When a new post is added to a thread, when you show "All Threads by Date" it goes from being grayed out to not being gray with a green dot to notify the user there's something new. That's great.
I think when a post is deleted, it treats it the same way as if a new post is added. The thread is no longer gray and has a green dot. I don't know if this is intentional so I thought I'd mention it.
And when it's the last post added and then deleted the header still reports (Last: ) from the poster that did the post/delete.
That feature can be quite useful!
All programmers (including me): It's not a bug, it's a feature!
All programmers (including me): It's not a bug, it's a feature!
The coronavirus 'feature' is one I could well do without :(
AJ
Unless you're infected, you are doing without. Those of us in one or more of the risk categories especially can "do without". Hopefully, we all can continue to "do without".
Unless you're infected, you are doing without.
In the UK, everyone is affected by the crisis whether infected or not :(
AJ
In the UK
I suppose there is a remote village somewhere that is not affected by the virus, but give it time and it will get there. It is already affecting most of the world. :)
I suppose there is a remote village somewhere that is not affected by the virus, but give it time and it will get there.
That's not the point.
The point is that in the UK, the US, and a lot of other countries, government overreaction to something that is in generally only slightly worse than the seasonal flu is going to destroy the economy which will affect everyone for years even after the pandemic is over.
You want to see and understand the effect it has had on Italy.
It all sounds so simple, but the sheer number of the seriously ill totally overwhelmed the health services. They only have so many respirators and the doctors have had to make decisions on who gets access to one and who is simply allowed to die. There are of course not even remotely enough beds for the seriously ill, not enough testing-kits, you name it.
"Slightly worse than the seasonal flu" makes the assumptions that some people already have resistance to the virus and that the rate of infection is fairly low, neither assumption holds true. The rate of infection followed an exponential curve until the country pretty much closed down just under two weeks ago.
With an incubation period approaching two weeks, the number of new cases in Italy should start to slow down soon. The total number of confirmed cases there is approaching China and the number of deaths is 50% more than China and increasing.
The British Government initially saw things the way you do but once they started following events in Italy things changed fast.
the number of deaths is 50% more than China
They said over 90% of those who died in Italy had respiratory problems before contracting the virus. They're also an old population. When I was in northern Italy not long ago, I couldn't believe how many people were smoking. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
the assumptions that some people already have resistance to the virus and that the rate of infection is fairly low
Based on the US CDC's numbers, the seasonal flu infection rate for the US is on the order of hundreds of thousands of cases per day. Even in Italy, corona isn't coming close to that.
Italy is a lot smaller, and the worst affected area is a lot smaller still.
@Switch_Blayde: Smoking does make you more susceptible. Germany also has an aging population but the death rate there is - up to now - much lower than expected. A lot of the infected in Germany are young and fit, and were infected in Italy - typically while skiing - so that could explain those figures.
Italy is a lot smaller, and the worst affected area is a lot smaller still.
Even if you look at per capita numbers. The Italian national infection rate for corona19 is still an order of magnitude below what the US sees for seasonal flu.
Perhaps that their health care system is getting so overwhelmed says more about their healthcare system than it does about corona19.
It really doesn't matter which country you examine. None were prepared for this type of epidemic. The countries that responded early will have a lower per capita number of infections. Those that ignored the problem will have a higher number.
It all comes down to how the respective countries' government agencies responded when the virus first appeared in their countries. I would say that early on the medical authorities were saying the virus was going to be a problem. The politicians, at least here in the US, didn't take the necessary actions until too late. Even today, the US does not have good leadership nationwide. It is being left to the states to implement a policy, and that policy seems to be created by politicians, not medical experts. Yesterday was a perfect example: Trump told the nation that all the doctors had to do was disinfect the masks and reuse them. If he had checked with the doctors before shooting off his mounth, he would have learned that it is impossible to disinfect the masks. Stupid statements like that cause people to lose faith in their leaders.
Trump told the nation that all the doctors had to do was disinfect the masks and reuse them. If he had checked with the doctors before shooting off his mounth, he would have learned that it is impossible to disinfect the masks. Stupid statements like that cause people to lose faith in their leaders.
My granddaughter is a nurse who works for a neurologist. She gave birth 2 days ago so she's home now (and we can't see her or the baby). Her doctor/boss gave her 50 surgical masks to take home. She gave us 4 (before she gave birth) and told us how to clean them so that they can be reused. So it's not a stupid statement. It can be done.
The problem is the media. They sensationalize everything. They take things out of context. They try to scare their viewers/readers. That's what sells and that's all they care about. Trump's biggest problem is his mouth. But it's not as bad as the media makes it sound.
Cleaning a mask depends on the mask. Evidently some can be cleaned, but not all. Trump shouldn't be telling the nation that something outside of his expertise is true without checking out the facts first. He may be trying to sooth people's fears, but false statements will undercut any confidence people may still have in him.
