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red61544

Please don't be offended; I'm just curious about the amount of TV programs, movies, and even stories on SOL about vampires, zombies, and werewolves. When I was a kid (in ancient times) we often tried to scare one another with stories about such things. But, after hitting our teen years, girls became much more fascinating than monsters. What brought about their revival and what is the attraction to an adult? We know that such things don't exist so what attracts adults to stories about non-existent beings? The stories seem to do well when it comes to scoring and downloads, so there must be a big attraction.

Dominions Son

@red61544

When I was younger, I read a fair bit of high fantasy as well as science fiction. As I got older and I started to desire stories with more adult(sex) content, I got into Dead tree paranormal romance.

Paranormal romance takes High Fantasy, fairy tale and other supernatural creatures and puts them hiding in plain sight or even living openly among humans in a modern real world like setting. Then throw in romance elements with a good bit of very explicit sex.

Even a lot of the adults that read for recreation do so for a bit of escapism.

We want something that goes beyond what is possible in our real lives.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Dominions Son

High Fantasy

Is that when readers smoke marijuana while reading fantastic stories?

sunkuwan

Really? I thought Vampire, Zombies, and Werewolves were underrepresented on SOL in contrast to other story sites.
Well, mostly the 1000kb+ stories.
Time of eden and elves is the only big story here that I can remember, that has those elements.

Other places have a butt-load more, even if we exclude fanficition.

Replies:   REP
oyster50

let's see - when I was a kid (and dinosaurs roamed the earth) the Big Thing was cowboys. When I hit high school, it was spies. Remember when the first James Bond movies came out and there were spy shows all over TV?

I stopped paying much attention then but it seems that a lot of the eighties and nineties were wholesome families like the Cosbys and the Brady Bunch and that sort of thing.

So now it's superheroes and vampires. I wonder what will be the Next Big Thing?

Oh, and for the sake of discussion, I read somewhere that all the hoopla about zombies is because we can't say who we're REALLY preparing for...

Replies:   red61544  Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

My understanding is that Zombies and Werewolves are regarded as having been done to death by mainstream publishers, and Vampires nearly so (an agent said there's still room for a British teen vampire novel or two).

The question is what will be the next moneyspinning trend? Superheroes, and superhero ensembles, are currently in vogue at the movies but they don't seem to translate well into novels (Chances Are... by Stultus is a very welcome SOL exception.)

AJ

Replies:   BlacKnight
Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

Is that when readers smoke marijuana while reading fantastic stories?


No, it's the Lord of the Rings and Dungeons & Dragons.

Replies:   red61544
red61544

@Dominions Son

Lord of the Rings


Are those smoke rings from all the marijuana?

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REP

@sunkuwan

Time of eden and elves


SOL may not have that many of those types of stories, but if you enjoy those types of stories, you may like the MORFs Universe. It is mostly 200-300K word stories.

red61544

@oyster50

I wonder what will be the Next Big Thing?


I think if you knew the answer to that, you could make more money than the Community!

REP

@red61544

We do have stories about TV programs and movies, but not the TV programs and movies on SOL. :)

I am astounded by the fact that I know people who truly believe there are zombies living among us and they will attack us.

Like you, I don't understand the attraction of vampires, zombies, and werewolves. I also don't understand why people watch scary movies and also claim they don't like being scared by them. If you ever figure out the attraction people have for scary movies, it is probably the same or very similar to their attraction to vampires, zombies, and werewolves. Whatever it is, the attraction seems related to fear of something that can harm us.

StarFleet Carl

@REP

I am astounded by the fact that I know people who truly believe there are zombies living among us and they will attack us.


I believe that Bob Hope described them correctly - those are called Democrats.

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Ernest Bywater

@REP

I am astounded by the fact that I know people who truly believe there are zombies living among us and they will attack us.


I'm not surprised because there are some real zombies living amongst us, but most people call them elected officials.

Wheezer

@richardshagrin

High fantasy beats low humour any day.

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Wheezer

@StarFleet Carl

The Democrats in Hope's era are today's Republicans.

REP

@StarFleet Carl

No. I'd say the Trumpies are the zombies. I even heard one say he knew Trump was a liar, but Trump would never lie to his supporters.

It is interesting that this morning Trump tweeted - "91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake)."

