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ralord82276 🚫

Looking for stories that are NOT do-overs, NOT time-travel, etc.. that has the MC become successful due to using their brains. Might qualify as Rags-to-riches but doesn't have to.

Examples include The Earl's Man by FantasyLover or the Richard Jackson Saga by Banadin.

Preference leans towards stories set in a pre-Industrialized setting. Thanks for any recommendations.

LonelyDad 🚫

@ralord82276

The Millionaire Next Door by Lazlo Zalezac

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@LonelyDad

I know people love that story but I thought it was amazingly boring and probably the author's least interesting.

The Outsider 🚫
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@ralord82276

Tooting my own horn again, but my "A Charmed Life" has the main character investing in a home fusion company owned by one of his math teacher mother's company and hitting it big when the company takes OFF.

LAZ has already said he doesn't have a problem with me emailing EPUBs to people. They're still available on Bookapy, too. I had to take them down here (and on FS) because of problems at home...

It's only PART of the story, and it's also an alternate history story, but a self-made person is part of it...

The Outsider
theoutsider3119@gmail.com

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Unicornzvi 🚫

@The Outsider

Assuming you're talking about https://zbookstore.com/s/675/a-charmed-life-knox-1 I suggest you rewrite the blurb, right now it looks like the most generic coming of age sports hero story possible

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫
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@Unicornzvi

It probably is... I'll try redoing the blurb, but since my muse has run away, screaming, it might be a bit...

EDIT: Upon reflection, the blurb has been the same for almost a decade, a published, dead-tree author has positively commented on it, and this is the first "complaint" I have received about it.

I will NOT be changing the blurb. You can read something else if you don't like it, or write your own story...

EDIT 2: @Unicornzvi's quote: "Assuming you're talking about https://zbookstore.com/s/675/a-charmed-life-knox-1 I suggest you rewrite the blurb, right now it looks like the most generic coming of age sports hero story possible..." @Unicornzvi has been blocked. I don't care...

I ain't changing S__T...

EDIT 3: I need to stop WASTING my time with this BS, but NOT ONCE does the ACL blurb mention sports. NOT ONCE. @Unicornzvi, you messed with the wrong person. EAT S__T! Thirty years of 911 EMS has left me with next to NO patience for stupid people (like the people who called 911 for an ambulance because they thought they'd get seen faster in the ER - Hint: you WON'T. You'll go to the back of the line faster, that's it. You better be the sickest person there if you want to be seen first...)

So, @Unicornzvi, don't read another one of my stories. Don't COMMENT on another one of my stories. Shut your F-ING pie hole, you ignorant piece of trash. Again, @Unicornzvi, you don't like it? You want to "suggest" changes without providing coherent suggestions? Get bent, a--hole!

To the rest of the folks here, I apologize for my attitude, but I have no time (or, maybe TOO MUCH time) for BS like this.

Replies:   Unicornzvi  Vincent Berg  julka
Unicornzvi 🚫

@The Outsider

Didn't expect you to take it like that. My point was your description of the story here makes we want to read the story, and the sample you have on zbookstore looks interesting. The blurb you have? Doesn't.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@Unicornzvi

That's also valid, though it could have been better phrased.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@The Outsider

Yeah, we've all had those moments ourselves (us old-timers at least, as the younger folk still believe their invincible, even as reality keeps undermining their argument).

If someone undermines your mental health, it's best excluding them from your feed/discussions, as listening to their rants will only undermine you, never helping in the least. As always, there are lovers and there are haters, and haters just gotta hate!

The Outsider 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Metal playground slides under a blazing sun, launching yourself off of swings at their highest point, cap guns, riding bikes without helmets... I'm surprised we made it out of preschool, honestly...

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@The Outsider

Metal playground slides under a blazing sun, launching yourself off of swings at their highest point, cap guns, riding bikes without helmets... I'm surprised we made it out of preschool, honestly...

You forgot the best of all, metal tipped lawn darts.