Trumps problem is two fold. He doesn't listen to and accept the experts' facts before he opens his mouth and inserts his foot. He relies on his gut feeling instead of the experts who try to advise him.
I recall him saying back in January that the virus wasn't that bad so it would be safe for people to come to his campaign rallies; that tells us where his primary concern was. Now we are hearing that back in January the experts were telling him the virus was a major threat and something had to be done to get on top of the situation. It certainly appears to me that he puts his personal needs ahead of the country's welfare.
Congress was also briefed back then on how the virus might affect our economy, and four Congressmen went out and sold their stock before the market was affected. The SEC should file charges against all four of them, but not likely to happen for one of them, Kelly Loeffler, is the wife of the chairman of the New York Stock Exchange.
I recall him saying back in January that the virus wasn't that bad so it would be safe for people to come to his campaign rallies;
Wasn't that around the time that he closed the border with China?
Maybe it might be best to put personal feelings aside while the country tries to get through this without Chinese or Italian level mortality rates. I know the press can't leave it alone but maybe we can here? I hope?
Congress was also briefed back then on how the virus might affect our economy, and four Congressmen went out and sold their stock before the market was affected. The SEC should file charges against all four of them
Not sure about that, the signs were there for all to see but I must admit I was not thinking about the stock markets at the time.
Trumps problem is two fold. He doesn't listen to and accept the experts' facts before he opens his mouth and inserts his foot. He relies on his gut feeling instead of the experts who try to advise him.
Those aren't problems, they're features.
At this point, I'd rather have a Patton than an Eisenhower. Someone who's not afraid to actually do something, rather than wait on a study that takes months.
By the way, did you know the reason we HAVE a shortage of masks now is because we used up our reserve stockpiles that we're supposed to have and keep during swine flu - and they never replaced them. I'm not so sure I'm happy that Doctor Fauci let that happen on his watch.
rather than wait on a study that takes months.
I read an article about a couple who tried one of the medications Trump said he thought would keep you from getting the virus. He died and she is in the hospital.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus
Studies are done for a reason. Of course, people self medicating themselves and dying is a way to prove you shouldn't take what someone just thinks might help.
I read an article about a couple who tried one of the medications Trump said he thought would keep you from getting the virus.
Actually, reading the link, no the man did not try one of the medications Trump said he thought would keep you from getting the virus.
What Trump suggested is a known anti-malaria drug.
What the couple took was an aquarium additive with the same active ingredient.
From your own link.
Dr. Daniel Brooks, medical director of the Banner Poison and Drug Information Center, said that the aquarium additive that the couple ingested has the same active ingredients as the anti-malaria drug. However, the formula activated differently than the prescription
Yes, it was stupid, but it was their own stupid and not something Trump suggested.
I read an article about a couple who tried one of the medications Trump said he thought would keep you from getting the virus. He died and she is in the hospital.
That is in my state. How the hell can Trump be blamed? The idiot read an article that said a product that's used to clean fish tanks has the same ingredients as the drug that is used for malaria and may be useful on COVID-19. He and his wife drank it because they read the article, not because Trump told them to. Blame the article.
He died because 1) he was an idiot and 2) there was an inaccurate media article out there.
He was the 2nd COVID-19 death in Arizona (we had one more today). I don't even know why they count that as caused by the virus. He didn't even have it. And the media is blaming Trump. And so is the wife.
ETA:: I just clicked on the link (I didn't bother before because it was on my local news). Did you read the title of the article? "A Man Died After Self-Medicating With A Drug Trump Promoted As A Potential Treatment For The Coronavirus." That is fake news. The damn media only wants sensationalism, not real news. I would never trust anything from BuzzFeed after seeing that.
Did you read the title of the article? "A Man Died After Self-Medicating With A Drug Trump Promoted As A Potential Treatment For The Coronavirus."
I'm thinking that's all he read. The actual article text is accurate that Trump was promoting the anti-malaria drug and the couple went out and drank the fish tank cleaner because it had the same active ingredients.
Of course it wouldn't be manufactured to the same quality requirements as drugs meant for human use and might have had something else in it that was toxic.
In the main stream press, the person who writes the headlines is often not the person who wrote the article. And on on-line news sites, the headlines are often click bait even when the articles are good.
He died because 1) he was an idiot
That guy should be entered in this year's Darwin Awards. Unfortunately, he probably already reproduced.
That guy should be entered in this year's Darwin Awards. Unfortunately, he probably already reproduced.
He was married and in his 60s, if he hadn't already reproduced, even had he lived, he was unlikely to get the opportunity at this point.
I don't talk politics, but I'm really pissed off. This pandemic is critical. People are losing their jobs and won't be able to buy food, pay their rent, etc. Companies will go out of business. The U.S. economy is in a meltdown. Oh, and the unemployment insurance system can't handle the demand.
