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Jason Samson 🚫

I usually have three or four new story ideas before I've even got half way through the story I'm working on.

So I figured I could start a thread here in this forum and just keep appending my story ideas. Maybe one day I'll write them, but I have absolutely no worries about any of you taking ideas, unchanged or improved, too :)

So here goes:

Jason Samson 🚫
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@Jason Samson

DO-OVER

I've been toying with a twist on do-over. First off, its not the protagonist whom is doing-over. Second off, this is not so strong on the rags-to-riches; more a mind-bending terminator-ish chase where two young lovers find themselves on the run and becoming stronger by trusting each other.

My idea is that a boy intervenes in some bullying and would have been badly beaten if an older woman hadn't intervened and protected him and also a vulnerable girl. This girl is the typical outcast at school whom he - and everyone else - had previously ignored or bullied.

This woman pops up a few other times too. Its like she's a guardian angel for the girl, and increasingly for the boy too. It's confusing. It seems the woman is pushing them together. They like each other blah blah.

But who is their mysterious guardian woman? And she's a bit scary - would you trust her? - and she seems to be living outside the law. And the girl looks a lot like her...

The threat gets more serious.

Eventually the woman encourages them to elope.

The woman slowly unravels as it becomes difficult to tell if they really are being pursued or if it's all in the woman's head...

She eventually says she is the girl from the future, an awful alternative where the boy died when he confronted her bullies and where the girl went on to have an awful life that spiralled into abusive boyfriends and drug dealers and typical scum life. And somehow she's come back to save the girl and get her the boy she always fancied and a happy ever after.

The woman, coming back, has no id so has been living on robbing and killing all the drug dealers that the girl fell in with her first awful time through. Etc.

Young couple are scared and try to run away from everyone, from the woman too, but find themselves pursued by drug dealers wanting their money back etc.

Of course the guardian woman intervenes and dies saving them one last time. And they discover she has the same scars and marks that the girl has... maybe the woman wasn't mad or bad but really the girl travelling back?

My previous attempt at writing a short drama wasn't so popular so actually following through on this one is kinda daunting for me.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Jason Samson

I've been toying with a twist on do-over. First off, its not the protagonist whom is doing-over.

I actually played with that concept in a story I wrote, "Once Again For The First Time".

In essence, it is told from the point of view of a girl. And in the end the guy she meets reveals he is repeating a single day, like in "Groundhog Day". And in the current string of repeats he has become obsessed with seducing her over and over again.

Jason Samson 🚫

@Jason Samson

South Sea Island

This is an excellent article on some islands in the South Pacific which are really called _The Disappointment Islands_.

This article, along with Robert Louis Stevenson's Island Stories gives me lots of ideas about a backpacker heading there and finding himself falling in love with the place and a suitable girl.

My plot is basically the lowly intern, just finished college and with a mountain of debt, finding the workplace super frustrating. In the openning of the story the protagonist gets so frustrated with management burying his first business report that he throws some scissors at the wall in frustration. Security are called and he has to box up and leave immediately. A sympathetic secretary slips the world map that he skewered with the scissors into the box on the way out.

Getting home he looks at the map and notices a tiny edge of green right where the scissors stabbed it. All the sea on a world map, and he'd hit an island.

Of course its the 119th island in French Polynesia. And so our intrepid out-of-work new-grad decides on a gap year and goes, almost penniless, to the end of the earth on a whim.

Of course as he takes the last ferry to reach the island he meets a beautiful young student travelling from the school on the big island to visit her folks.

Cue discovering a paradise, cue building a Crusoe-style dwelling, cue bliss.

And then he finds footsteps in the sand. Girl Friday. The student girl who has decided to come check up on him.

Cue romance.

And then, for drama, a typhoon approaching etc.

And they just about survive, and admit in the darkest hours when they fear for their lives that they are in love.

Dead romantic.

samsonjas 🚫

@Jason Samson

A CURE FOR HEADACHES

Haven't got much more of an idea than the title: wouldn't life be sweet if an orgasm was a cure for a headache? Perhaps it is, and humankind just hasn't worked it out yet?

