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Short and tall

kungfufool45 🚫
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I've been at my house job for a couple months now and I love it. My favorite particular thing about it isn't a thing but a person. Specifically a girl. So I'm wondering if there are any stories where the mc is a short man compared to to the main girl. I would love if it if the story was sweet and heartwarming all the way through but I wouldn't mind a little drama if it makes the ending worth it. I don't care about the setting or anything of that sort.

Edit: bonus points though if the mc is just leaving a toxic relationship

Radagast 🚫
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@kungfufool45

Wordytom's Depression Soup is a coming of age story set in Oklahoma during the Great Depression. Its sweet and heartwarming all the way through, but has enough bad times and people to make it believable. IIRC there is a minor character, a very short, immensely energetic deliveryman who meets and falls in love with MC's valkyrie aunt, pursues her, woos her and marries her.
https://storiesonline.net/s/62814/depression-soup

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale 🚫

@Radagast

If that is sufficient then there is a similar constellation in Joe J's https://storiesonline.net/s/52784/el-paso-joe-j where "the greatest vaquero of all time in all the universe" (Pedro) gets his Rosalinda. That is a thread running through most of the story.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dinsdale

Another strong story, on a number of fronts.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@kungfufool45

I've tried, in vain, to think of a story I enjoyed in which the short hero got the girl :-(

Wasn't Oscar Meyers short?

AJ

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

I don't normally think much of posts which simply add the links to a previous post, but given that AJ simply named a story without saying who wrote it I'll make an exception for myself.
https://storiesonline.net/s/43294/oscar-meyers, and it's part of https://storiesonline.net/universe/19/john-carter by Lazlo Zalezac. There's a couple of million words in there, and that's even without the Happy Harry series embedded in that Universe.

richardshagrin 🚫

@kungfufool45

Perhaps:
"The Short of It
by radio_guy

Synopsis: It's time for college and Jerry Short and Joe Long are going to the same college. Follow their adventures as they deal with the long but mostly the short of it. It's moving but slowly with Jerry's story primarily. I still don't know where it will go.
Sex Contents: No Sex
Genre: Young Adult
Codes: Ma/Fa, Fiction, School, Sports
Size: 699 KB | 137,859 Words | Votes: 186 | Score: 7.38
Posted: 2021-08-02 Concluded: 2021-09-21"

Despite the title the male characters are not height challenged. But it was well worth reading, at least in my opinion.

JoeBobMack 🚫

@kungfufool45

Trad pub, but Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigian Saga delivers this in spades.

Replies:   Radagast
Radagast 🚫
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@JoeBobMack

An excellent series until Gentleman Jole & the Red Queen, where she retconned the -very- married, very ethical Admiral & his Captain as swingers who screw young subordinates. I guess she needed woke points.

I bought every book the month it came out, starting with Barrayar when it was serialized in Analog back in '91. 23 years of happy reading with a story a year. She's the only author I know who has successfully produced space opera, coming of age, detective, high society romance, medieval fantasy & American Midwest fantasy, a genre she seems to have invented.

Her current World of Five Gods novellas about a doctor-spy and his chaos demon partner are great.

Replies:   Quasirandom  JoeBobMack
Quasirandom 🚫

@Radagast

Gentleman Jole & the Red Queen, where she retconned the -very- married, very ethical Admiral & his Captain as swingers who screw young subordinates. I guess she needed woke points.

Hmm. Among regular attenders of WisCon (the premier feminist SF convention) reactions to that book was decidedly disappointed. The only people I know who've been enthusiastic about it have been, well, swingers. If it was aiming for woke points, it badly misfired.

Status: Unlikely

Replies:   Radagast  mauidreamer
Radagast 🚫

@Quasirandom

It was published when the Hugos had become a political battleground, a test run of modern internet social engineering & disruption techniques, as was Gamergate on the Chans a year earlier and Kony 2012 as a prototype twitter campaign before that. Old authors were being cancelled for imagined slights 30 years earlier.
I doubt that she was seeking approval from the gay and lesbian fandom, as Ethan of Athos, Bel Thorne, young Aral and Beta Colony all portrayed them as normal people, decades before the mainstream did. Those characters were all created during the 'don't ask, don't tell' period of social non-acceptance.
I do think she may have been currying favor to protect her career from the new Zampolits.

Replies:   Radagast
Radagast 🚫
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@Radagast

With Sargeant Taura she did the impossible and cast Furries in a good light. Thats a fetish community that managed to get banned from 4chan for being obnoxious...

