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So the lesbian who wishes to conceive naturally and has sex with a male for procreation is no longer a lesbian? It is entirely possible for the mechanics to work without the desire.

That argument has been worn thin here and elsewhere. My middle sister is a firm lesbian and has a child via artificial means. As she put it to me, a true lesbian wouldn't go the natural route when the means to do so exist without it. I believe she has the right of it imo. As such, we will not agree no matter how you frame that argument.

So how do lesbians around the worldreceive the seal of approval from you and your sister, exactly? Do you have a website set up or something?

So how do lesbians around the worldreceive the seal of approval from you and your sister, exactly? Do you have a website set up or something?

So how does someone express their opinions without inflammatory rhetoric from the likes of people like you?

You are of course free to express your opinion, I however am not required to agree with it.

By definition, she would not be a lesbian if she had willing sex with a male.

Is that your own personal definition - or is it one that came from a reputable dictionary? None of the definitions I found online said overtly that a lesbian could never have sex with a male.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lesbian

it doesn't rule out sex without attraction (eg for reproduction) with someone of the opposite gender.

The mechanics of sex don't work terribly well without some level of attraction/arousal. If he can't get it up it's not happening.

With no attraction/arousal on her part she will not be lubricating, and forcing it without the use of artificial lubricants can result in pain/injury for both parties.

I believe a large proportion of adolescent males are attracted to their hands ;)

That's awfully sexist of you. Adolescent women also have hands.

DS didn't mention any suffering. Why would a man who isn't aroused, and doesn't want sex, suffer from not being able to get it up?

If a man agrees to impregnate a lesbian, either for reasons of friendship, payment or beer goggles, then can't 'get it up', I reckon that's more like 'suffering' than 'having the time of his life'.

Can you imagine a more outlandish example to prove ... Actually, I don't even know what you want to prove.

I believe a large proportion of adolescent males are attracted to their hands ;)

That's awfully sexist of you. Adolescent women also have hands.

You will note that he did NOT say anything about whether females are attracted to their hands.

You will note that he did NOT say anything about whether females are attracted to their hands.

Of course, I noticed. It's the reason I commented on AJ's statement.

It's best not to look at homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual as fixed states, but rather as a continuum with homosexual and heterosexual as the extreme, opposing end points and pure bisexual as the middle.

And in my story there's another reason a lesbian has sex with a male. It takes place in the Old West in the 1880s where a girl is brought up to be a wife and have children. I have a character who is lesbian who followed that rule and married and can't stand having sex with her husband. But she does because it's expected of a wife and even has a child.

If she were at the extreme endpoint rather than at least partially bisexual, she wouldn't be capable of becoming aroused with a male partner, and without the use of external lubricants, having sex could be painful for both of them.

And in The Imitation Game the MC was gay and was going to marry the woman mathematician. I assume if they had married he would do the deed.

At the extreme end for homosexual, he shouldn't be able to get enough of an erection to do the deed with a woman. He would be functionally impotent with a female partner.

On the other hand, with the continuum view of it, it seems unlikely that a large percentage of the population sits at either endpoint.

Of those not at the end points, only those clustered around the middle would be fully comfortable with relationships with either gender. Those close to one end or the other would have a strong preference for partners of one gender or the other, but would be capable of performing with the other gender under the right circumstances.

What happens when a woman is raped? In real life, she doesn't get aroused.

My understanding is that there are vaginal injuries that occur that are distinct enough from anything that happens during consensual sex that they can be distinguished on a gynecological exam if done soon enough after.

And if she's too dry, the rapist can end up with what amount to friction burns on his penis.

I searched. I couldn't find anywhere in the merriam-webster link you provided defining a lesbian as "never" having sex with a male.

The probelms is people assume you are either strictly hetero, or strictly gay / lesbian. If you have sex with both genders, you are bisexual. There are only three possibilities. The fallacy of this argument is there is no allowance for a gradation of desire. A woman could be almost completely lesbian in her desires, but chooses to be 'inseminated' in the traditional manner to produce a child. Does that mean she must forfeit her lesbian card? I don't think so.

There is in fact a bridge between them. Two such actually. The first is Demisexual. The second by definition is Asexual/Gray A. Therefore there are definitions for those who would prefer the natural route. They do not require a 'card' to be given up, just the application of the correct card.

ETA: There is also the difference in romantic orientation vs sexual orientation to be considered. They are not necessarily one and the same.

In terms of human sexuality, there are very few people in this world who are 100% gay.

Thus the reason I stated; "a true lesbian." Very few fit that category. For those few, there is no ambiguity. The term bisexual is rift with ambiguous potential. The best term I've ever read was Demisexual which while broad, allows nearly the entire spectrum.

There is a larger picture at play. Who decided anyone requires a classification to begin with? Why are government and academics alike involved? I don't personally care what someone does or thinks in there private lives. It's none of my business to begin with. Nor should it be anyone else's business.

The hyphenated 'enlightened' world at large is not as enlightened as it believes itself to be. Pigeon holing people into nice orderly categories is a pipe dream at best, and a tool to destroy world civility at worse.

The hyphenated 'enlightened' world at large is not as enlightened as it believes itself to be. Pigeon holing people into nice orderly categories is a pipe dream at best, and a tool to destroy world civility at worse.

Here you see the results of bureaucracy. We have only so many pigeon holes, and you can only fit in one. And if you are in one, you cannot be anything else, even part of the time.

And we have all read stories [not here - this is fiction] in real life where someone was married and/or in a heterosexual relationship for some period of time before deciding it wasn't working, and headed for the other end of the spectrum.

Depends on definitions. If you define lesbian as a woman only willingly having sex with other woman then, yes, a bisexual woman is not a lesbian. Which is one definiton of lesbian, there are many like it, but this one is mine :p
And let's be honest, who understands the current gender and sexual-orientation insanity anyway? Certainly not me. But I guess that the legions of Genderstudies, Womansstudies and whatever else indoctrinated (or rather scammed) by colleges need to have something to ne upset about.

Nice attempt at levity Richard.

As to the rest of y'all...

This isn't the first time this argument has been aired in the forums and, knowing the people involved, probably won't be the last. It seems to me that some folks are confusing intercourse with attraction. Most of the definitions I have seen deal with attraction or more specifically sexual attraction and not with whom they have sex. You can have sex with someone you are not sexually attracted to. It happens every hour of every day. There are many reasons people have sex with people they are not attracted to; money (Some gold diggers, prostitutes and others), Drugs, not getting beat by your spouse, pimp, master whatever, getting knocked up, revenge... the themes run rampant throughout the stories here at SOL.

Personally, I DON'T give a fuck about definitions. What you want to call yourself is just fine with me. Who am I to judge someone else's attraction to others? What ever makes you happy with yourself and doesn't interfere with others enjoyment go for it.

A buy-sexual pays for it.

They do say it is cheaper to rent than to buy.

Hmmmm Why did I not think of that?

Because arm chair generals have too much wannabe pride over something so trivial.

Anyways, just read any harem in sol ... as most just copy the same excuse for the guy to collect a harem cause the girls are lesbo/bi.

Although it's not from the male pov, it's a third pov narration, I just read The Black Rabbit, whose characters in question are Sybil and Ansa with Jabbit (the male) but the girls are side characters. Very enjoyable read.

She smirked and said that her eyes were closed and she pretended he was a girl.

In real life I was told much the same thing by a gay man about blowjobs from women.