Eh, no, it's not; but stories don't have to be true!

All my stories seem to be young boy discovering strong independent clever young girl, so of course I think of storylines like that. Eg boy FP MC arrives at college and starts discovering the other sex now coed and away from home, just as all the other students do too. And somehow becomes friends with a girl he fancies. And then they have a wild night out, and girl has bad headache in the morning. A passing second year wild girl laughs and says that the sure fire cure is an orgasm. Everyone laughs but girl soon slips away and comes back a while later feeling much better. Cue intrigue, did she really try that solution? Etc. eventually girl and boy become closer, and they go out drinking more. Next time boy has hangover and girl is chirpy... after a while, girl drags boy off to cure his headache for him.

A completely different story might be a shallow school story where loose cheerleader at party drags our intrepid virgin MC upstairs and marvels at how she comes down stairs sober. Slowly the cheerleader squad discover and experiment and determine that this boy can magically cure headaches and hangovers and all minor maladies caused by hard partying. Boy becomes much used. Etc.

This title would make a good competition theme?

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REP 🚫

@samsonjas

wouldn't life be sweet if an orgasm was a cure for a headache

Instead of being a cure, try presenting sex as a preventative measure that relieves the stress and other factors that cause the headache. That should be a sellable concept.

Honey_Moon 🚫

@samsonjas

Haven't got much more of an idea than the title: wouldn't life be sweet if an orgasm was a cure for a headache? Perhaps it is, and humankind just hasn't worked it out yet?

There is some medical evidence that this is true. Endorphins are released in the brain at the point of orgasm.

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bk69 🚫

@Honey_Moon

I recall many years ago, researcher claimed that orgasm and opiate use were almost identical in the brain's response. (They screwed up their report by describing orgasms as non-addictive, tho...)

Jason Samson 🚫

CANTERBURY TALES

Everybody has kind of heard of them, some have been forced to study them at school, nobody remembers them.

Actually, they are really rude!

Imagine a group of first year university students sharing a coed. They find themselves sitting around a kitchen table on the first night and one of them shares a bottle of vodka or something. People get steadily drunk and inhibitions drop and then one of them starts telling a wild tale they claim is true. This is the first tale.

Steadily, night by night, they take turns to entertain the others. Each takes a turn to tell their tale.

Of course the group are getting risquΓ© too. It slowly becomes apparent that the new tales are actually accounts of midnight liaisons in the corridor and that these wild things are really happening.

Will our intrepid MC have a tale to tell when it's his turn? Which of the girls will visit him the night before to give him that tale he can tell?

Jason Samson 🚫

@Jason Samson

MEMORY LOSS

(I thought and forwarded this to Aroslav for his Calling All Time Travellers blog-post. I think a variant of it could make a great stand-alone story without any time-travel element)

Protagonist walks into redneck bar and the music stops kinda thing. Pool balls pause mid-roll. Everyone turns. MC goes to bar, finding themselves limping slightly. Looks down and there's a strange heavy tag on their leg; turns out to be a monitoring anklet thing. Everyone toasting MC and joking about it. Sheriff turns up and tells MC off and takes him away to cool off. So MC finds themselves a petty criminal in backcountry and the gang they integrate with is shallow and mostly into drinking too much. MC finds love and slowly the girls notice he is not acting like he used to and they all start sharing their dreams of escaping to the big city. MC buys bus to take them all away. Turns into road-trip, turns into them saying thank-you, turns into them not wanting to get off bus in Hollywood. They vote to drive to East coast instead. Harem on bus.

Jason Samson 🚫

European tour

Lad bumps into group of three American girls doing their grand tour of Europe thing before going to college. Two of the girls are bitchy and unimpressed but the plain Jane third keeps them from completely ignoring him and eventually talks the boy into joining them. Four explore some of Europe.

Of course it could turn into a classic harem.

But my kind of twist would be slowly boy loosing infatuation with the pretty two girls and falling deeply for the plain Jane. And then it turns out that the plane Jane is the rich one. Perhaps the other two, also rich families but not as rich, accuse the boy of being a gold digger and almost succeed in driving a wedge, but true love wins out and two girls slowly come around to what a nice guy he is and it becomes clear they really weren't so horrible after all, they were just looking out for their friend.

