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Do Over to the mid 1950s

PotomacBob 🚫

What if an adult in 2025 were sent back to live life over arriving at age 14 in 1955? The significance of that date is that it the MC would be living his or her high school years beginning 4 or 5 years BEFORE the birth control pill. Eisenhower was president, rock n roll was just getting started, car culture was dominant, age of consent in many states was much lower than today, and the Civil Rights movement was in its earliest stages. This was before JFK announced the intent to puta man on the moon. My guess is that any author who undertook to write such a story would be too young to remember those days, so would by necessity have to do a lot of research.

irvmull 🚫
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@PotomacBob

Even with research, I'll bet it would be easy to make lots of mistakes, and people like me who were 14 in 1955 would complain.

And the problem with relying on research is that much of the info is biased, often for political reasons.

Dominions Son 🚫

@irvmull

and people like me who were 14 in 1955 would complain.

And people born after 1955 wouldn't notice, and probably wouldn't care if they did.

Replies:   Unicornzvi  LonelyDad
Unicornzvi 🚫

@Dominions Son

Some of them, but while I was born well after 1955 when an author who actually lived through those years mentions something that was only invented a couple years later as something quite common - I notice.

LonelyDad 🚫

@Dominions Son

I was born in 1954, and have a pretty good feeling of what life was like for most of the 20th century, at least in the US and western Europe. Little gaffes I usually overlook, but if there are too many of them or they are too big that pretty much ruins the story for me.

Unicornzvi 🚫

@irvmull

And even people who were around back then will remember things wrong.
Anyone trying such a story and wanting to get it actually accurate would need both a lot of research and some beta readers who actually remembered the 1950s.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫
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@Unicornzvi

wanting to get it actually accurate would need both a lot of research and some beta readers

You got that right. One of the things I had to research was clothing in the 1880s Old West for my "The Breeder" novel. I spent a great deal of time on the underwear. Lo 'n behold, a reader told me the women didn't wear dresses. They look like dresses, but they are actually a skirt and top (2 pieces). She was a costume designer in Hollywood so that was her field.

solitude 🚫

@PotomacBob

Iskander has a story where the MC returns to 1962, aged 12. Close enough?

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PotomacBob 🚫

@solitude

thank you for the suggestion. It's not quite what I was looking forbecause of the year. 1962 was after The Pill became available, after Eisenhower sent federal troops to Arkansas to enforce desegretation of Little Rock schools, after Gary Francis Powers

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solitude 🚫

@PotomacBob

It's not quite what I was looking forbecause of the year. 1962 was after The Pill became available, after Eisenhower sent federal troops to Arkansas to enforce desegretation of Little Rock schools, after Gary Francis Powers

Its a story based in England, so the relevant timeline item is that it's before The Beatles

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Mushroom 🚫

@solitude

Its a story based in England, so the relevant timeline item is that it's before The Beatles

Interesting, it would be at the very start of the Skiffle movement. Which is what a decade later would spawn The Beatles.

Mushroom 🚫

@PotomacBob

thank you for the suggestion. It's not quite what I was looking forbecause of the year. 1962 was after The Pill became available

Do not obsess on that. As it took almost a decade for that to really start to change things. Yes, in the US it was first available in 1960, but it was closer to 1967-1968 that it really started to change the culture.

By 1964, it was only legal in eight states. And many states regulated that it could only be distributed to married women. In fact, it was only mandated to be available in all states to married women in 1965. It was not until 1972 that the Supreme Court mandated that it was a right to all women, married or unmarried.

So in reality, the impact of "The Pill" would pretty much be the same in 1965 as it was in 1955, unless the woman was married.

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Unicornzvi 🚫

@Mushroom

Keep in mind that "legally available" and "practically available" are very rarely the same thing. I have not done any research into the availability of the pill in the early 1960s, but I'd be shocked if it had very high correlation to the official legal status.
I expect you'd have both people selling it illegally, and it being theoretically available but in practice not for various reasons.

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Mushroom 🚫

@Unicornzvi

Keep in mind that "legally available" and "practically available" are very rarely the same thing. I have not done any research into the availability of the pill in the early 1960s, but I'd be shocked if it had very high correlation to the official legal status.
I expect you'd have both people selling it illegally, and it being theoretically available but in practice not for various reasons.