So what are the Democrats doing? They're fucking it up. Everyone thought both sides (bipartisan) were working in the Senate in good faith. Get checks out to people. Put a moratorium on student loans, mortgage loans, foreclosures, etc. Help companies survive this crisis so people will have jobs to go back to.
And then Senator Schumer fucks it all up today. He stopped Republican senators from speaking. He now claims it's a Republican bill that will only help wall street. Blah blah blah. One of my senators (the Republican one) was almost in tears when she explained what happened today in the Senate in an interview. She said when Schumer finally sat down he was smiling.
And then Nancy Pelosi says if the Senate can't get it right, Congress will write their own bill. That bill is over 1,100 pages. Yeah, they just wrote it last night. And what's in that bill? Things like paying off up to $30,000 in everyone's student loans. One of the congresspeople said, "Why should someone have to choose between paying their student loan or putting food on the table?" WTF? Oh, and another part is that airlines have to commit to reducing pollution (as in fossil fuels - New Green Deal). What do those things have to do with the dire situation we're in?
My guess is the Democrats are chomping at the problems hoping it will give them a win in the November elections. I wasn't going to vote for Trump if someone other than one of the crazies won (e.g., Sanders, Warren, etc.), but the way I'm feeling now I'm not only going to vote for Trump but Republicans down the line. Even the crazy ones (ultra conservative, ones like Rand Paul).
It's a good thing the current crop of Washington politicians weren't in power during WWII. We'd be speaking Japanese on the West Coast and German on the East Coast.
While the actual cast in power during in WWII may have been politicians, they at least put the welfare of the country and it's citizens ahead of their political aims. I'm beginning to realize that this current crop doesn't care whether Americans live or die, just as long as they regain power. So a pox on at least one of their houses.
The other house appears, at least this time around, to have the welfare of citizens at the forefront of their minds. Though they're not completely blameless either.
This pandemic is critical. People are losing their jobs and won't be able to buy food, pay their rent, etc. Companies will go out of business. The U.S. economy is in a meltdown.
I'm in Oklahoma. State just closed until April 16th. I'm the exception to the rule - I actually DO have almost six months salary in the bank, and NOT tied up in a 401K. I consider this whole thing somewhat of an overreaction, but at the same time, considering my military history, I'm wondering about the bio-war aspects of this.
At this point, I agree with you as well.
It's not only the US economy that is "in a meltdown", it's worldwide. In a strange way that is "lucky" for everyone, it would be a lot worse if you were the only country in an economical meltdown. What is true is that now the negative points of a badly regulated capitalistic system come to the surface. Notice "badly regulated", not the capitalistic system in itself, although in situations like we currently have a system like China has can act way faster and effective. Not that I would want to live in a country with a system like China but at the moment I'm also glad I'm not living in the US.
Brazil's approach seems to be . . . "different", not that I've read much more than their glorious leader's comments.
Brazil's approach seems to be . . . "different", not that I've read much more than their glorious leader's comments.
Every country has his own type of politicians: criminal, incompetent, fraudulent, selfish, uncaring, and yes, there's also the plain stupid ones. One or more typings may apply. There are very few countries with a majority of good, competent politicians.
I then had a closer look. Bolsonaro was railing against the decision of some Regional Governors to impose lockdowns, he himself is fit and a "sportsman" and allegedly does not see the need.
I then had a closer look. Bolsonaro was railing against the decision of some Regional Governors to impose lockdowns, he himself is fit and a "sportsman" and allegedly does not see the need.
Yep, fits the categories 'selfish' and 'uncaring' at a minimum.
And then Senator Schumer fucks it all up today. He stopped Republican senators from speaking. He now claims it's a Republican bill that will only help wall street. Blah blah blah. One of my senators (the Republican one) was almost in tears when she explained what happened today in the Senate in an interview. She said when Schumer finally sat down he was smiling.
That comment was two days ago, my understanding is that in the meantime the two parties have reached a compromise and that we are starting to see what changes the Democrats wanted. The first one appears to include some funding for research into this virus.
There was a big fuss recently about an American attempt to buy a German medical research lab, one which seems to be funded by Dietmar Hopp - one of the founders of SAP. I had always thought that the US was at the forefront of such research but that appears to no longer be the case - a lot of the funding for non-military research seems to have dried up in recent years although I don't know the timescale. I saw a report recently that the Trump administration had just drastically cut back - and in one case eliminated - the funding for various research areas: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/trump-s-2021-budget-drowns-science-agencies-red-ink-again#
I saw a report recently that the Trump administration had just drastically cut back - and in one case eliminated - the funding for various research areas:
Except research into diseases like covid19 should be getting funded through the CDC and the CDC's budget wasn't cut.