Jason Samson 🚫

Pre-apocalypse premath or whatever

My take on the post-apocalyptic story:

New college students introduce themselves to each other in the dorm and make friends etc. One of them tells how his uncle has a stash of stuff at his hunting cabin in case the russians come etc.

This gets them talking about the apocalypse and zombies and everything and the group begins to fixate on it and talks themselves into going to the cabin for some survival training.

The group are woefully unready to rough it etc. Perhaps the prettiest girl is surprisingly clever even though she has high heels etc. Anyway, the group are all alone in the woods...

And then they start believing there really is an apocalypse! Something to make them believe they are suddenly truly alone.

Worryingly, lord of the flies, the boy whose uncle owns the cabin takes over and starts to lead the other boys and turn this into a nightmare. The ringleader fixates on how the girls had joked that they wouldn't fuck him if he was the last man on earth, and it seems he might be prepared to do in all the other boys to make himself the girls only choice...?

Our hero manages to rescue the girls from the other boys, and romance blossoms whilst they are under the pressure of trying to escape back to the civilisation and the world they begin to believe is actually still there.

And the story ends hinting that the apocalypse was all in the head of the boy whose uncle owns the cabin, but the the possibility that it happened is left tantalizingly open...

Jason Samson 🚫

The maid

Perhaps peaking in Victorian times, but in fact right up until WW2, young middle-class and lower-upper-class boys would be sent off to board at small private schools that were basically the house of the school teacher.

In the story, a young boy, perhaps the middle or youngest son of a normal "lord of the manor", i.e. no real prospects of inheriting wealth unless the older son tragically dies, is sent off to such a boarding school.

There, he meets the young scullery maid.

Now, rather than the obvious crud, instead its a delicate tale of how these two teenagers grow to be real friends. The boy teaches the maid to read and write, and whilst the other boarders imagine the boy is using the maid as wouldn't be uncommon, in fact its a true friendship.

When the boy heads off to university he takes the maid with him to be his maid.

Now the boy is in a big town, taking his own lodgings rather than staying in halls, and treating his maid rather too well for her station.

Tragically, his brother dies in battle, a hero. The boy has survivor guilt of a type, but is now small-time wealthy. Has a small income, anyhow. And the young ladies and their scheming mothers start circling.

However, the not so subtle advances of the young socialites trying to 'bag him' make him and the maid realize that they are truly in deep proper soulmate forever love.

They move back to the manor he will inherit, with the maid his legal wife but her unsuitable history hidden from his parents and the society there.

Then a persistent young lady from the university town drops by, one more chance to bag him, and discovers them married and recognizes the maid.

Of course the couple survive this expose and live happily ever after.

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Banadin 🚫

@Jason Samson

Now in the real Victorian world my grandmother was the maid who could read and write. She taught the boy who sold green grocery's from a cart in the alley behind the mansion. They fell in love, got married and lived happy ever after. Well except for a pandemic, two world wars and a depression.

Banadin

Jason Samson 🚫

Homesteading

A sixteen year old boy taking an aimless drive on a rainy day gives a soaked pedestrian a lift. Turns out the jaywalker is a girl from school and she is off to visit an old couple on an old small farm in the hills behind town. The girl is black and deeply suspicious of the white boy, but the boy isn't racist like everyone else seems to be and, slowly, by also helping this old black couple living in the forest, he demonstrates that.

By xmas he is slowly catching up with all the forestry that the old man can no longer do. He brings down a small fir tree as an xmas tree the girl gets the idea that they can sell them. So that is their first idea to help sell farm produce.

Slowly the young teens are helping get the farm working again. Sitting up on the high meadow they talk and discover that they both want to work the farm when they graduate rather than the modern college debt etc that lays ahead these days. They go into partnership.

The girl arranges for them to rent the farm from the old couple, and they set about raising turkeys in time for thanksgiving when they are seventeen.

All this time their friendship and partnership has been hidden from everyone in the town, at school and at home.

