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Iwantmygorynichback ๐Ÿšซ
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Attention spoiler... of the first 3 chapters.

With all due respect to RoustWriter(tho ive already cursed you enough for several lifetimes) however:

I know Author says that we need to read three first chapters of the story but... It's just a descriptive coercion (highlighted) sex. I haven't read the whole story, and I know Author implies that Diana's and Arlene's behaviour is abnormal(but rn it looks like they are just cheap sluts, harsh, but that's how it looks and that's disgusting), which is the "reason" those chaps must be read as it somehow play out in future, but I'm such a feeble and vanilla person(im reading it cuz i know that after those 3 it should be better(for me))

Anyway my point being: i think maybe there should be a succinct and a little "out there" type of summary just so some readers, like me, can go through it without reading in details how Jack and Arnie(for ducks sake) ***ks and humiliates two of the future significant characters, ew, ew, ew

And as I've already read through those chapters and only then had in mind to look this summary up here, i suppose there can already been something like that:)

Thanks in advance for your attention.

Ed.:Ok, 4th chapters thats half-netorare, will need to cut that too

Ed2.: And yes, Arnie should've ripped that balls ****ing wimp

Replies:   Keet  Behindflayer  Lumpy
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Iwantmygorynichback

I have to agree. I think he may have lost some readers that couldn't get past those first few chapters and lost some more after the story continued with much less of the same. If I had to start the story again I would skip those first 5 chapters.

Behindflayer ๐Ÿšซ

@Iwantmygorynichback

Yeah, it certainly lost me in those early chapters when I tried it long ago. I considered just skipping those parts for what's supposed to come later but then I heard the author introduces so many other men with their own relationships that it loses focus.

Lumpy ๐Ÿšซ

@Iwantmygorynichback

What's strange about that story and it's description is almost nothing of those early chapters and nothing listed in the description plays any part in like 99% of the rest of the extremely long story. After about chapter 10 (that's a wild guess, I can't actually remember when it happens) they drop that part of the story and it becomes something completely different.

Replies:   Keet  Not_a_ID
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Lumpy

After about chapter 10 (that's a wild guess, I can't actually remember when it happens) they drop that part of the story and it becomes something completely different.

At that point I actually started to like the story :D Nowadays I'm a little more critical and would have probably dropped it before reaching chapter 4.

Not_a_ID ๐Ÿšซ
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@Lumpy

What's strange about that story and it's description is almost nothing of those early chapters and nothing listed in the description plays any part in like 99% of the rest of the extremely long story. After about chapter 10 (that's a wild guess, I can't actually remember when it happens) they drop that part of the story and it becomes something completely different.

Going from memory because it has been many years since I last read through it. I'm inclined to disagree.

It establishes a number of things about the core characters almost from the onset. "Alpha Females" (something that doesn't get introduced as a concept until later) have a high sex drive, which makes them susceptible to sexual coercion if those needs aren't being met(and they're unaware of the issue existing so they can take measures to counter it).

It establishes the Jeff as being very dedicated to the welfare of his family, but that same dedication can lead to borderline neglect in other ways under the right circumstances.

It also establishes that Jeff is very ruthless when it comes to defense of his family once he's aware of a threat. And that he can (in time) forgive mistakes.

It also puts Diana into the position where she is desperate enough to save her relationship with Jeff that she's willing to break with societal norms in order to do so. That breaking of social norms is what sets the stage for almost everything else that follows from there.

Without that happening, the path to getting the harem going takes a far more wandering and more convoluted path which likely would have required Little One and Ship basically telling them what they should be doing, and having Jeff and Diana likely trying to fight what they're being told. Which would have considerably changed a lot of the trajectory for the early story. And of course, then there is Arlene who would need to be addressed in this alternate version of the story.

Replies:   REP
REP ๐Ÿšซ
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@Not_a_ID

It establishes a number of things about the core characters almost from the onset.

I have to agree with Not_a_ID.

IIRC, Jeff used Little One on Diana and Arlene before the sexual interlude with the person coercing them. Jeff, Diana, and Arlene did not understand the effect Little One's changes would have on Diana and Arlene; that wasn't made known to them until after the sexual situation was made known. Once the 3 of them understood the problem, Jeff forgave Diana and reluctantly accepted both Diana and Arlene as his wives.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ
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@REP

IIRC, Jeff used Little One on Diana and Arlene before the sexual interlude with the person coercing them. Jeff, Diana, and Arlene did not understand the effect Little One's changes would have on Diana and Arlene; that wasn't made known to them until after the sexual situation was made known. Once the 3 of them understood the problem, Jeff reluctantly accepted both Diana and Arlene as his wives.

You are correct in your description but I see the 'problem' a little different. The first ~5+ chapters almost seem like a different type of story. More in the range for those who like much sex/stroke stories while the rest of the story evolves towards a scifi story with a lot less sex. At some points it even seems like here and there sex is thrown in just for the sake of having sex in the story while it doesn't do anything specific for the evolving story itself. At other points sex scenes are well integrated and supportive but certainly not everywhere. It's a very, very long running series so it's unavoidable that both author and story evolve over time. Not bad in itself but looking back it makes the way the story started seem a little out of line with the rest.