Are you even aware of how they work or are used? It is not a simple "for all users" type of medication where you just take one out of a bottle and are protected. Those have always been prescribed, and the dosages are tailored for the individual based upon their medical history, age, and many other factors.

So I would be shocked if there was not a high correlation between use and prescriptions. And no, there would not be much of a "black market" for them, and there were a great many other methods available.

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Unicornzvi 🚫

@Mushroom

and there were a great many other methods available.

This would change matters, but the fact is that every time I know of that there was an attempt to limit counterceptives there immediately sprung a black market for them.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Unicornzvi

This would change matters, but the fact is that every time I know of that there was an attempt to limit counterceptives there immediately sprung a black market for them.

Contraception was still readily available.

The main methods at that time were condoms, IUDs, diaphragms, and rhythm method. After the rationing of WWII, they were literally everywhere in the US. Many gas stations, bars, and bowling alleys had them available in machines in the bathrooms. And the first contraceptive foams were also available by then.

And even more important in 1965 when Griswold V. Connecticut was decided by the Supreme Court, striking down laws denying contraceptives to consenting adults.

There really was contraception then, and it was hardly impossible to get. Just as the kids were able to get alcohol and drugs, they could also get contraception if they wanted to.

What you are talking about was decades earlier, as in the turn of the century. And the early condoms really sucked and were not very reliable. Especially prior to wide spread availability of vulcanized rubber condoms. In my collection of vintage stag films I even have one that was from 1924, and it was actually tied onto the penis.

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DBActive 🚫

@Mushroom

What you are talking about was decades earlier, as in the turn of the century. And the early condoms really sucked and were not very reliable. Especially prior to wide spread availability of vulcanized rubber condoms. In my collection of vintage stag films I even have one that was from 1924, and it was actually tied onto the penis.

That would be a lambskin condom: you secure them with a drawstring. They are still available and are just as effective in preventing pregnancy as synthetic condoms.

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Mushroom 🚫

@DBActive

They are still available and are just as effective in preventing pregnancy as synthetic condoms.

But also are not safe for use if STDs are a risk.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@PotomacBob

My novel "The Nymphomaniac" begins in 1956. When Elvis appeared on the Milton Berle show.

Did you know that KY jelly was only available in prescription back then?

Yeah, a lot was different in 1956. But not as different as in my novel "Lonely War Widows" which begins with the U.S. invasion of Italy in WWII or my novel "The Breeder" which takes place in the 1880s.

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PotomacBob 🚫

@Switch Blayde

"The Nymphomaniac" sounds like it will hit most of the themes I suggested. I will begin reading it. Thanks for pointing me to it.

XofDallas 🚫
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@PotomacBob

The Richard Jackson Saga begins in the late 50's (not sure of the precise times, but Eisenhower was president). Coming of age story that turned into an alternate history/sci-fi story. Several books now (16?) but an excellent read. Author is Banadin.

Replies:   Unicornzvi
Unicornzvi 🚫

@XofDallas

While I'll second the recommendation of the Richard Jackson saga as an entertaining AU / fantasy series, if you are looking for a story dealing with historically accurate 1955...that's not the story you want.

As Banadin says "it is all true, Give or take a lie or two."

hiltonls16 🚫

@PotomacBob

Not sure when they go back to, but in Lazlo Zalezac's Emend by Eclipse has the main characters have to remember their teenage years didn't have many of the things they'd got used to in later life.

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Radagast 🚫

@hiltonls16

1970s oil shock for their reboot.

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Grey Wolf 🚫

@Radagast

And an awful lot of the plot involves using the Hunt Brothers' silver manipulation attempt for the enrichment of the characters.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Grey Wolf

That would be my go-to way to make money in that era. It was a crazy time for sure.

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sunseeker 🚫
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@Mushroom

and betting on team USA to win gold in 1980 Olympics (1000-1 odds)! Got that plus the silver boom, then Birkshire Hathaway to start me off in my do-over I'm slowly writing...

