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If you use OneDrive on a Mac, you should read this.

Michael Loucks 🚫

If you use Microsoft OneDrive and have Mojave installed, OneDrive sync is corrupting your SSD because it doesn't appear to handle APFS correctly. The only current solution is to uninstall OneDrive and remove the OneDrive folder, as Disk Utility cannot fix the corruption. Deleting the OneDrive folder seems to eliminate the problem in most cases, though some people have had to restore from Backup.

MS is blaming Apple, but given this problem doesn't exist with GoogleDrive or DropBox, I'd say MS is wrong, but I can't prove that.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_onedrivefb-mso_mac-mso_o365b/disk-utility-warnings-in-os-x-mojave-and-onedrive/3e421ae5-45f4-44c4-acb2-021a3814279b

I've done a bunch of testing and found that as soon as OneDrive sync is turned on, the corruption occurs. Removing the folder fixed the problem for me. YMMV.

Replies: REP Argon Gauthier

REP 🚫

@Michael Loucks

I'd say MS is wrong, but I can't prove that.

MS doesn't like to accept responsibility for the problems it causes.

Replies: Vincent Berg

Vincent Berg 🚫

@REP

I'd say MS is wrong, but I can't prove that.

MS doesn't like to accept responsibility for the problems it causes.

MS's basic philosophy has always been that "the user IS the problem"!

Replies: Dominions Son

Dominions Son 🚫

@Vincent Berg

MS's basic philosophy has always been that "the user IS the problem"!

This is true, but they are occasionally right. Sometimes the user is the problem. The IT industry has a term for this.

PEBKAC

Problem
Exists
Between
Keyboard
And
Chair.

It's like the saying about cars: the most dangerous part of a car is the nut behind the wheel.

Replies: Ernest Bywater Switch Blayde psnz

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Dominions Son

The IT industry has a term for this.

Another along these lines is the one about the issue being the log on code for the user as being: ID ten t or ID 10 T

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Dominions Son

The IT industry has a term for this.

Another IT term: the change is "Transparent to the user."

which means…
the user never saw it coming.

Replies: Dominions Son

Dominions Son 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Another IT term: the change is "Transparent to the user."

It can be, and frequently is in in-house custom software in corporate IT shops, but personally I find that commercial software changes billed as "Transparent to the user" are rarely so. In fact, they tend to be incomprehensible to the user.

psnz 🚫

@Dominions Son

The IT industry has a term for this.

And here was me thinking it was PICNIC: Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.

Goldfisherman 🚫

Amen to that. MS has been that way since 1989. It has only gotten more vicious.

Remus2 🚫

Gasp... microsucks is wrong again??! Say it ain't so...

Replies: awnlee jawking

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Remus2

Ironically, in a recently reported interview, Bill Gates said that he had too much money and complained about how hard it was to give it away.

Perhaps he should have been fairer to MS customers.

AJ

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Darian Wolfe 🚫

@awnlee jawking

and the software companies he jammed to create MS.

Argon 🚫

@Michael Loucks

Here's an old adage: The first time Microsoft will produce something that does not suck will be when they'll start making vacuum cleaners.

For the most part I use the iWork apps, but for heavy spreadsheet lifting I take LibreOffice. When you are dealing with multiple sheets of over 8,000 lines each, Excel has a tendency to crash and Numbers just has not the range of tools. I exchange text and data files with the WinWorld frequently and without major issues.

Gauthier 🚫

@Michael Loucks

File system integrity is solely the OS responsibility, no API call by any app should be able to corrupt a file sytem.

Moreover by design a modern file system should be resilient to power failure, OS crash, hardware failure and malevolent apps.

APFS was designed for speed and OS upgrade convenience (snapshot, clone) on slow cheap controller less flash hardware.

That was done at the expense of every modern file system design requirement. User data integrity is never protected on APFS. It looks more like a toy FS designed for minimalist single drive hardware than anything you would want on a real computer or server.

Apple delayed (Sept. 2018) and released an incomplete specification of the APFS data structures, So it's no wonder that disk utilities will fail to correct it.

Replies: Vincent Berg Michael Loucks

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Gauthier

File system integrity is solely the OS responsibility, no API call by any app should be able to corrupt a file sytem.

Moreover by design a modern file system should be resilient to power failure, OS crash, hardware failure and malevolent apps.

APFS was designed for speed and OS upgrade convenience (snapshot, clone) on slow cheap controller less flash hardware.

Alas, since I use so many secondary, plug in drives, rather than relying on APFS drives, I instead use NTFS (using "NTFS for Mac", which I've never had any issues with, and which generally provides the faster speeds and greater file sizes required, with fewer limitations). Since I'm on a 2017 Mac Mini, with only a single internal drive, it seems a more useful direction to take.

Also, I use CleanMyMac X, which although pricey, especially for multiple systems, is pretty good about cleaning up file and database corruptions (though I've never encountered the issues you're describing).

Michael Loucks 🚫

@Gauthier

File system integrity is solely the OS responsibility, no API call by any app should be able to corrupt a file sytem.

Except the problem appears to be that MS is setting incorrect file attributes. Yes, the OS should prevent that, but funny, DropBox, GoogleDrive, BoxCryptor, AmazonDrive, etc, etc, are all working just fine. Only MS OneDrive is broken.

rugby 🚫

FYI there is a bug currently with Outlook for Mac and macOS 10.14.3 that is directly apple's fault. 10.14.4 fixes the issue but is only in beta right now.

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