Replies:   sunseeker  The Outsider
sunseeker 🚫
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@ystokes

You forgot the best of all, metal tipped lawn darts.

was a great game til idiocy took over...stupid people ruin many a good thing!

SunSeeker

The Outsider 🚫

@ystokes

How I miss Jarts! My cousins and I used to have so much fun playing that!

Michael Loucks 🚫

@Vincent Berg

If someone undermines your mental health, it's best excluding them from your feed/discussions, as listening to their rants will only undermine you, never helping in the leas

Usenet killlists were invaluable to hide the truly insane posters in my newsfeeds.

The Outsider 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Thank you for your words; I've always enjoyed reading your intelligent views on the various subjects here in the forums.

I blocked that other person immediately upon reading his "response," but didn't stop thinking about it, or sleeping well, until I wrote MY answer. (Yeah, I think Tommy Shaw and Styx sang "Angry Young Man" about me... I've always had a bit of a temper issue...)

My emotions (especially my anger) are simmering just under the surface these days. It's getting harder to bite my tongue... (Maybe I need a heavy bag?)

Again, thank you.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@The Outsider

I do that all the time. I'e always eaten fast (a family of four with three brothers, one sister and two dogs served on a Lazy Susan, as the youngest, I was lucky to get much of anything. So when I bite myself, it get quite the welt (infection city when in your mouth), so afterwards, I'm even more likely to bite myself, often several times over several days, as the welt keep growing.

Eating slower would help, yet the oldest habits are often the hardest to break (i.e. they're deeply ingrained).

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

My freshman year at college, the guys on my hall joked about walking somewhere with me. They said I used to "blue shift…"

Hey, when you're as tall as me and have long legs, you tend to have a long stride…

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@The Outsider

Thanks, as I've never heard that particular usage before. I'll have to remember it.

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

Yeah, it's an astronomical term (red shift is used to describe something rapidly moving towards you)...

This was engineering school, so we were a bunch of geeks...

awnlee jawking 🚫

@The Outsider

Hey, when you're as tall as me and have long legs, you tend to have a long stride…

A longer stride would equate to a longer wavelength, so surely it should be a 'red shift.

AJ

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@awnlee jawking

You're probably right about this. My memory is terrible these days, but maybe they were talking about me walking quickly TOWARDS them when I got back the dorm?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@The Outsider

maybe they were talking about me walking quickly TOWARDS them when I got back the dorm?

IIRC quickly towards would result in a blue shift.

Just ignore me - I've been grappling with a brainhurty maths/programming problem.

AJ

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I gotcha beat these days, unfortunately… your problem seems like a temporary thing (if I'm interpreting it correctly), where as mine is a chronic issue…

julka 🚫

@The Outsider

I need to stop WASTING my time with this BS, but NOT ONCE does the ACL blurb mention sports. NOT ONCE.

"Sports" is one of the tags, which is fairly plausibly considered to be part of the blurb.

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫
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@julka

That's true; my eyes skipped over that... The written text part of the blurb, obviously, doesn't mention sports at all, but you are correct.

Still, that "person" is solidly in my sights, and the focus of my anger. Like I said earlier, the blurb has been the same for over a decade, unchanged, and I've NEVER received any "complaint" about it.

Wanna see me get even angrier? Have him call me an "ambulance driver..." My state has NEVER had that title for someone in my line of work. It'd be like that stupid fast-food worker saying she deserved a higher hourly wage than EMTs did because she "did more" while she (and her colleagues) did their jobs...

Again, this is NOT aimed at YOU, and I'm sorry for my tone. Health issues with no definitive answers over the last year have left me very brittle. Why my wife is still with me is one of life's true mysteries...

Replies:   julka  Crumbly Writer
julka 🚫

@The Outsider

Nah, I know you're not mad at me; his observation on the blurb was for sure unsolicited and pretty indelicately worded. I just like to see people taken to task correctly, and he was not off his rocker to identify that the blurb indicated sports was a part of the story, especially with the way zbookstore formats the tags to be part of the same textual element as the summary.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@The Outsider

That seems to have been a habitual blight of authors. True, many had quite famous marriages, yet those are what we commonly refer to as 'long-suffering' marriages, where the spouse anxiously awaits our showing or head in between our more 'creative' spurts. My ex still curses my name, despite calling me several times a week, as she says "there's just no living with you!"