But then the boy feels more and more distant from his girlfriend and they split up.

By the time prom comes around, they decide to go together. And they are shocked by the animosity their mixed race causes. Now they are in the dog house.

They decide to move up to the farm they are renting and camp out up there, as the farm is an escape from the town and everything.

Their efforts at farmer markets makes them sustainable but they have no real money. They decide to build a super cheap cabin in the best spot up on the high meadow etc.

Cue lots of discussion about how to farm and how to build a modern day small cabin cheaply. This aspect is actually really interesting (to me).

Then of course the town-folks have their revenge and the couple have to survive the modern day well-hidden racism e.g. being reported for building without a permit, not following code, etc.

The old couple die, and the contract for their lease was worded to give them first-refusal on buying the property, but they struggle to raise the asking price and contemplate debt. Somehow, they manage. And now they pretend to live down in the couple's old squalid but legal hovel, whereas really they are carving the dream homesteading off-grid life higher up the hill etc.

Jason Samson 🚫
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The bleakest future

How do you imagine the future if there isn't some asteroid, nuclear war nor terrorist meltdown?

Set in 2060, the US is split into the "haves" and the "nots". The haves have tech to insulate them from the grim declining world and habitually wear augmented-reality shades that make the trees look healthy and the girls pretty etc.

Everything is okay when they can't see the creeping squalor and who cares to stop burning shale gas when only nots risk losing their homes to the climate change? The world is reverting to feudalism where the nots work for the haves and do menial jobs because why invest in robots when you have cheap labor etc?

In all this a have boy is shown the truth by a not girl. The boy is from the poorer end of the have spectrum and his subscription to SimWorld13 lapses and his visor momentarily shows him the the paint is peeling in the classroom and that his mum has a weight loss subscription that makes here waist appear small to those with visors etc.

His mum is called "Greta", btw; a very popular girls name in the 2030s with the haves, during the time and it was trendy to pay lip service to saving the world they were destroying.

Obviously the boy and girl fall in love etc. There is general shock that a have is dating a not and everyone assumes the girl is trying to trap the boy and there is a lot of anger that the boy won't make the girl sign a pre-date pre-nup, this being a time where there are "date chasing" lawyers who offer to sue on behalf of not girls who don't get a second date etc.

I just haven't worked out how the boy and girl save the planet in the end. One obvious one is that his mum is a scientist with a world correcting machine to clean the atmosphere, and the kids fight through security to turn it on. Another might be that they hack the visor servers to disable them and make the haves confront what they have let the world become. Better ideas?

Jason Samson 🚫

High school bullying

The senior brother is troubled by the verbal bullying his little junior sister is getting from the queen junior bitch. He's not the 'in' crowd himself, and a bit of a loner, and there's not really much he can do though.

He also has the weight of finals on his mind. Desperately calculating that he needs to max his final year grades just to scrape the scholarships he needs to get to university, he sets about trying to find the best possible study partner.

And then, in a school that takes grade privacy as seriously as it does the PDA rules, he inadvertently works out that that the senior year queen, who is more distant than bitchy, is actually, surprisingly, the likely valedictorian!

Cue some attempts to even get to speak to her, and somehow convince her to help him study etc. Not sure how this happens.

And there's the head jock, who tries all the time to get this senior year queen to be his girlfriend etc.

In the end, the senior queen is helping the boy improve his grades just in time, and love quietly blossoms but they both try to suppress it as they are both secretly desperate to do well gradewise.

The head jock, who turns out to not be completely stupid, works it out and they end up admitting to him, and talking him into not torpedoing everything.

By the prom, they decide to go together, and even convince the head jock to take the younger sister.

And so the school graduates, the girl is valedictorian and the boy salutatorian and the tiara for senior year queen is passed not to the nemesis junior year queen bitch but instead to the sister...

So the boy got the hottest and secretly-not-air-headed girl, the sister gets a mutually-infatuated sports scholar and the junior year queen bitch gets her comeuppance. Happy ever after.

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bk69 🚫

@Jason Samson

In the end, the senior queen is helping the boy improve his grades just in time, and love quietly blossoms but they both try to suppress it

So, what's her motivation?