ETA: typo

Replies:   Grey Wolf
Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I have to agree with both, really. It establishes some essential things about the characters; it's also so different from what's about to happen that it'll run readers off who miss the comments to persevere.

It's hardly the only story to do that - Cainneach McEinri's Sarah's Saga is almost entirely off the rails for a while, in my opinion, before becoming a (nearly) completely different story - but it's notable.

If it were up to me, I'd have written a number of chapters prior to the Arnie and Jack section. Jeff working on his invention and worrying about Diana and about Arlene, but being semi-absent because he was worrying about money and their future more than the other things. Diana worried about Jeff and whether they're drifting apart (because he's semi-absent and obsessed). Arlene and her high sex drive dating Arnie and trying to not let things go too far.

Keep the big things off-stage. No mention of the healer, portal, Ship, any of that.

Then send Jeff off to St. Louis and let the train-wreck at home begin. Now we're 1) invested in the characters and 2) we know the actual story is more the family and the invention.

You can only fix it so far, of course. Jeff can't know why Diana and Arlene are at risk or why what happened happened, otherwise he won't react right for Diana to get desperate. Of course, you could swing the whole story in a different way, blaming pheromones and having Arlene just attack Jeff - but that's likely not better.

Basically: the path makes sense and it's pretty hard to create the situation that makes the story work without putting Jeff, Diana, and Arlene under stress. But without connection to the characters or foreshadowing, most readers would guess the story was going someplace very, very far away from where it winds up.

Replies:   Behindflayer
Behindflayer ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

There is a chance that if you get people invested in the characters before you write the kind of thing that happens at the start of this story, it will turn even more people away from it.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Behindflayer

There is a chance that if you get people invested in the characters before you write the kind of thing that happens at the start of this story, it will turn even more people away from it.

I think it would turn off less people, especially if the current start is toned down as Grey Wolf suggested.
As far as the story is I suspect the readership is settled into a more or less static group of readers. I also suspect most current readers are not the kink lovers but scifi readers that probably skip or just glance over the sex scenes.
Personally I think book 3 is starting to drag on before the new journey starts. I'm waiting for book 3 to finish with collecting all important characters together (including some long time not mentioned characters) and leaving Earth, then book 4 starting with the journey itself.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

including some long time not mentioned characters

But the author seems to make a point of mentioning each harem member by name every 15-20 chapters or so ;-)

AJ

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

mentioning each harem member by name every 15-20 chapters or so

Or at least another wedding ... :)

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ
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@Keet

I think book 3 started to drag about 100+ chapters ago :) The pace had picked up and was much better in recent (~ six months ago) chapters.

Mind you, I like some of the detail work on Morales and on the aliens. Some. But a year or two went by with the status essentially "Morales is getting established. Aliens are fixing things and maybe getting closer."

I like the sci-fi side of things and skim/skip the sex scenes, pretty much. I also have issues with the size of the harem, but at least Diana has logic as to why it's so big. Still ... yeah. It's a lot.

There is an enormous amount of potential in side stories. I like a fair bit of the worldbuilding. Whether any of that potential will ever be realized ... likely not, unless Roust opens it up as a Universe.

Replies:   Keet  mauidreamer
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

I think book 3 started to drag about 100+ chapters ago :) The pace had picked up and was much better in recent (~ six months ago) chapters.

Yes, it did start to drag 100+ chapters ago but Roustwriter introduced some interesting side stories to keep it interesting, although the current side story of the 6 week flashback with Dessie and Phillip is starting to drag on its own :) I agree with you that some of those side stories would have been better as separate stories in a universe.
It's a unique story since I think it's the only never-to-end serial on SOL.

Replies:   Grey Wolf
Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I read it every couple of years, so anything that's happened in the last six months is news to me :)

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

I read it every couple of years, so anything that's happened in the last six months is news to me :)

Courageous! I doubt I will ever start rereading but it's the only story I follow weekly without it being finished. For all other stories I wait until they are finished and download the complete story or just buy it from Bookapy if not finished on SOL yet.

mauidreamer ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

There is an enormous amount of potential in side stories. I like a fair bit of the worldbuilding. Whether any of that potential will ever be realized ... likely not, unless Roust opens it up as a Universe.

While RW hasn't opened it up as a Universe, I seem to recall that he has given at least one or two authors permission to visit and interact with some characters ...

Replies:   gmontgomery
gmontgomery ๐Ÿšซ

@mauidreamer

I wish Roust had ended each of the books so I could vote for them in the Clitodes.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@gmontgomery

I wish Roust had ended each of the books so I could vote for them in the Clitodes.

I suspect he would have had more readers if the story was split into multiple books. A lot of new readers will hesitate to start such a long story that's not finished yet so I guess it's mostly a steady group of readers that follow the soap opera.

Replies:   gmontgomery
gmontgomery ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Nothing wrong with a soap opera. There have been soaps that lasted decades on TV and started on radio.

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