Bel Thorne / Bella Thorne. Hmmm.... I think I know why Bella Thorne didn't follow through and provide the nudes she was paid for on Onlyfans. I'm not saying its Aliens, but...

mauidreamer 🚫

@Quasirandom

IMHO Lois wrote it to get all the Barrayar/MVKverse fanatics off her back so she could put an end to that universe for good and concentrate on her other universes ...

JoeBobMack 🚫

@Radagast

Haven't read that one. I particularly liked the proposal scene in A Civil Campaign.

Replies:   Radagast
Radagast 🚫

@JoeBobMack

Komarr & A Civil Campaign were my two favorites. Too many good scenes to list. I'm surprised she didn't continue the series with more books about Ivan. He was finally a fully formed character in Captain Vorpatril's Alliance. After 25 years she may simply have had enough of the same universe.

samuelmichaels 🚫

@kungfufool45

Aroslav has several characters who are shorted than (some of) their girlfriends. Living Next Door to Heaven's MC is relatively short, and at least one of his friends is quite a bit taller.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@samuelmichaels

Don't forget his Team Manager series.

AJ

Remus2 🚫
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@kungfufool45

Short or tall, depends on the perceptions of the other observers. To person who is 152cm (~5 feet), a person who is 182cm (~6 feet) would be tall.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Remus2

That means they fit under your chin just right when you hug. I'm 6'2", my wife is 5'4".

Dominions Son 🚫

@Remus2

Short and tall can also be used relative to population averages. Of course, that can vary based on the population used. It can vary from nation to nation and regionally within a nation.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-height-by-state

The average height in the United States is 5 feet 4 inches (162.56 centimeters) for women and 5 feet 9 inches (175.26 centimeters) for men. This makes the United States the 40th tallest nation in the world.

Replies:   DBActive  Remus2
DBActive 🚫

@Dominions Son

Those height stats often are self-reported - taken from driver licenses or other documents where people are as accurate as when they post their penis size.

joyR 🚫

@DBActive

Those height stats often are self-reported - taken from driver licenses or other documents where people are as accurate as when they post their penis size.

I have to ask. Which jurisdictions require penis size to be shown on their driving licences?

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@joyR

Joy,
Isn't it a standard question?

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫
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@DBActive

Isn't it a standard question?

Apparently not.

One does wonder why it would be deemed necessary information for a driving licence, unless it refers to those driving a long one or maybe due to a heavy load?

:)

ETA

Do those who drive muscle cars have to stop at Whey stations?

Dominions Son 🚫

@DBActive

Those height stats often are self-reported - taken from driver licenses

Cite required.

1. It would be possible to get data that is not self reported from anonymized medical records.
2. Most people in my experience do know their true height withing +/- 1 inch.
3. What is the basis for which people would like about their height on their driver's license. Having that information wildly wrong could cause them problems when they need to use it as an ID, or if they get stopped for a traffic violation.

Replies:   DBActive  Vincent Berg
DBActive 🚫
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@Dominions Son

1. Measured for medical records? Have you ever gotten an accurate height measurement at the doctor? Taken with or without shoes?

2. Yes they do - and they lie about it. Men who are really 5'10" claim they are 6'. Personally, my wife who is just 5'4" has always envisioned herself as 5'6"

3.The most obvious is that people get shorter with age. Significantly shorter. See how much that height changes from year to year. I would bet that most people put the same height on their DL at 65 as they did at 20.

"Measured" isn't often better. You always see that the Netherlands has the tallest men in the world - over 6' on average. All from a single study of less than 100 university students.

ETA: A reference I left out


Introduction

Self-reported data on weight and height are much easier, simpler and inexpensive to obtain than measured values. Therefore, in many cases, self-reported data are used, but their validity may be questioned. Recent reviews1,2report a general trend to overestimate one's height and also to underestimate one's weight, especially by overweight or obese persons. Body mass index (BMI) values that are computed from weight and height are therefore also underestimated. These observations are confirmed for adolescents.3 The self-reported data can substitute for measured data for most purposes, especially if only means are used, since the correlations between self-reported and measured heights and weights are high.4–7 However, for other applications, such as health surveys (e.g. prevalence of obesity), clothing sizes., or input for ergonomic design, it is important to know how trustworthy the reported values are.

