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How to distance from an author

oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

I have 'agreed' to edit a story for an author. I made the mistake of not reading his previous posts.

After reading his story (before editing) I find that the story while interesting and IMHO quite well written; given the subject matter; makes me very uncomfortable. I agreed in principle to look at his other stuff, but see that they all have the same tags.

I do not want to discourage the author, but the stories are not ones I would read on purpose, but if I started to read them, I would never finish.

I have already told the author of my misgivings. He does need an editor, just not me

HELP

CAT the Oldgrump

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

I think you did the right thing. Part ways amiably.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I think you did the right thing. Part ways amiably.

I've had several editors sit out stories based on the story content, many after initially agreeing to it. It's not a 'drop dead', 'don't ever speak to me again' issue, it's simply a matter of personal taste and it's typically a squick issue, which the author should already be aware of. If he doesn't, he's going to be rudely awakened when his story posts!

tendertouch ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

It sounds like you did the right thing.

I was once approached by an author to edit one of his stories. I'd never read any of his stuff so I took a quick look and I think *every* one of his stories involved cheating. I told him that I don't read or edit stories with cheating and he swore up and down that this new story didn't involve any.

He lied through his teeth - the story was centered around a cheating soul mate.

Replies:   Grey Wolf
Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@tendertouch

I agree; part ways amiably. If any of my volunteer editors decided they wanted out for any reason, I'd thank them, credit them if they wished to be credited (and limit credit to areas they worked on if requested), and move on, soliciting additional assistance if necessary.

No one is obligated (unless there's a contract) to read material for any reason, and particularly not if that material is something they are not comfortable reading (for whatever reason).

BluDraygn ๐Ÿšซ

@tendertouch

Wow that's pretty low that they would do that to you. I'm looking for an editor now and tbh I would like them to read some of my other works first and if they don't like the content then no hard feelings. If someone is kind enough to be my editor on a volunteer basis at the very least I want them to enjoy what they are reading.

Goldfisherman ๐Ÿšซ

I think enjoying what you are reading would be the first requisite for either a volunteer proofreader or a volunteer editor. The stories that are not enjoyable should be reserved for paid editors. Of course they are screening for books to publish.
My son used to have a pay schedule for proofreading and editing. He gave it up as none of the stories were palatable.
He does enjoy some of mine though, but only selected ones, that I select.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Goldfisherman

I think enjoying what you are reading would be the first requisite for either a volunteer proofreader or a volunteer editor

Oddly, no.

Ideally, for the editor, the work is neither overly enjoyable (this can lead to distraction from the task at hand) nor objectionable (this can lead to not wanting to continue the task at hand).

Treating the two extremes as the only options, of course enjoyable would win. Inoffensive, however, occupies the middle ground.

Replies:   JoeBobMack
JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

Emotional intelligence research suggests we are better at spotting mistakes when we are in a neutral or negative mood. We are better at generating ideas when we are in a positive emotional state. Thus, if an author is looking for someone to spot mistakes - typos, grammar errors, maybe even story inconsistencies, the editor would likely need to avoid editing when overly positive. (I read somewhere about editors who have read authors they really enjoy just for the enjoyment first, then maybe another time or two to be able to edit.)

On the other hand, an author looking for developmental ideas might need someone who enjoyed the work.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

Or get someone bipolar to fill both roles.

TeNderLoin ๐Ÿšซ

The most wonderful thing about being a VOLUNTEER editor, is that you get to be picky about what you edit. If you don't like the subject material, then simply tell the author that you do not edit his type of story (PC-ers can eat shit. "HIS" is the proper generic term).

Replies:   Remus2  Grey Wolf
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@TeNderLoin

PC-ers can eat shit. "HIS" is the proper generic term

You know it's not healthy to hold in discontent. So why don't you tell us how you really feel?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

So why don't you tell us how you really feel?

Mostly with my fingers.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Mostly with my fingers

Sorry to hear about the nerve damage everywhere but your hands.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69


Sorry to hear about the nerve damage everywhere but your hands.

Do you expect me to feel around in the dark in my bedroom with my nose?

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

No. But I'd expect that when you feel cold, if it's only in your fingers, you have circulation problems. If you fuck a chick, it's sad you don't feel anything from the waist down.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

No. But I'd expect that when you feel cold, if it's only in your fingers, you have circulation problems.

When you are cold, you should feel it in the extremities first (fingers and toes).

I try to warm up before it gets further than that.

