have them switched off because it's mostly readers while the forum is a mixed bunch. I do use SOL messaging but not as much as the forum.

joyR 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Despite all the hollerin' and shoutin', there are very few contributors to the forum and their views can hardly claim to be representative. As others have pointed out, there's a lot of misogyny here

Very true.

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