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Any good romance story that doesn't cater to forgiving females for doing whatever the fuck they want?

moredrowsy 🚫

Just read Dance of a Lifetime, Paul's Redemption, and a few others where it's ALWAYS the guys that have to forgive his gf's promiscuity and beg for the girl to get back together. Kinda tired of that. Any romance stories with the roles reserved? It's kinda stupid where the girls cheats, betrays the guy AND THEN the author writes a story as if it's the guy's fault and the guy BEGS her back. like wtf, especially after the main FA does that a second time...

Also, I'm looking to read time travel or do-overs where the main character isn't a pathetic social wreck but just a normal person who isn't smart or dumb or too sex-craved (ie I hate harems). There's just so many do-overs where the guy travels back and have to live a promiscuous or male slut life. I swear it's like a formula for these do-over stories to include high school male slut phase.

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@moredrowsy

Also, I'm looking to read time travel or do-overs where the main character isn't a pathetic social wreck but just a normal person who isn't smart or dumb or too sex-craved (ie I hate harems). There's just so many do-overs where the guy travels back and have to live a promiscuous or male slut life. I swear it's like a formula for these do-over stories to include high school male slut phase.

If you accept a temporary period of, er, high school sexual activity, there are a few good ones where the character settles down around the end of high school: A New Past by Charlie Foxtrot, A Fresh Start by rlfj, and Doing it All Over by Al Steiner.

Once More With Feelings by Night Hawk -- the do-over protagnist is definitely not a male slut! Remix by Detroitmechworks is probably in the same subgenre.

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moredrowsy 🚫
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@samuelmichaels

A Fresh Start was my first do-over reading and I thought it was fine to when he slept around in high school since I sorta understood the protag's mentality of "oh shit, I get to be young and can sleep with as many young babes as possible." However, it was pretty stupid to sleep around and possibly fuck up his 'possible future' with his destined wife. That made me think of his male slut phase was really fucking dumb when he knew his actions were potentially dangerous.

Then, I read A New Past and was quite disappointed in this story too. I mean, the guy was picked his gf, and then starts fucking around with her sisters because of libido. Then, add in the whole premise and focus was him trying to change the world with technology made the slut-phase completely unnecessary. The story didn't focus on the psychology or the romance of sex, so including the male slut phase was just pointless.

I really liked Doing it All Over. Didn't add in slut phase for no reason. This story had a clear focus and didn't cater to the popular/generic formula.

Also, Building A Better Past was done really well for including the male slutty activity. This story actually explained the dilemmas, complications, and consequences of sleeping around with as many girls as possible! For once, it actually fits with the theme of the do-over and time travel dilemmas.

Once More With Feelings seems interesting. I'll try that one out. Remix is too short and the premise seems boring.

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@moredrowsy

Do not dismiss "Remix" - it really "have it" - something that could force you to read it till the end.
I'm not saying it's perfect, because it has some flaws, but it's worth of reading.

Vincent Berg 🚫
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@moredrowsy

Thuantang, in the early days, many authors included the 'slut phase' because it was felt (though it wasn't true) that SOL was a "sex site". Thus many stories included harem/sleeping-around scenes for no particular reason to the plot. That happens more rarely now, though it's still a component of many stories (since, again, many seek out SOL looking for a 'sex story' site), but dislike posting on ASSTR.

bk69 🚫

@moredrowsy

Uh... Doing it all Over kinda personified the 'man ho' teen doover. He fucked pretty much anything in a skirt (including the neighborhood single mom) except for the girl he fell in love with, then he spent a long time to win her back after she caught him fucking the crazy engaged chick.

Good story tho.

But think about this - if you had all your knowledge about how to get laid, and found yourself having to deal with teenage hormones, are you sure you wouldn't turn into a man ho for a while?

But anyhow... Building a Better Past might appeal to you.

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Mushroom 🚫

@bk69

Uh... Doing it all Over kinda personified the 'man ho' teen doover. He fucked pretty much anything in a skirt (including the neighborhood single mom) except for the girl he fell in love with, then he spent a long time to win her back after she caught him fucking the crazy engaged chick.

An excellent Al Steiner story, and the first one I added to my favorites today. I still read it again every year or so. But also love how he ended it. A story I think everybody should read.

https://storiesonline.net/s/30059/doing-it-all-over

My only issue was how he handled his beliefs in the military in it. But that does nothing from appreciating the story on its own merits.

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bk69 🚫

@Mushroom

Ok, the MC was a bit of a asshole at that point, but... Back then, recruiters actually could lie to kids to get them to sign up, and he was trying to help his friend who really wasn't cut out for the military.

But yeah, Al created the genre or at least wrote the definitive classic version. And when you think about it, pretty much everything he did was a logical "thus is what most guys would do in the situation" type thing, from using advanced seduction skills in order to have more success than originally, to standing up to a bully, to getting a god complex (and then being dragged back down quickly) to tapping the milf he hadn't realized was interested, and then finally growing up once he found a girl he loved.
It's the same sort of thing as when Blackie wrote The Book (guy finds book that teaches him to read and control minds, he reacts as most any guy would, then learns he's not the only person so talented, and the government is aware of people like him, etc)
Or Al's post-apoc gem Aftermath. Again, well thought out and every event seems to logically follow.

There's probably a great time travel story that's similar... Maybe Spirit Quest.

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Mushroom 🚫

@bk69

Ok, the MC was a bit of a asshole at that point, but... Back then, recruiters actually could lie to kids to get them to sign up, and he was trying to help his friend who really wasn't cut out for the military.

Oh, that is nor the issue. It was the "you sign up, commit to join, and only then take the ASVAB and pick a job" that irked me the most.