She's hot, she's popular, she doesn't need him. What's in it for her? If he's blackmailing her, it makes sense.

You need suspension of disbelief. Having a character act unexpectedly for no reason breaks that.

awnlee jawking 🚫

Divers idea - sex deep underwater.

Would the extra pressure make sex more fun or less?

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Would the extra pressure make sex more fun or less?

The ultimate form of autoerotic asphyxiation...??

Muff divers do it unregulated. (Todays bumper sticker)

:)

karactr 🚫
Updated:

I do not think sex on regulated (air) would be advisable.

Edited

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Dominions Son 🚫

@karactr

I do not think sex on regulated should be advisable.

Are you referring to regulated air in reference to AJ's question on sex deep under water?

karactr 🚫

Damn. I hate my tablet and my fingers.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@karactr

Damn. I hate my tablet and my fingers.

Okay. That doesn't clarify your earlier comment though.

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karactr 🚫

@Dominions Son

Okay. That doesn't clarify your earlier comment though.

That comment was edited and corrected. :D

Jason Samson 🚫

Do Over - imagines?

A normal do-over starts with some traumatic event, often lightning, a time machine or deathbed discussion with god. This can be really good, or it can be perfunctory, because the meat of the story is what happens after.

Imagine instead how you could have a do over story without such an event. For example:

Protagonist is old and weary, perhaps even on death bed. They start reminiscing, describing big regrets in life, like the first wife or the obviously-up-for-it-in-hindsight girl they didn't leave a party with etc. And then they get around to describing the girl they grew up with that they later learned had a crush on them, and they had never even thought of her that way until it was too late and both had made bad marriage choices etc. The reminiscing focuses in on one of the pivotal moments when the girl was hinting at her infatuation to the clueless boy etc.

Only suddenly the story changes. The boy is doing it over and making the mature choices this time around! History is changing.

All through the story the characters passing though get a commentary about how they ended up etc. But slowly history is changing, and now the boy and girl are together and love is blossoming and the boy doesn't regret not following that other girl home from the party and tying into other memories and bad choices mentioned earlier.

By the end of the story it's really blurred if this is all in the MC's head or if they have rewritten history etc. And then at the very end the girl checks up, asks if MC is feeling better etc, and it's ambiguous if the actual life followed the first or the second narrative.

So

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Dominions Son 🚫

@Jason Samson

By the end of the story it's really blurred if this is all in the MC's head or if they have rewritten history etc. And then at the very end the girl checks up, asks if MC is feeling better etc, and it's ambiguous if the actual life followed the first or the second narrative.

So, pull a Bob Newheart?

richardshagrin 🚫

I can't remember any DoOver stories set in Dover, or near the White Cliffs of Dover. Most of the stories are set in the USA. Not sure why you have to be an American to have it happen to you.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Mushroom  bk69
awnlee jawking 🚫

@richardshagrin

I can't remember any DoOver stories set in Dover

A story by someone reliving their life as a sex worker would be a ho-over and it would suck.

AJ

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joyR 🚫

@awnlee jawking

A story by someone reliving their life as a sex worker would be a ho-over and it would suck.

If your ho-over sucks, your fan blades are reversed, so it won't lift its skirts...

:)

Mushroom 🚫

@richardshagrin

I can't remember any DoOver stories set in Dover, or near the White Cliffs of Dover. Most of the stories are set in the USA. Not sure why you have to be an American to have it happen to you.

I think that when an author is writing a contemporary story, we tend to set it in a location we are familiar with. That way we can get important aspects and include them, and not look out of place because we are familiar with the setting. Otherwise, a story set in say Canada by somebody that had never been there would look pretty silly, eh?

Myself, I have a bit of an advantage because I have lived in so many different places. Idaho, Northern and Southern California, North Carolina, Oregon, Texas, Alabama, Japan, and more. I can add little things about these regions, which other locals to them will be able to pick up and realize I am at least trying to be accurate in the setting.