It's hard to be present in a marriage when your head and heard are constantly in a massage fictional universe with make believe people.

Michael Loucks 🚫

@ralord82276

My 'Climbing the Ladder' series is in the genre you seek, though in the 1980s, so pre-internet, but not pre-industrial.

Replies:   sunseeker
sunseeker 🚫

@Michael Loucks

I'll second this one! Even though I'm impatiently waiting for the next book in the series! I ain't getting any younger ML lol! Seriously though a great, entertaining series!

https://storiesonline.net/series/1619/climbing-the-ladder

SunSeeker

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫
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@sunseeker

I ain't getting any younger ML lol!

Thanks for the endorsement. I'm writing as quickly as I'm able.

I have over 40 chapters available via my support sites; the book is about half done.

Replies:   sunseeker
sunseeker 🚫

@Michael Loucks

Yep I know about your support sites but sadly inflation where I live has made me cut almost all "non-essentials" from my budget for the time being. Kicking coffee was hard the first few months let me tell ya!

I am looking forward to the book and will do my best to wait more patiently lol. Thanks for writing it!

SunSeeker

Michael Loucks 🚫

@sunseeker

Yep I know about your support sites but sadly inflation where I live has made me cut almost all "non-essentials" from my budget for the time being.

You are not the only one, and raising prices isn't really an option for me, given that would likely create a downward spiral in patrons.

In any event, all AWLL universe stories (i.e. AWLL, GM, CTL) will always be available for free on SOL (well, until some future day when my heirs may decide to allow them to go behind the premium access limitation).

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@sunseeker

sadly inflation where I live has made me cut almost all "non-essentials" from my budget for the time being. Kicking coffee was hard the first few months let me tell ya!

OMG! 😱 😲 😱

I thought I was having difficulties, but at Least I can still afford Coffee ☕ 😬
It might be lower quality Coffee, not the Whole Bean Coffees that I grind fresh myself ☕ 😅

But, Dang!

I have been through Coffee Withdrawal once. "Just Once!" as Johnny Dangerous said.

During some military Training. It wasn't intentional by the Cadre. I didn't Know what was Wrong with Me, and I Didn't Care about my Peers! One of my fellow NCOs went off on one of the Cadre! That senior NCO looked around and asked, "When did you guys Last drink Coffee?"

It had been 36 hours, and we were All Wrecked, angry 😠 😤 unfocused, and lethargic, Headaches too!

Taught me a Lesson about Addiction. If Coffee ☕ Withdrawal is that Bad, I can only imagine other Addictions! 😐

May you soon have it Better, Sunseeker!!!

sunseeker 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Thanks Paladin, I'm praying that things get better for all of us...

SunSeeker

ystokes 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

For the life of me I can't understand people's obsession with coffee. I am one of the few and proud to say I have never had a Starbuck's coffee. I have one cup of Folger's a day.

The Outsider 🚫

@ystokes

I didn't start drinking coffee until I started in EMS. Then, when I got hired at the pinnacle (near me) of 911 paramedic EMS, I tried to keep up with someone who drank 4 to 5 large Dunkin Donuts coffees a day and carried chocolate-covered espresso beans to back that up...

Hint: shaking from caffeine overload is not good when you're trying to start an IV...

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@The Outsider

Hint: shaking from caffeine overload is not good when you're trying to start an IV...

Was your nickname "The Pincushion"?

awnlee jawking 🚫

@ystokes

Wouldn't the patient be 'The Pincushion'?

How about 'The Acupuncturist'?

AJ

The Outsider 🚫

@ystokes

It's funny, but I call every Saturday that now, because I go to acupuncture. "Pincushion Day..."