Edit- I shoulda said team USA Hockey lol

SunSeeker

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awnlee jawking 🚫

@sunseeker

and betting on team USA to win gold in 1980 Olympics (1000-1 odds)!

What was so remarkable about the USA winning a gold medal in 1980? Surely they won bucketloads?

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde  sunseeker
Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

What was so remarkable about the USA winning a gold medal in 1980?

The hockey gold. The "Miracle on Ice."

sunseeker 🚫

@Switch Blayde

correct

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

The hockey gold.

You should also specify ice hockey.

According to the Olympics website, India won the hockey gold.

Hockey is a global sport and played in more countries than ice hockey.

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde  sunseeker
Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

You should also specify ice hockey.

I did specify the "Miracle on Ice."

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awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I did specify the "Miracle on Ice."

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post :-(

AJ

sunseeker 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Guess I shoulda said "winter olympics" and "Lake Placid" as you looked up "Summer" and "Moscow". I'm Canadian so I didn't think of it.

I always though the "other hockey" which India won was known called "field hockey"...

Oh well, c'est la vie...

SunSeeker

sunseeker 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I forgot to add "hockey" lol

SunSeeker

Mushroom 🚫

@PotomacBob

What if an adult in 2025 were sent back to live life over arriving at age 14 in 1955? The significance of that date is that it the MC would be living his or her high school years beginning 4 or 5 years BEFORE the birth control pill. Eisenhower was president, rock n roll was just getting started, car culture was dominant, age of consent in many states was much lower than today, and the Civil Rights movement was in its earliest stages.

This is all essentially where the author needs to have more than a passing awareness of the era, and take the time to do some additional research first.

For example, actually take the time to go through the pop charts of the era to know what songs were actually popular. As well as movies and TV shows. And as this is 1955, one also can not forget the radio shows. In most of the country, radio was still far more popular than TV in that decade.

And it would also matter where the story is set. Yes, this is the start of the Civil Rights era. But such things would have much less of an impact in say San Diego or Buffalo than they would in Atlanta or Birmingham.

And there was still lots of sex before the pill came out. Condoms were readily available in almost any gas station bathroom vending machine, and there are other methods.

But the Space Race was already starting. Operation Paperclip had already spawned the Redstone Rocket by 1952, and it was already influencing a lot of popular culture.

So yes, a lot of research needs to be done. I have written more than a few stories set long before I was born, and in each of them I did a lot of research first. Everything from fashion trends and modes of transportation to pop culture, slang used, and much else.

In fact, pretty much for any I have written before WWII I had to put in a glossary at the end, or else much of the phrases used would not have made much sense to a modern reader. Otherwise some might understand what a "sangar" or "scumbag" was from the way it was used, but not really get it. And yes, both of those were slang terms a century ago for a condom. One now out of use, the other obsolete and means something else today.

I actually have one I am writing set in that era, and it is an interesting time. TV was just coming into it's own, and there were actually four TV networks at the time. ABC, NBC, CBS, and DuMont (which largely morphed into Metromedia, and ultimately Fox). TV was largely restricted to the bigger cities, so most people in the US still got their entertainment from Radio. Gunsmoke, Dragnet, Amos & Andy, and 1955 would be the end of the long running Jack Benny show.

So yes, a lot of research would be needed, or else it will simply come across as "1950s in name only".

Replies:   Switch Blayde  LonelyDad
Switch Blayde 🚫
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@Mushroom

I did a lot of research first. Everything from fashion trends and modes of transportation to pop culture, slang used

Yeah, in my "The Nymphomaniac" novel I had to look up slang the beatniks used since one of the girl's teachers was a beatnik living in Greenwich Village. I also had to look up the clubs in the Village at the time and who performed in them. The clubs I went to in the Village in the late 1960s and early 1970s didn't exist in the 1950s. And they were folk, rather than jazz.

And don't forget about characters' names. I check for common names in the era the character was born. When the character was born, not at the time of the story. It was when their parents' named them.

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Mushroom 🚫

@Switch Blayde

And don't forget about characters' names. I check for common names in the era the character was born. When the character was born, not at the time of the story. It was when their parents' named them.