Other times though, when the setting is not important at all I tend to either completely fabricate a setting.
Compass City in Bohica for example is a fictional town. Of course, it is also a superhero story, with the city in the DC style. A large metro on a sea port river. That can be Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, or a great many other cities ranging from Sacramento to Portland.

In another, I just threw in enough information to import it is a region, exact location is not important. In one, I threw in things like calling a soda "pop", to import it is the midwest. And that the TV had knobs and old styles of furniture to imply it was the 1970s. But all without saying so.

Myself, I would like to see more stories given a "local flavoring". Imagine trying to read a Stephen King story that he had not set in Maine. And I know he has a few, but most are there because he knows the area.

I think a lot of people would get a kick out of reading a story, and realizing the author had thrown in some detail only a local would know. For example, I have long been able to spot most Californians simply because those that live there talk differently. And most outsiders never understand that.

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awnlee jawking 🚫

@Mushroom

Otherwise, a story set in say Canada by somebody that had never been there would look pretty silly, eh?

That pretty much sums up my setting of a novel in a pseudo-America :-(

AJ

Remus2 🚫

@Mushroom

Myself, I have a bit of an advantage because I have lived in so many different places. Idaho, Northern and Southern California, North Carolina, Oregon, Texas, Alabama, Japan, and more. I can add little things about these regions, which other locals to them will be able to pick up and realize I am at least trying to be accurate in the setting.

You should probably define what you mean by "lived in," at least temporally. I've been in just shy of five dozen countries, and all but one state, though I did pass through the last one on a layover.

None of which means much. I consider myself to have lived in ~15 countries and ~6 states. By lived in, I mean spending six or more months contiguously working with the locals and living amongst them. Further, I don't mean in a hotel in the tourist corridor either.

It's my opinion that six months is the minimum to learn the local flavor. So what is it do you mean by "lived in?"

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richardshagrin 🚫

@Remus2

lived in

"lived-in
/ˈlivdin/
adjective
(of a room or building) showing comforting signs of wear and habitation.
"the living room has a lived-in feel about it"
INFORMAL
(of a person's face) marked by experience."

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Remus2 🚫

@richardshagrin

I understand the text book definition, but that wasn't the intent of the question.

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richardshagrin 🚫

@Remus2

the intent of the question.

I'll try again. If you arrive at a geographical location, likely a city but other locations may qualify, while you are alive and stay there for a reasonable period, (days, weeks, months, perhaps years) long enough to get to know some, most or almost all of the people who live there and understand how to obtain the necessities of life at that location, then you have lived there. Unless you die there, you likely will move to some other location and live there, too. It may require continuous residence at a particular address. I lived in Brooklyn and worked in Manhattan, so there is some doubt I lived in New York City, the part of Manhattan Island that most people think of with shows and shops, and tourist attractions. I visited some but couldn't afford to live there.

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Remus2 🚫

@richardshagrin

while you are alive and stay there for a reasonable period, (days, weeks, months, perhaps years) long enough to get to know some, most or almost all of the people who live there and understand how to obtain the necessities of life at that location, then you have lived there.

You're making my point for me. There is no right or wrong answer to my question as the answer is highly subjective. The second part of your statement usually only takes a few days for most people. However, this part of the post is what initiated my question.

Myself, I would like to see more stories given a "local flavoring".

That changes the context in my eyes. The "local flavoring" spoken of implies that a resident would immediately recognize it as such.

So if I spend a week in San Paulo, am I suddenly aware of the Brazilian culture, foods, arts, customs, etc to a sufficient degree that I can paint a picture with words a local would consider capturing the flavor of San Paulo and Brazil as a whole?
If I spent four weeks in London England traversing the normal tourist routes, can I suddenly understand the flavor of England as a whole?
If I spend three months in Riga Latvia, is that sufficient time to get a snap shot of Latvian culture etc to allow me to paint a picture a Latvian would immediately recognize as uniquely Latvian?

In my admittedly subjective opinion, six months is the bare minimum to have lived somewhere and picked up the unique flavor of that somewhere.

Mushroom 🚫

@richardshagrin

I'll try again. If you arrive at a geographical location, likely a city but other locations may qualify, while you are alive and stay there for a reasonable period, (days, weeks, months, perhaps years) long enough to get to know some, most or almost all of the people who live there and understand how to obtain the necessities of life at that location, then you have lived there.