Many articles describe overall effects: over-reporting of height and under-reporting of weight. More specifically, a tendency toward the mean or 'flat slope syndrome',8,9 meaning overestimation of lower values and underestimation of higher values, is also reported frequently (see, for instance, refs. 4, 6, 7 and 10). Factors that are related to the accuracy of the self-reported data are gender, age7,10 and weight status (underweighted–obese).4,5

The present study investigates whether also regional differences exist with respect to the errors in reporting weight and height. Our specific aims are (i) to explore the effect of regional information in relation with gender, age and height or weight or obesity status on systematic errors in reporting weight and height, and (ii) to examine the same effects on the resulting calculation of BMI. The data used have been assembled by identical procedures in three countries (Italy, the Netherlands and North America).

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/21/4/414/434809

Replies:   Dominions Son  Remus2
Dominions Son 🚫

@DBActive

The data used have been assembled by identical procedures in three countries (Italy, the Netherlands and North America).

Well, right off the bat, North America isn't a country. Obviously there are serious issues with their methodology.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@Dominions Son

You want me to post the dozens of other studies with the same conclusions? Men over-report height. Women underreport weight.

Remus2 🚫
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@DBActive

3.The most obvious is that people get shorter with age. Significantly shorter. See how much that height changes from year to year. I would bet that most people put the same height on their DL at 65 as they did at 20.

This is true. When I was 20, I was 6'6" and some change. The height I mentioned earlier was from my physical last September at 6'4". As I understand it, long term compression of the joints and spine are responsible for this.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫
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@Remus2

Just from morning to night you can shrink about a half inch. Astronauts are around 2 inches taller in space from lack of compression from gravity.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@DBActive

Astronauts are around 2 inches taller in space from lack of compression from gravity.

I've read something like that in the past, but an insomnia riddled brain has me wondering how NASA got around the problem of spacesuits fitting for long term missions? 2" is sufficient to be a problem for getting into a fitted suit.

Replies:   Obliterous
Obliterous 🚫

@Remus2

Only the gloves of the eva suits are custom fitted, everything else is mix & match parts with lots of expansion room.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@Obliterous

Only the gloves of the eva suits are custom fitted, everything else is mix & match parts with lots of expansion room.

Do you have a source for that information I could read?

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dominions Son

Plus, at a given age, we all start shrinking, due to our compressed and compacting spines, no one appreciates being reminded of what they've lost, as it's more than apparent, just glancing in the mirror as we pass. Though in my case, when I broke my hip, I lost a full three-inches on my right leg, causing it to be my non-dominant leg, as opposed to my hands.

Again, real-life can be as strange as it wants, it's fiction which has to at least feel authentic.

Replies:   fasteddiecoder
fasteddiecoder 🚫

@Vincent Berg

I know we are supposed to get shorter as we get older. And I am definitely getting older. But I'm convinced that I'm actually getting taller. I base this on the fact that when I drop something, the floor is much further away than it has ever been in the past

Replies:   jimq2  Switch Blayde
jimq2 🚫

@fasteddiecoder

So True! Been there done that. Had to get my dog to pick up the sock I dropped this morning.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@fasteddiecoder

the floor is much further away than it has ever been in the past

I discovered that playing softball. Every ground ball hit to me went under my glove. I thought my arms had shrunk with age.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I thought my arms had shrunk with age.

You've evolved from a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal :-)

AJ

Vincent Berg 🚫

@DBActive

In my case, those 'taller women' were mostly from other countries who were just experiencing the rapid growth common in newly developing countries, thus the women suddenly started springing up to new heights, only for those born only a few yeas later lost that particular height advantage.

It's strange how those things play out, but again, the non-standard relationship is usually a compelling one, providing a compelling contrast to most other similar stories.

Remus2 🚫

@Dominions Son

I am 6'4" so both of those averages are short to me.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Remus2

That's backwards. At 6'4", you are tall. :)

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫
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@Dominions Son

That's backwards. At 6'4", you are tall. :)

Nope, from my perspective, everyone else is short. :)
Last project I worked in Mexico, I was the short one on the project. There was a Mexican I worked with that was seven foot even. His nickname was pequeΓ±o jefe.

Radagast 🚫

@kungfufool45

As thread drift has become the Gulf Stream, I thought I'd bring things vaguely back on track. Harddaysknight has an amusing tale about a man whose wife tells their friends he comes up short:
https://storiesonline.net/s/55638/misery

DBActive 🚫

@kungfufool45

All of Matt Moreau's stories though he seldom (never?) winds up with the girl at the end.