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@The Outsider

I've tried all the various acupuncture 'needles', yet I've always preferred the plain wooden ones or the electrical ones over those dreaded 'steel' needles! The feel of steel entering your flesh is just not a natural feeling. It's fine for needles, yet for something that sits there for a period of time, just not happening, for me at least.

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

Then, there are the self-administered intramuscular injections I give myself every Saturday before the dreaded metal acupuncture needles (I don't know if I've ever had the wooden ones...)

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@The Outsider

Since they're wider, they don't stick in as far, thus it's an entirely different sensation.

(My ex was an acupuncturist, yet more importantly, I've always had so many major health issues, anytime I'd go into an acupuncture training center, I'd get the best case, as it's a golden opportunity for the instructors to expose their students to the cases they'd rarely ever see otherwise).

So now, on the few opportunities I even both with the local clinicians, they can't do much, never having been exposed to that more-intense level of care.

Speaking of which, I'm guessing it's time to visit either NYC or Atlanta. Though again, you really need an 'in' by someone who's actively working in those sites, otherwise you make an appointment and see whoever happens to be available—which is often even worse. Shall we say 'adequate to the extreme'? ;)

By the way, crossing posts again, don't ever drink espresso before visiting an acupuncture clinic, as it won't go well, as 'wired' is the last thing they want.

Replies:   The Outsider
The Outsider 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

Thankfully, that (espresso) won't be a problem these days; no more coffee for this kid… too many medical problems these days…

I used to work EMS near some teaching hospitals, and enjoyed (mostly) helping students out (I mean, when else will they treat someone as screwed up as me?)

The Outsider 🚫

@ystokes

And, thankfully, it never got that bad, because I stopped trying to keep up with him REAL quick...

jimq2 🚫

@ystokes

Even after college and 15 years as an over the road truck driver, I never developed a taste for coffee. I got many free fresh mugs of tea and hot chocolate when the waitress would walk down the counter and just top off all the mugs. One morning I heard, "OOPS, that was tea," 4 times.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@ystokes

There's a new study out that highlights that certain people have NO hangover from drinking at all! That has long been unheard of, yet if it doesn't bug you in the least, why even bother bitching about it—thus is goes unnoticed.

Yet there's likely a similar gene related to coffee. It's not an immunity, it's just that they're don't suffer the side effects like the rest of us do. Then again, the fact you drink Folgers is more indicative that you just don't benefit from caffeine the way the rest of us do.

Still, the fact that you're 'happy' with Folger's is like a knife to the chest for us die-hard coffee fanatics, who live by the stuff! ;)

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

I learned long ago, if you do have issues with coffee—especially as you get older—then simply restrict it to early mornings. Unfortunately, for those with high-blood pressure, the 'decaf' coffees actually worsen the problem rather than resolving. So if 'decaf' works for you, great, yet if it doesn't, then avoid it at all costs!

For me, I have a definite 4pm cut off, so I mostly quit drinking coffee (or any caffeine-based product) by 3pm and I'm fine.

hiltonls16 🚫
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@ralord82276

Lazlo Zalezac's The Future of Miss Powers might suit you.

Radagast 🚫

@ralord82276

https://storiesonline.net/s/71419/cecil-corliss-young-investor

limab 🚫

@ralord82276

Try Vacation by Dual Writer

Replies:   jimq2
jimq2 🚫

@limab

And everything that follows in the 16 Florida Friends stories.

itsmehonest 🚫

@ralord82276

SmokingDriver has:
17th Birthday
Nick i&II
Son of a Sailor

FantasyLover has a few, my favorite is Goatherd

Replies:   LonelyDad
LonelyDad 🚫

@itsmehonest

I think Fantasy Lover's Lucky Jim series applies too, although in the last one he wasn't starting from scratch.

Replies:   AmigaClone
AmigaClone 🚫

@LonelyDad

I think Fantasy Lover's Lucky Jim series applies too, although in the last one he wasn't starting from scratch.

Technically, none of the Lucky Jim's started from scratch. On the other hand, what they had at the start was insignificant compared to what they had at the end of their story.

