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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

One of the threads here had a link to a story that sounded interesting so I added it to my library. I just opened it and it listed the prologue and chapters, but first a cast of characters. I had never read a cast of characters so I started reading it. It contained, duh, a list of characters and for each, their name, age, height, weight, physical characteristics like bra size or hair color, and some tidbits about some of them.

I quit reading the cast of characters before finishing. I had no idea who these characters were so I didn't care about them. Was I supposed to memorize their names, ages, weights, etc.? Was I supposed to go back and reference it while reading the story?

What is the purpose of a cast of characters? It seems useless to me.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

What is the purpose of a cast of characters? It seems useless to me.

(My bold)

It wasn't written for you, it exists for those readers who 'skim' when reading rather than investing the time to fully comprehend the story.

It is also useful to those readers who suffer from advanced CRS.

You should probably think of a cast list as you would a bibliography, a useful aid to research but unnecessary to enjoy the story.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

To me, the cats of characters has two purposes:

1. For me, the author, it helps me to keep the characters and their names correct throughout the story. Remember, i usually write novel to saga length stories.

2. For a reader it's a way to help them quickly remind themselves of the key aspects of characters as required, especially the ones that pop up in different places in the story.

The cast of characters is never meant to be read in the same way a Foreword is, but to be used as a reference whenever you feel the need.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ
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@Ernest Bywater

The cast of characters is never meant to be read in the same way a Foreword is, but to be used as a reference whenever you feel the need.

Bold added by me.
And as a reference it should be at the end of the book/story, not start with it.

For a story that is still being posted I can understand it because SOL doesn't have an option for a floating trailing 'chapter'. But as soon as the book is finished the list should be moved to the end.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

And as a reference it should be at the end of the book/story, not start with it.

which isn't possible with an in progress story on SOL.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

which isn't possible with an in progress story on SOL.

You probably typed your post before you read my update in which I explained that exception.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

But as soon as the book is finished the list should be moved to the end.

which requires a lot of extra work to have the story reposted to do so.

helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

And as a reference it should be at the end of the book/story, not start with it.

Why?
Apart from splitting the cast of characters into chapter related chunks, both solutions (start of book/end of book) require the reader to switch to the CoC and back to the chapter s/he is actually reading.
There are pros and cons for both:
Awareness there is a CoC provided: pro SoB, con EoB (who starts reading a book by reading the table of content?).
Not getting frustrated by reading the CoC or having to skip it: pro EoB, con SoB.

So for the author the decision is between making the reader aware of the CoC or risking the reader might assume reading the CoC is required.

HM.

Argon ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Sorry to disagree. As a reader, it's easy to open the Cast of Characters in a separate browser tab and just switch tabs when a recurring character pops up and I can't remember for shit who that is or was. Then again, I'm mid-60s and need such little helps.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@Argon

to open the Cast of Characters in a separate browser tab and just switch tabs

Now that is a good way to use it.

I wonder where SOL remembers where you were. The last window closed?

helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@Argon

As a reader, it's easy to open the Cast of Characters in a separate browser tab and just switch tabs when a recurring character pops up and I can't remember for shit who that is or was.

This is a good solution for browser based HTML stories.
But when it's an EPUB and you use a reader device, with most of it it's a PITA to switch between the Cast of Characters and the chapter you are reading.

HM.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I don't personally care about a caste of characters. If I need such to understand the story, it wasn't written well enough to start with imo.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

If I need such to understand the story, it wasn't written well enough to start with

That was what triggered my post.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

If I need such to understand the story, it wasn't written well enough to start with imo.

A lot depends on how long you take to read the story. If someone is reading a 150,000 word story over four days it's likely they do not remember the details of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier characters who turn up from time to time - that's where a cast of characters helps to remind them of what that character was doing. A good author helps the reader, and in a long story or one with a lot of character coming in and out of it the reader often has an issue remembering who a minor character is and how they fit in the story.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

I don't personally care about a caste of characters. If I need such to understand the story, it wasn't written well enough to start with imo.

I agree, I rarely look at a cast of characters. I do use possible other references if they support the story and like Argon I keep them in a other tab. These are mostly likely maps, sometimes even added to my local copy by myself.

Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

It's important to remember that a lot of stories, especially longer stories, aren't just posted chapter by chapter, they are written that way. That is, the author is writing them as serials, with early chapters being posted before later chapters have been written.

When you find a story after the fact you can read it over the course of a few days or a couple of weeks, depending on length and reading speed, but the original readers might have been reading a chapter every week for a year or longer.

That's the type of reader cast lists are for and why the list and other info is posted at the beginning. Some authors move that stuff to the end as appendices once the story is done, especially if they republish it on a pay site.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

My intent is to place the CoC for each book at the end as the book completes (and possibly also to put the same CoC as a second Foreword to the current book, with that deleted on publication). The CoC as published therefore contains no spoilers aside from optional ones (from flipping ahead to a later CoC, if one is available) - when a reader reaches it in due course, it contains only characters the reader will have already encountered.

The list should give an adequate pointer to first appearance and a very brief one-sentence description of their purpose in the story. Almost always nothing about appearance, etc, much less measurements.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

My intent is to place the CoC for each book at the end as the book completes

When the cast list is placed at the start of the book, ie the vanguard, does that make it the CoC au Van?

AJ

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Most of my stories are military, and have quite a few characters.

I have my own reference lists, and a much abbreviated list for readers.

Typically, I provide Name, Rank, (nickname if frequently used) ethnicity, and initial Duty in the TO&E, sometimes primarily weapon. Perhaps some tidbits commonly known to the personnel in the unit.

Often in the character list I include small details that would be obvious if You were there, such as James is the tall Black guy from Detroit, and Harris is the buck-tooth kid from Tennessee.

Or, Smith is the highest ranking guy, but he's a Medic, or a Sniper, so he won't be taking over the Platoon when the Lieutenant becomes a casualty.

In my World War Two story the Character List is pretty much the information that the Platoon Leader and Platoon Sergeant have to assign the men to various positions in the unit. It is also something all the members of the Platoon would know about each other before their first combat.

As casualties mount, Replacements are strangers, who Often become casualties and are gone before anyone knows them. This was common in the US Army after June 6th 1944. I show this, not tell it.

At the end of the story I have a list of all of the characters, mentioning if they lived, and a short blurb, or if they were wounded, or died.

I also included a list of Historical characters. Mostly the historical characters only do what they are documented to have done. Usually, something the characters witness.

I intend the character list to be available for those who Want it. Otherwise, it is easy to skip to the 1st chapter at the top of the page.

Some people have it as a separate tab. If you don't have multiple screens, such as a phone, on the top of each page is the Story Title. Click it brings you to the Table of Contents. You can look at the List, then use your back button, or the chapter list to get back to where you were reading.

I prefer to print Character Lists, so I can add notes the author may not have included.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

I have my own reference lists, and a much abbreviated list for readers.

I have my own list of characters too, but none for the readers. I create the list for consistency.

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