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Hi, I'm trying to understand something in a story I don't get.

In Detoxing by Gordon Johnson the MC has kidnapped three women under the instruction of their father in order to train them and make them into proper ladies. My confusion stems from a discussion that happens in chp 3. He tells them that he'll punish them if they disobey and that it might be of a sexual nature. He goes on to say it's not rape because he tells them in advance that he will do so if they misbehave. The analogy used is just like breaking the law, you must face your punishment and go to prison as a result of your decision to commit a crime.

What I don't get is how that isn't rape? It might be a punishment but isn't it still non-consensual?

I also don't really get why he has to have sex with them in the first place. He makes a big point about how their promiscuity is bad and that they need to change. But then tells their father during the initial setup that he will need to sleep with them in case they want it. Isn't that counterintuitive? In stuff like fat camps don't they stop you from eating junk food? Similarly here wouldn't abstinence be the key? Anyway, those were the points I wanted clarification on. It seems fairly popular so hopefully someone can explain to me. Thanks in advance

What I don't get is how that isn't rape? It might be a punishment but isn't it still non-consensual?

Rape in legal terms, or rape as defined in the SOL codes faq?

As a legal matter in the real world (the story world could have different laws) yes it would still be rape.

The SOL rape tag takes a narrower definition, limiting it to violent rape involving the use of physical force.

Now, I'm not familiar with the story in question, it could still be rape by the SOL definition, but it might not be.

Is force used or is he able to push them into accepting the punishments by other means of coercion?

I also don't really get why he has to have sex with them in the first place. He makes a big point about how their promiscuity is bad and that they need to change. But then tells their father during the initial setup that he will need to sleep with them in case they want it. Isn't that counterintuitive?

This could come down to a matter of definitions.

If you read the Second Best universe, it ends up defining "Slut" and "whore" in very different ways.

IIRC:

A slut is simply a girl/woman who enjoys sex. But is not necessarily indiscriminate about who she has sex with. Per the Second Best story guys don't have a problem with sluts.

For whore on the other hand, there are two kinds of whores.

1. Sluts who are indiscriminate about who they have sex with.

2. Girls/women who don't necessarily enjoy sex, but use it transactionally to get things they want (not necessarily money). Most of these types of whores are cheats. They will promise sex in exchange for what they want, but will attempt to avoid/minimize actually holding up their end of the bargain.

Back to your question.

1. Don't assume the "trainer's" goal is the same as the father's

2. The goal may not be making them chaste, but to get them to be particular about their partners without breaking them of enjoying sex. Based on the description I would expect that this is the explanation.