That is actually something I generally do for all my stories. I have written several "Period pieces", and always try to get the right names matched up with their ages.

One of the stereotypical name fads of my generation is the segment that were beatnicks and proto-hippies that started to name their kids in interesting ways. Which is why by the start of the 1980s, you had all these kids named things like Heather, Star, Moon, Light, Faun, Ivy, Aurora, Nova, Autumn, Meadow, Willow, and things like that.

And yes, just like in one of my stories I knew a girl who's legal birth name was "Bunny". She was smart and had skipped a grade, so she was in High School with us born right before with far more "normal" names" And she commonly joked if somebody teased her for her name they should be glad their parents were not early hippies.

And I have met many similar over the decades. In the early 1990s I worked with a guy, and one day I asked him if his mom was a big "Dark Shadows" fan and he admitted she loved the show. He was about 4 years younger than me, and named "Quentin". A rather unusual name, other than for fans of the show (And yes, I have met at least two of that age named Barnabas).

And I have a cousin with two kids. And you can for sure tell what her favorite soap opera was when they were born because she named them "Luke" and "Laura".

Switch Blayde 🚫
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@Mushroom

I asked him if his mom was a big "Dark Shadows" fan

That goes the other way too. My mother's name was Bella. Born in 1919. Not a common name in my lifetime until "Twilight" and then everyone was naming their daughter Bella.

TheDarkKnight 🚫

@Mushroom

Knew a girl in high school who's name was Mary Wey (pronounced Way), and yes, she heard all the jokes. Still makes you wonder what her parents were thinking.

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Switch Blayde 🚫

@TheDarkKnight

makes you wonder what her parents were thinking.

The woman in the hospital maternity ward bed next to my wife gave birth to a girl. She named her Mary Chris. She knew exactly what she was doing. Her last name was Moss. Mary Chris Moss.

solitude 🚫

@TheDarkKnight

Still makes you wonder what her parents were thinking.

Sometimes it is too late for the parents... my sister had a friend whose siblings were much older and whose father was Mr. Stake, which meant she was (a) Miss Stake.

LonelyDad 🚫

@Mushroom

And as this is 1955, one also can not forget the radio shows. In most of the country, radio was still far more popular than TV in that decade.

And it was a time of three networks, only if one lived in a reasonably populated area, as many parts of the west were lucky if they had one station,if that. I can remember reading about the lengths some areas had to go to to even get that one station. We're talking about serious antennas and towers, since that single station my be 100 or more miles away. That was actually one of the forerunners of cable TV. And the broadcast day usually ended at midnight, if not sooner.

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jimq2 🚫

@LonelyDad

In 1954 Pittsburgh, PA, only had 3 TV stations, and one of them actually had cartoons on Saturday morning. Had to wait for the test pattern to go away cause the broadcast didn't start until 6am. When we moved to NJ the next year, we were halfway between NYC & Philadelphia. We got 5 channels from NYC, and 4 from Phily. Of course, often during prime time the network stations were the same on the NYC & Phily channels.

Radagast 🚫

@PotomacBob

A couple of John Wales stories have him returning to 1950s Canada as a preteen. 'stealing' soon to be invented tech, pop songs and Star Wars are plot points.

sunseeker 🚫
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@PotomacBob

came across this one when going through time travel tag.

Tempus Frangit by Denham Forrest

https://storiesonline.net/s/74876/tempus-frangit

"Our hero wakes one morning to discover that his life is about to change in ways he could never imagine. A little 1950's time travel fun I wrote a couple of years back."

SunSeeker

Unicornzvi 🚫

@PotomacBob

So does anyone know of a DoOver story other than https://storiesonline.net/s/75651/a-new-past where the MC gets rich without lots of betting of remembering future events?

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Radagast 🚫

@Unicornzvi

https://storiesonline.net/s/53355/pauls-redemption

itsmehonest 🚫

@PotomacBob

The Chance β€” a series by Old Man with a Pen
The life and Death of David…more than once.

Replies:   Unicornzvi
Unicornzvi 🚫

@itsmehonest

Thanks, apparently Past-Me agrees that's a great series, which is weird because I don't remember anything about it...

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