For me, it also has to incorporate "when" into the mix.

Maybe it is because I am old, but I realize that many places I lived in for a great many years I simply could not really write about today. Things have changed so much, that is just not possible.

I have written about some of this in my own stories here. Watching the last of the farms in the San Fernando Valley vanish, as well as in other areas of LA. I grew up in Boise, but I barely recognize the city today because it has grown so big. Even the cabin my mom lived for her last decade in rural Central Idaho now has high speed Internet and satellite TV (when originally it got only 2 fuzzy channels over the air).

Otherwise, an author would throw in a lot of things that would break the realism for anybody familiar with the area. Mention something which no longer exists, or forget about something that does not exist yet. As well as not mention something that everybody knows, but was built after you left.

I even research things as I write, especially if it is a "period piece". For Country Boy, I was constantly looking things up, to see when they were built or torn down. I did not want to throw in visiting a place that was not built yet, or even worse a place that had already been torn down.

Thankfully, my other major series I am returning to when I finish it I purposefully set up in a fictional location. So I can put in whatever in the hell I want. I simply set it up in a big city, and was rather vague other than the Mafia has a presence and it has a seaport. Which set it in an imaginary arc from Chicago to the Coast, then down to around Baltimore. But literally it could be anywhere in that arc. Chicago, Boston, New York, Baltimore, anywhere. All match my vague descriptions.

And yes, I am following comic tropes there. I could do like Marvel and set it in a real city, but I do not know enough about the area to do so. Therefore, like DC I created a city, so it can be whatever in the hell I want. Right on the coast? Inland but still with a port like Philadelphia? Could be either, or neither.

Mushroom 🚫

@Remus2

It's my opinion that six months is the minimum to learn the local flavor. So what is it do you mean by "lived in?"

A year or more.

I do not consider having lived in Connecticut, since I was only there for 3 months. Same with Panama. Also my 2 summers in Alaska I do not count, 2 times for about 3 months each. And even though I was in the Middle East for over a year, my contact with the local population was limited so I do not really count that either.

I really have moved a lot over my life. California many times over many decades (starting in the 1960s), Idaho for over 6 years, North Carolina for over 4 years, Oregon off and on for over 3 years, Alabama for over 5 years, Texas for over 6 years, Japan for over a year.

I have yet to really set a story in the South, my main settings have normally been California or Okinawa. One character was from Idaho and I incorporated his language and behaviors after that, but in a "fish out of water" style when he moved to California.

And to do an area justice it really takes a lot of familiarity with a region. I have always been a bit of an "explorer", when I move to a new place often spending days just driving around, learning what is nearby. Going to little shops, talking with people, getting to know what is in the area. Which in this new move has been rather hard since I can not just go out and get myself familiar again in a place I have not lived in for years.

But I have explored a bit, and many places I used to go are now gone. I do look forward to things returning to normal so I can finally explore my new (again) home.

However, there is also an aside to this which I do consider. I lived in NC in the 1980s, Alabama in the 2000's, and Texas in the 2000-2010's. I would not set a story say in the 1960's in Texas, I do not know enough about the area at that time to do so. I would not write about living in Japan today, it has been so long I would miss critical things that changed since I left. I recognize that a key part of writing about an area is not only the area as a location, but also as a period of time.

One irony of that is when I wrote "Okinawa", it was only a few years after I left that island. I look back at it now over 25 years later, and realize when I re-edit it in the near future, it will remain time locked in the 1988-1990 timeframe. I could no more modernize it than somebody could "modernize" Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancey to the modern era.

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@Mushroom

And to do an area justice it really takes a lot of familiarity with a region. I have always been a bit of an "explorer", when I move to a new place often spending days just driving around, learning what is nearby.

Thanks for answering. You did a better job of describing intent than I did.

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@Remus2

Thanks for answering. You did a better job of describing intent than I did.

Well, I admit I have always been a bit of an oddball in that area. I move somewhere, I want to know all about it. Drive around, and get to know what is where.