The real problem here is that the career bureaucrats at the CDC have spent the last several decades choosing to spend much of their budget doing research on issues that have nothing to do with infectious diseases. Issues like violence and transgenderism.
The real problem here is that the career bureaucrats at the CDC have spent the last several decades choosing to spend much of their budget doing research on issues that have nothing to do with infectious diseases. Issues like violence and transgenderism.
Roger that. Maybe we ought to change the name of this pandemic to the Politically Correct Virus or the Woke Virus.
Perhaps that their health care system is getting so overwhelmed says more about their healthcare system than it does about corona19
Per capita, they had far more front-line medics than the UK, twice as many ICU beds and twice as many ventilators.
The UK government has used the Italians as a warning to reinforce the importance of social distancing, admitting that the Italians have an 'excellent' healthcare system, even though they've been forced to ration ventilators to the under-60s in the hardest hit regions.
AJ
@Switch_Blayde: Smoking does make yo u more susceptible.
Smoking is one of several factors known that makes one more prone and increases the risk of death from the disease. The others are: old age, heart disease, hypertension and a weakened immune system. This according to Dr. Fauci at the CDC. I've been watching the press conferences in the U.S. Might be wrong about the hypertension though. Doing this from my fallible memory.
I'm cautious regarding any influenza as those are the risk factors associated with mortality for any of the 200 or so influenza viruses out there. I'm in the first two of those five risk categories.
What was curious about this particular strain is that no young children were dying. At least initially. No one under 10 were reported when this flu first emerged from China. That isn't true of other influenzae. I'm not sure if that persisted though. Haven't heard anything recently about it.
That isn't true of other influenzae.
Corona19 isn't an influenza. It's a more virulent strain of one of the strains of virus that form the "common cold".
Corona19 isn't an influenza.
Strictly speaking, you're correct. But I'm sure my body doesn't really care when I'm hacking and wheezing from either of them. :) Which I sincerely hope doesn't happen. I didn't like my last bout with the flu/cold last time I had a severe case.
ETA: That last time convinced me to start getting flu shots. The risk added by those seemed acceptable after the suffering.
The others are: old age, heart disease, hypertension and a weakened immune system.
I heard him say diabetes and obesity, too.
And now they're saying men more than women. I mean like 3 times as many.
70% of deaths are men so the math sounds about right. Reasons why so far are only speculative, i.e. an extra X chromosone making for a more robust immune system, the immune system made robust by childbirth, etc. So far only guesses. More research needed.
70% of deaths are men so the math sounds about right. Reasons why so far are only speculative, i.e. an extra X chromosome making for a more robust immune system, the immune system made robust by childbirth, etc. So far only guesses. More research needed.
Are those figures from China - where most men smoke but only 3% of the women - or are they more recent? Apparently women generally have a better immune system, unless they are pregnant - to avoid rejecting that pesky growth in the womb. I wonder if that is why Rubella / German Measles is particularly dangerous during pregnancy.
I thought they were from Italy, but as I commented earlier, my memory is fallible.
ETA: The smoking data is one of the many reasons more research is needed. Right now, the reason for the discrepancy just isn't known.
government overreaction to something that is in generally only slightly worse than the seasonal flu is going to destroy the economy which will affect everyone for years even after the pandemic is over.
That is a huge misconception. It's much worse than the flu. The mortality rate is higher. It's spread easier. There's no vaccine.
Russia handled it correctly. As soon as they learned about it, they closed their border with China, tested a ton of people, and basically quarantined everyone. With a population of 146 million, they have fewer cases than Luxembourg which has a population in the 600 thousands. Iran did just the opposite and it's spreading like crazy there.
Look at NYC. Their idiot mayor said there will be more deaths than necessary because the Federal government isn't doing enough. I'm sure it was a dig at Trump. But what did he do when the virus started there? Nothing. He kept the subways and buses running, kept the crowds of millions being close to each other. And now he's calling NYC the epicenter in the U.S. because it has by far the most cases. Well, what did he expect with his no action? It was finally the governor who closed everything at the mayor's objection (though the subways are still running).
My state (Arizona) isn't doing enough because of the effect on the state's economy. This is the time of year, with our great weather, that businesses make their money for the year (like tax accountants during tax season). Finally bars and restaurants are closed. But he waited too long. And many schools are open.
COVID-19 is not the flu.
According to statistics from SE Asia (S Korea, China, Japan): An estimated 30% of those infected show no symptoms. China has not been including them in their normal statistics. All three countries only detected these cases when they tested people known to have been in contact with sufferers. Such silent carriers can of course infect others.
Italy has had problems testing enough people but where they managed it, the number of asymptomatic positive was around 44%. A number of countries - such as UK and US - normally only test those showing symptoms.
Normally it takes around 5 days for the disease to break out.
Other figures from China indicate that people with blood type A are particularly at risk, those with blood type O much less so.