Replies:   Radagast  Radagast
Radagast 🚫

@DBActive

Nothing sweet & heart warming about Matt Moreau's exploration of people who wallow in being victims, so definitely not want OP wants.

Radagast 🚫

@DBActive

Matt Moreau is for those who want to wallow in failure. His characters all get cheated on & abandoned by wives & children, live miserable lives in doss house accomodation, never improve their education or employment if they have any, go to jail for crimes they didn't commit, end up amputees and of course their only friend is cheap booze. Apart from that they are good stories.

madnige 🚫

@kungfufool45

I've not seen it mentioned yet, so I'll flag up Wes Boyd's Picking Up the Pieces. The MC is not really short (6'4" IIRC) but his partner is notably taller still.

samuelmichaels 🚫

@kungfufool45

Gina Marie Wylie wrote The Tall Short (not on this site, I am afraid), but other than the title, it has nothing to do with your question :-)

Radagast 🚫

@kungfufool45

Sweet & heart warming all the way through? Check.
MC is just leaving a toxic relationship? Check.
Woman is tall? Check. 6 feet.
Man is short? Nope. He's 6'4" and the midget in his family, nicknamed Stumpy. Here's a taste:

Punching in the user number I was assigned, I placed my profile.

"Short, bald, fat, ugly, broke guy with small penis seeks tall, thin woman, teeth optional, for correspondence and possible relationship. Round heeled slut preferred, but simple promiscuity accepted. Must be willing to give and receive verbal abuse. Don't need to like you, fuck loving you. I just need to get my rocks off. My name is Stumpy, for obvious reasons."

I put a picture of Baldy, one of the seven dwarfs from the Disney cartoon production, and signed off.

"That should settle that" I thought, as I sipped my straight rye whiskey.

https://storiesonline.net/s/12746/stumpy-and-olive

steeltiger 🚫

@Radagast

A classic story & a great way to make me laugh hard enough to snort coffee out my nose. Q hit a home run with this.

JoeBobMack 🚫

@Radagast

Wow! Wouldn't have read it without the recommendation here, but so fun!

Nizzgrrl 🚫

@Radagast

Baldy?

steeltiger 🚫

@kungfufool45

Not sweet & heartwarming the whole way, but it has its moments: Just Plain Bob's 'Little Man & Stupid Bitch' https://storiesonline.net/s/61060/little-man-and-stupid-bitch

Argon 🚫
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@kungfufool45

Colt45's Quest for Knowledge; the MC is a tall man, but he picks (among others) a 7-foot female warrior.

It is not a stand-alone story, you'll need to read Sea King first for full understanding of the premises.

https://storiesonline.net/library/author.php?name=colt45&sf=alpha&so=asc&p=2

Sadly, Colt45 is gone and his stories are Premier only. IMO, they are worth a premier membership.

PS: No bonus points.

richardshagrin 🚫

@kungfufool45

Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs might qualify. However there is less than a 15% chance one of the dwarfs is Happy. The names are Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy, and Dopey.

Diamond Porter 🚫

@kungfufool45

There are a few NiS stories that fit this. On this site, there is: Odco. Susan and Jason Naked in School. https://storiesonline.net/s/22566/susan-and-jason-nis

If you count a boy in a wheelchair as short, there's also Quasirandom's Triad 2: https://storiesonline.net/s/23296/dana-teri-and-mike

Vincent Berg 🚫

@kungfufool45

I can relate, as a tall lad (6'1"), I was lucky enough to enjoy when women first started growing taller too, so I've known dated several 6"+ women, whereas with most 'normal-sized' women, glancing down or leaning over to kiss them puts a considerable strain on my back and neck. Thus, it's nice kissing someone of my own stature.

I'm still more than willing to do it, it's just a pleasant alternative.

tendertouch 🚫
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@kungfufool45

This type of thing shows up in most of my stories, one way or another.

In Building a Better Past we start with a much shorter male (who never gets close to catching up to Trish), then add a still shorter female to the same relationship.

In Expanding Dizyntk, Cheri's height is never mentioned directly, but I envisioned her as something like 6' β€” hence Ginny having to step back to look in her eyes after a hug. The male here is 5'4" and Ginny is roughly the same height.

In Charley and Claire and Protective Coloration the odd couples are both female/female β€” like I said, this type of thing seems to show up all the time in my stuff. Likely because I've been at least 6" shorter than a couple of the women I've dated over the years.

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