My aunt thinks I am nuts now, as I generally do not take the freeway but instead drive different roads each time I go somewhere. And I laugh when I tell her about things I have found and visited that she has never seen. And she has lived here since 1976! She had no idea there were about 10 pawn shops in the downtown area, and a strip club.

It is not unusual for me to hop on a road, and just drive down it to see what is at the other end. And this becomes part of the random sewer I call a brain, sometimes to be recalled at some strange moment. When I lived in LA in the 1980's, literally I would spend days driving down a random street for 40+ miles. Or even hopping on a random freeway, just to see where it went.

For me now, this all becomes "background" in my writings. This was an era before GPS, where now people tend to turn off their brains and let their phone tell them where to go.

Like when I write about Okinawa. Sure, millions of people could try to do that who shared my time on the island. But I also know most Marines. They barely went more than a mile beyond the gate to the base, where all the bars were. But I would often wander miles deep into the communities, and even take the city busses to go places most I knew never went.

And one thing I often threw in was a little park I discovered, up on top of a hill with a cement gazebo. I know it was there, and nobody I ever met had ever visited it. Until one kid I served with from 2007-2010 who was the son of a career Air Force guy who lived there for 4 years. He immediately recognized it from my description, having also explored a lot (and being to young to go to the bars).

Sure, I could write about any city or location with just a little research, but I would miss things like this which I think are really needed.

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@richardshagrin

I can't remember any DoOver stories set in Dover, or near the White Cliffs of Dover. Most of the stories are set in the USA. Not sure why

"Magestic" IIRC started in London... And there was another one, I think John Wales wrote, possibly started in London(ON), or maybe Thunder Bay or Sudbury.

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A large metro on a sea port river. That can be Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, or a great many other cities ranging from Sacramento to Portland.

No, that can't be Chicago. Chicago is not a sea port.

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An inland port is a port on an inland waterway, such as a river, lake, or canal, which may or may not be connected to the sea. The term "inland port" is also used ...
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The terms "port" and "seaport" are used for different types of port facilities that handle ocean-going vessels, and river port is used for river traffic, such as barges .

Chicago through the Great Lakes and some canals and the St Laurence sea-way does handle some ocean-going vessels.

Portland is on the Columbia river, and a few other rivers that allow ocean-going ships to port there. Seattle is on Elliott Bay which is part of Puget Sound, and ships can reach the Pacific Ocean from there, through the Strait of Juan de Fuca. "The Strait of Juan de Fuca is a body of water about 96 miles long that is the Salish Sea's outlet to the Pacific Ocean. The international boundary between Canada and the United States runs down the center of the Strait."

I could be wrong but it likely is not necessary to be on an ocean to be a seaport.

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@richardshagrin

I could be wrong but it likely is not necessary to be on an ocean to be a seaport.

Exactly. A great many "sea ports" are quite a ways inland.

I remember moving to Stockton, California many years ago. Over 80 miles inland, in the center of the Central Valley. Yet it has an active sea port, which is interesting to see when driving by on the freeway. The first time I pointed it out to my wife, she did not realize that the large structures were actually ships.

"Inland Port" is generally used for ports where the ships travel entirely on inland waterways. If a significant number of ships travel via the ocean, "sea port" is applicable.

And believe it or not, the most inland seaport on the West Coast is actually Lewiston, Idaho. And Chicago is indeed a seaport. They actually take container ships there through the Great Lakes Waterway, where the ships are known as "Seawaymax".

There are well over 300 ships built to Seawaymax that traverse the waterway every year, making between 3,000-4,000 transits a year to and from Chicago to the Atlantic. Only 28 ships operate in the Great Lake that are larger than Seawaymax and never leave that body of water.

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@Mushroom

"Inland Port" is generally used for ports where the ships travel entirely on inland waterways. If a significant number of ships travel via the ocean, "sea port" is applicable.

I'm always amused by both the name of the city, Catoosa, and the minor detail that there is a port there. While it specifically is an inland port, sea cargoes both originate and offload there.

ETA: Keep in mind, I'm talking about near Tulsa, Oklahoma...

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