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stitchescl 🚫
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Lois Lane has an affair with Peter Parker, either Clark Kent or Mary-Jane finds out, or both. It could take BTB to a whole new level.

Dominions Son 🚫

@stitchescl

Lois Lane has an affair with Peter Parker, either Clark Kent or Mary-Jane finds out, or both. It could take BTB to a whole new level.

Interesting Idea, but doing it with a Marvel/DC cross-over would throw some people.

Superman is DC Comics. Spiderman/Peter Parker is Marvel. Within cannon, these characters do not exist in the same universe.

palamedes 🚫

@Dominions Son

Superman is DC Comics. Spiderman/Peter Parker is Marvel. Within cannon, these characters do not exist in the same universe.

A crossover between Marvel and DC has actually already happened four times in the comics. The first time with Superman and Spider-Man in the aptly named "Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man," which was jointly published by Marvel Comics and DC Comics in March 1976 and again in another crossover for "Marvel Treasuring Edition" #28 in 1980.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Dominions Son

Within cannon, these characters do not exist in the same universe.

Who cares? All cannons do is make big booms, anyway.

Now, if you're talking about canon, that's completely different. Of course, there's all sorts of alternate universes out there. Spidey's dealt with a bunch of them, both in animation and live action, and so will Doctor Strange, in his new movie.

Of course, canon is also a camera maker, too, just to invoke the Grinning Dick.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

cannons

"Cannon and canon are occasionally confused by writers, but the two words have independent origins, and do not share a meaning. Cannon is most frequently found used in the sense of "a large gun," and can be traced to the Old Italian word cannone, which means "large tube." Canon, however, comes from the Greek word kanōn, meaning "rule." Although canon has a variety of meanings, it is most often found in the senses of "a rule or law of a church," "an accepted rule," or "a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works." A loose cannon is "a dangerously uncontrollable person or thing." There are no loose canons."

Replies:   Radagast  Grey Wolf
Radagast 🚫

@richardshagrin

With the number of priests who have been accused of diddling over the years its obvious that loose canons are quite common.

Grey Wolf 🚫

@richardshagrin

In the area of religion, one might well say that the Unitarians have loose canons.

In the area of fiction, some series with continual retcons and changes in canon (Star Wars pre-Disney - and maybe post-Disney, too - for instance) have fairly loose canons.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Grey Wolf

Star Wars pre-Disney - and maybe post-Disney, too - for instance) have fairly loose canons

Han shot first!

stitchescl 🚫

@stitchescl

I am aware, but both heroes work in newspapers, and most people know the companies, so, doubtful anyone who would read them for name recognition would be confused and enough writers use 'famous' names in cheating and btb stories. Stangstar06 is notorious for it.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@stitchescl

The main issue is not confusion, it's pissing off readers who are fans of either DC or Marvel.

As I understand it, the two companies have tried to do official cross-overs a couple of times and they have generally not done well.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Dominions Son

As I understand it, the two companies have tried to do official cross-overs a couple of times and they have generally not done well.

That doesn't surprise me, that you wouldn't understand it. At no time have they ever tried to do things seriously, only as basically one-offs, just to help appease the fan arguments that happen at Comic Conventions. The actual cross-over issues have been popular, simply to feed the fans arguments. They can't ever actually have anything canon that would come from one of those issues, because they are competition.

And who cares whether or not you piss off the fans? On THIS site? Surely you jest - and yes, I did call you Shirley! :)

rkimmelerre 🚫

@Dominions Son

As a fan of all the characters involved, I'd be a lot more pissed at the idea that Peter and Lois would cheat than I would be by it being a crossover.

Replies:   maracorby
maracorby 🚫

@rkimmelerre

As a fan of all the characters involved, I'd be a lot more pissed at the idea that Peter and Lois would cheat than I would be by it being a crossover.

I would imagine it's very difficult to write a story like that that actually stays true to the characters' personalities. Lois is direct, agressive, and serious. Peter is aloof - a perpetual wise-cracker. Even if they were inclined to cheat, even if they worked at the same paper, would they choose each other? (Besides, Peter would never have the time to have an affair.)

I generally avoid fan fiction because so much of it discards the characters' nature.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@maracorby

I generally avoid fan fiction because so much of it discards the characters' nature.

Which is where the very concept of "Mary Sue" came from in the first place.

And for one of those characters it would be a problem. Peter and MJ long had an on and off again relationship. Normally she would break up with him, and he would spend quite a lot of time with other gals. Betty Brant, Felicia Harding - Black Cat, Silk, Kitty Pryde, Rogue, Emma Frost, and others.

However, in all of the comics I read through the Silver Age, while Superman would romance other women I can't remember Lois ever dating other guys. So in Peter I would believe it, but it is out of character for Lois.

In fact, the only one I can think of would be when she married Lex Luthor in the "Red Son" alternate reality book. Where Superman was the villain of the US, being the ruler of most of the world as he was a believer of Marxism and the champion of the Soviet Union.

Radagast 🚫

@stitchescl

Clark having sex with Lois would be fatal for her. Read Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Larry Niven.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Radagast

Clark having sex with Lois would be fatal for her. Read Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Larry Niven.

If Niven is right on that, it wouldn't just be fatal for Lois, it would take out half the neighborhood.

Mushroom 🚫

@stitchescl

Lois Lane has an affair with Peter Parker, either Clark Kent or Mary-Jane finds out, or both. It could take BTB to a whole new level.

I actually wrote one over twenty years ago that comes kind of close. But it involves Cat Woman and Spider-Man. Batman is in the background (I wrote it as a sequel to an early "Batman and Cat Woman" erotica that somebody else wrote), as does Iron Man and Doctor Doom.

https://storiesonline.net/s/36738/the-cat-and-the-spider

However, this long predates the MCU, and the characters were based in most of their behaviors and story from the early-mid 1980's stories. With Cat Woman largely taking the place of Felicia Hardy - Black Cat as Spider-Man's girlfriend.

My one and only real "fan fiction" story.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin 🚫

@Mushroom

"fan fiction" story.

"fan1
/fan/
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noun
1.
an apparatus with rotating blades that creates a current of air for cooling or ventilation.
"a couple of ceiling fans, lazily turning"
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verb
1.
cool (especially a person or a part of the body) by waving something to create a current of air.
"he fanned himself with his hat"

So if you write about something that causes air to move, it might be fan fiction.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@richardshagrin

"fan fiction"

The loud whirring noise is actually due to fan friction ;-)

AJ

Radagast 🚫

@stitchescl

Fan derived from fanatic. The whirring is from the writer having a bearing loose.

Jedd11 🚫

@stitchescl

How about you really throw a wrench in the works, and Lois has an affair with Mary Jane?

Replies:   Mushroom  stitchescl
Mushroom 🚫

@Jedd11

How about you really throw a wrench in the works, and Lois has an affair with Mary Jane?

That sounds almost like something Ann Douglas would have written.

She was quite well known two decades ago, and wrote a of of lesbian fanfic. Including such properties as Star Trek, MASH, Ally Mcbeal, China Beach, and "Just One of the Guys".

stitchescl 🚫

@Jedd11

I could see Lois Lane and Lana Lang having an impact on Clark, or Mary Jane and Felicia Hardy affecting Peter, but it doesn't have the extra oomph of your female cheating with a male. If the cross platforms bugs people, have Lois cheat with Lex or Mary Jane with Eddie Brock. I know there is a Spiderman story here where Mary Jane is with Kraven, so a Superman story would be the way. Lois could even have the affair with Jimmy Olsen to follow the trope of a backstabbing best friend...

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