I do not really care if people join or not. But that was just so wrong it made my teeth hurt. And makes no sense, as that would commit the military into accepting somebody who was functionally illiterate and a moron.

Test first, then you talk about jobs, and only then do you sign a contract and swear in. With the job actually in the contract most times (the Marines are really the only branch left that really uses the "Open Contract" system).

That is why in one story that I had something similar happen, I was very careful to describe how the process actually works. And having done it multiple times myself, it has not changed in decades. My 2 uncles went through the same process in the same order at about the time I was born.

And yea, I remember "The Book", but have not read it in ages. Back in the day when a 600k story was "huge". I just looked, and my copy in my archive is dated to 1997, but I am pretty sure it predates that. Back when MC meant "Mind Control", not "Main Character".

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@Mushroom

MC

Most of the time:
"What does MC stand for in slang?
master of ceremonies
MC (Emcee) means master of ceremonies or mic controller."

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Dominions Son 🚫

@richardshagrin

On this forum 99.999% of the time, MC will mean "main character".

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@Dominions Son

On this forum 99.999% of the time, MC will mean "main character".

That's because the iphone zombies can't spell 'protagonist'.

AJ

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bk69 🚫

@awnlee jawking

That's because the iphone zombies can't spell 'protagonist'.

Naw. Just nobody wants to have the grinning dick posting about psychoactive drugs that selectively excite whores and ants.

bk69 🚫

@Mushroom

I read it in 93 or 94. Those years are a bit foggy.

Mushroom 🚫

@bk69

But yeah, Al created the genre or at least wrote the definitive classic version.

For adult stories, definitely.

I have long wanted to write one, but it predates even that. For me, the interest dates back to 1987 when I read "Replay", by Ken Grimwood. It even predates "Groundhog Day". In short, a man has a heart attack and dies, and returns to 1963 when he was 18. Lives his life, makes changes, then at the exact same time has a heart attack and dies again. But hours after the first time he returned.

This time he notices other things changing. Like a huge box office smash is directed by Spielberg, special effects by Lucas, and lifts concepts from other stories, and never existed before. He finds the writer and producer, and they realize they are both going through the same thing.

They once again die, but this time return days later. And it continues. They live, die at the exact same time and date, but each time the clock of their "replay" jumps by months, then years.

It was my love for that story that attracted me to similar stories today. And why the only similar story I have written was closer to that or Groundhog Day than the normal ones.

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JoeBobMack 🚫

@Mushroom

Is Replay on SOL? Couldn't find it.

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PotomacBob 🚫

@JoeBobMack

Is Replay on SOL? Couldn't find it.

Replay is dead-tree.

PotomacBob 🚫

@Mushroom

For me, the interest dates back to 1987 when I read "Replay", by Ken Grimwood. It even predates "Groundhog Day"

when I first saw "Groundhog Day" I assumed it was somehow "based on" "Replay." I still think it might be.

Mushroom 🚫

@moredrowsy

Just read Dance of a Lifetime, Paul's Redemption, and a few others where it's ALWAYS the guys that have to forgive his gf's promiscuity and beg for the girl to get back together. Kinda tired of that. Any romance stories with the roles reserved? It's kinda stupid where the girls cheats, betrays the guy AND THEN the author writes a story as if it's the guy's fault and the guy BEGS her back. like wtf, especially after the main FA does that a second time...

Found this and thought it was worth revisiting.

Myself, I tend to pretty much dismiss those, unless it was a "one time thing". I simply can not find any correlation between "romance" and "systemic cheating".

In one of mine, I had fun stringing along the readers for almost a book and a half with what seemed like a "perfect love story". Than had her return to "slut mode" when he was gone. She dumped him, moved on, and he moved on.

Then later when she tried to beg him to come back, he told her to get lost. Of course, I also believe that from behaviors and actions come consequences. I got a lot of hate mail over that, but had to remain true to the characters in the end.

REP 🚫

@moredrowsy

You may not think of them as romance stories, but I enjoyed Empty Nest and Service Society by Lazlo Zalezac. Empty Nest is about a relationship that died and the husband's attempts to revitalize it by shaming the wife. Service Society is a satire about our society that includes poor communication between a man and wife resulting in a divorce and the wife's attempt to repair the relationship.

ystokes 🚫

@moredrowsy

It's kinda stupid where the girls cheats, betrays the guy AND THEN the author writes a story as if it's the guy's fault and the guy BEGS her back. like wtf, especially after the main FA does that a second time...

That never happened in DoaL.

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@ystokes

That never happened in DoaL.

I'm not sure about that. Something about that sounds familiar to it.

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@ystokes

iirc didn't she screw around with some latino dude when they first started college because the male mc wasn't paying enough attention to her?

Yep, chapter 55 with Eduardo Gonzalez.

ystokes 🚫

She broke up with Warren before she screwed Eddie and Warren was never made to be at fault for the break up nor did he beg her to come back.

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@ystokes

read ch 55...she was still seeing warren when she was letting eduardo play with her tits and pussy, then broke it off with him via letter so she could fuck eduardo, then gets banged too hard by ed and immediately dumped by him. Lots of conniving by her to 'be free' of warren within a very short period of time.
Can't remember how they get back together but they do or the story would have ended :)

ystokes 🚫

They got back together after she almost died from alcohol poisoning and Warren demanded she go in to therapy.

I just reread it last week and still a great story though I would skip most of the sex and some of the side stories.

Uther Pendragon 🚫

@moredrowsy

I keep reading similar requests and thinking of recommending some of my stories, especially the Brennan universe.

They fit the words. They cover a couple who are both faithful. Then I think that the subtext seems to be that ou want the man to sleep around.