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@ralord82276

The search category you want for this is "Rags to Riches". I'm not sure when the tag was added so there may be stories without the tag.

However, there's a problem in that the further back you go, the less social mobility exists. A pre-industrial rags-to-riches story would be hard to justify in a realistic way since class determined your career options and money couldn't buy class.

So there are some good historical stories on SOL and some good rags to riches stories, but not many realistic rags to riches historical stories. It's a tough combination.

As a test, I did a search of SOL with both the "Rags to Riches" and "Historical" tags. There were 24 results. Ten use time travel of some form (including the restart tag, which you missed). Only one of these is truly pre-industrial and there are two more which are borderline:

"Joerg Isebrand" by Argon takes place in the early 16th century [https://storiesonline.net/universe/620/knights-and-commoners].

"Low Country Slave Boy" by ChrisCross begins in 1773 [https://storiesonline.net/s/20109/low-country-slave-boy].

Finally, "The Adventures of Young Will Potter" by Argon starts in 1795 when the protagonist is 16 [https://storiesonline.net/n/32649/the-adventures-of-young-will].

There are a handful that take place in the mid-19th century, mostly Westerns, then the rest are 20th century.

Ignoring the historical aspect, I'll mention aroslav's "Living Next Door to Heaven" (https://storiesonline.net/series/1620/living-next-door-to-heaven) as a fun modern rags to riches/ coming of age type story. Note that it's also poly/harem and has some mild fantasy elements not listed in the tags (ie, magical kung fu powers). This is not a major focus of the story, but it does come as a bit of a surprise when it shows up.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@Dicrostonyx

A pre-industrial rags-to-riches story would be hard to justify in a realistic way since class determined your career options and money couldn't buy class.

Simony worked, and bishos could grow quite wealthy.

It was also possible to buy noble titles. There is evidence of the sale and purchase of noble titles back to the 13th Century.

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@Michael Loucks

It was also possible to buy noble titles. There is evidence of the sale and purchase of noble titles back to the 13th Century.

Yes, but if you're wealthy enough to buy a title or marry your children off to nobles, then it's hardly a self-made success/ rags to riches story.

My point was that a character who starts off as a poor peasant or equivalent won't have many options to become wealthy on their own merits because those doors will be closed to them due to class. At least in Europe. I don't know much about the Caliphates and Asia in that period.

Michael Loucks 🚫
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@Dicrostonyx

However, there's a problem in that the further back you go, the less social mobility exists. A pre-industrial rags-to-riches story would be hard to justify in a realistic way since class determined your career options and money couldn't buy class.

You wrote:

money couldn't buy class

Which is what I was responding to. Money absolutely could buy class. A merchant could by a title, moving from the merchant class to the nobility. THAT is what I was responding to — the blanket incorrect statement.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Dicrostonyx

That was more of a class/social-order thing. As those who 'made their fortunes' were generally treated like scum, even as the 'old families' depended on them to keep them afloat. It you were of a higher social class, then you were automatically superior to the 'common' laborers.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Michael Loucks

And once upon a time the wealthy could also buy absolution (i.e. 'buying your way into heaven', no matter what you may do afterwards). After all, those huge cathedrals don't just build themselves, yet the church still needed to mere peons to fill those pews.

anim8ed 🚫

@ralord82276

Pelle the Collier by Argon

This is the story of Pelle the Collier; how he saved Birkenhain lands and avenged his father and his liege lord. It is also the story of Ingeburg, the late Baron's beautiful bastard daughter, who was banned from the castle as a small girl. 14th century fiction!

samuelmichaels 🚫

@ralord82276

You also had cases of people becoming warriors (including vikings in the right era and geography) and being successful enough to eventually join the lower nobility through combat, especially during times of turbulence. Of course the chances of that for an untrained peasant were about the same as high school football player becoming a professional, but still.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@samuelmichaels

about the same as high school football player becoming a professional, but still.

A HS friend who graduated the same year I did played several years in the NFL. Definitely the exception, not the rule.

The Outsider 🚫

@ralord82276

Please see my updated response(s) near the top of this page.

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