If you fuck a chick, it's sad you don't feel anything from the waist down.


I'm not a man slut and I don't spend 99% of my time having sex so, I'm still feeling mostly with my fingers while still having plenty of feeling below the waist.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

You spend a lot of time nude in a sensory deprivation tank too, so you never feel a breeze, or the movement of cloth.on your skin, you never feel tired or hungry or angry or sad or....?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

so you never feel a breeze

These days I speed too much time indoors for that.

You are spending an awful lot of time criticizing something that was thrown out as a joke.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@TeNderLoin

Got into this on another thread.

The use of 'they' as a singular gender-neutral pronoun has been a part of English usage since the 14th century. Starting in the 18th century and reaching a peak in the mid-20th century, prescriptive grammarians (particularly in the United States; less so in other English-speaking countries) waged war on 'they', fighting to replace it with 'he'. By the 1970s, the grammar community was already starting to reconsider 'they'. By the mid-1980s many educators were teaching 'they' as correct.

Many highly-regarded authors (Shaw, Wilde, Shakespeare, Dickens, Chesterfield, Thackeray, Huxley) used they as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

As with many (in my opinion counterproductive) prescriptive-grammarian fads, the deprecation of 'they' was partly based on the utterly inane theory that English be more like Latin. English derives from many languages; Latin and other Romance languages are hardly the primary origins of English grammar.

It's hardly simply 'PC' usage, nor is 'his' the 'proper' term. Use whichever you want; in the absence of a style guide, neither is 'wrong'. However, attacking gender-neutral singular 'they' as a modern 'PC' usage ignores hundreds of years of history.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

The use of 'they' as a singular gender-neutral pronoun has been a part of English usage since the 14th century. Starting in the 18th century and reaching a peak in the mid-20th century

Even at it's peak, there were many dissenters against a singular they.

For my self, a singular they was what I was taught in school, but I just can't make in sound right in my head, so I became a dissenter and largely refuse to use it.

However, attacking gender-neutral singular 'they' as a modern 'PC' usage ignores hundreds of years of history.


Very true.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

hundreds of years of history.

I seem to remember reading some "thee, thou, thy and thine" as pronouns. "They" seems to fit right in. Pro nouns get paid, amateur nouns don't.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

Pro nouns get paid, amateur nouns don't.

And grinning dicks get to be the mole in a game of whack-a-mole.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

For my self, a singular they was what I was taught in school, but I just can't make in sound right in my head, so I became a dissenter and largely refuse to use it.

And I have no problem with that. It's fine to not use it (and use 'he', or 'he/she', or some other construction), in the absence of a style guide. Obviously, there's the audience to consider; if you're writing for an audience who expect it, that's a de facto 'style guide' too.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

nor is 'his' the 'proper' term.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think Grammar Girl said in formal English the correct way is "he or she."

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

but I think Grammar Girl said in formal English the correct way is "he or she."

I don't think that would be right as a substitute for his, it would be "his or hers".

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think Grammar Girl said in formal English the correct way is "he or she."

It may be cultural. Allegedly 'they' has a very long history as a gender-neutral English singular pronoun. Its usage declined, but in these snowflake times it has undergone a resurgence.

If Grammar Girl says 'he or she' is formally correct, she must be basing her advice on the period when the use of 'they' declined, so probably the last century.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son  joyR  Grey Wolf
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Allegedly 'they' has a very long history as a gender-neutral English singular pronoun.

This is true, but even way back in Shakespeare's day, there was a significant split over the validity of the use of they as singular gender unknown.

It does have a long history, but the controversy over it goes back just as far, the singular use of they has never been uncontroversial.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Allegedly 'they' has a very long history as a gender-neutral English singular pronoun. Its usage declined, but in these snowflake times it has undergone a resurgence.

The point of using 'they' as a singular pronoun isn't that it is gender neutral, but that the gender is unknown, so using 'he' or 'she' would be guessing at the gender.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Its usage declined, but in these snowflake times it has undergone a resurgence.

Providing a bit of context: in 1986 or so, at a quite conservative-leaning university, both my English and Technical Writing professors taught that 'they' was the proper term and that using 'he' or 'he and she' was unprofessional and should be avoided. I'm not sure if 1986 counts as 'snowflake times', particularly at school which despised 'snowflakes'.

A campus joke at the time was that we had no 'Liberal Arts' department but rather a 'Conservative Arts' department.

anna ๐Ÿšซ

deserves an lol

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