The media is saying that proves Trump's interprets negative coverage as fake news. :)

Replies:   Capt. Zapp
Capt. Zapp

@REP

I even heard one say he knew Trump was a liar, but Trump would never lie to his supporters.


Anyone who claims that politicians don't lie is seriously delusional. And it doesn't matter which party they belong to.

Replies:   REP  Crumbly Writer
REP

@Capt. Zapp

Agreed. In my opinion politicians have to lie in some situations, but not all the time.

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BlacKnight

@awnlee jawking

The question is what will be the next moneyspinning trend? Superheroes, and superhero ensembles, are currently in vogue at the movies but they don't seem to translate well into novels (Chances Are... by Stultus is a very welcome SOL exception.)

Worm. And its currently-posting sequel, Ward.

Though, granted, Worm is not so much a "novel" as an "epic saga". (1.68 million words, similar in length to the five current novels of A Song of Ice and Fire put together. Ward will probably run about the same.)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Dominions Son

@REP

In my opinion politicians have to lie in some situations, but not all the time.


Most politicians wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit them in the ass.

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madnige

@Dominions Son

Most politicians wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit them in the ass.


No, they have to recognise the truth to know what to avoid.

awnlee jawking

@BlacKnight

I started reading Worm and had to give it up because I didn't have the time. I agree, it's a great story. But professionally it's nigh on unpublishable and I don't see it as a moneyspinner :(

AJ

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sunkuwan

@awnlee jawking

It is unpublishable in its current form. But it would work as a TV Series.
Also, the Author got a massive fanbase and enough Patreon support, that he could live off of Patreon money alone while he writes his next projects.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@sunkuwan

Also, the Author got a massive fanbase and enough Patreon support, that he could live off of Patreon money alone while he writes his next projects.


Fully deserved, IMO.

AJ

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sunkuwan

@awnlee jawking

correct :)

Crumbly Writer

@oyster50

So now it's superheroes and vampires. I wonder what will be the Next Big Thing?

The Big Bang. Now it's all about nerdy scientists unable to make sense of the real world (it's appealing, since it makes people think they're better off knowing next to nothing).

As for me, although I've read a few zombie books that sounded promising, my one Zombie story was written as a way of turning the genre on it's head, writing about how human and misunderstood zombies would be where the first impulse is to put a bullet into their brains.

Crumbly Writer

@red61544

Are those smoke rings from all the marijuana?

And one ring will obscure all the others, in a world where you can't see your own hand!

Crumbly Writer

@REP

Like you, I don't understand the attraction of vampires, zombies, and werewolves. I also don't understand why people watch scary movies and also claim they don't like being scared by them.

Way, way back when I was young, the attraction (for guy's) was that girl's liked to be scared so they'd have an excuse to cuddle (without being groped). For girls, it always seemed to center around finding the 'bad guy' (Dracula) sexy, or people being misunderstood (Frankenstein and the mummy).

Nowadays, it seems people prefer an 'immersion' experience (ex: The Walking Dead, where there's not real need for character development, as any time the story slows, you simply throw in a favorite character who's suddenly 'turned'.

Crumbly Writer

@Wheezer

High fantasy beats low humour any day.

Or low humor about high fantasy, such as when Gandolf eats an entire meal of beans as they're trying to sneak through the underground halls of the abandoned Dwarven Kingdom.

Crumbly Writer

@Capt. Zapp

Anyone who claims that politicians don't lie is seriously delusional. And it doesn't matter which party they belong to.

That's true, but painting them all with the same brush hides the 'too polite to criticize those they're working with' with the horribly corrupt of inept.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Most politicians wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit them in the ass.

And it usually does!

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Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

And it usually does!


Unfortunately there seem to be a few with a talent for arranging things so it bites someone else's ass.

Capt. Zapp

@Dominions Son

Unfortunately there seem to be a few with a talent for arranging things so it bites someone else's ass.


Yeah, and it's usually the common people.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Unfortunately there seem to be a few with a talent for arranging things so it bites someone else's ass.

That's called 'deflection', as in 'deflecting people's anger at another target so you remain in office'.

Harold Wilson

@red61544

I'm just curious about the amount of TV programs, movies, and even stories on SOL about vampires, zombies, and werewolves.


It's a fad, or "trend," or whatever you want to call it. Entertainment, like everything else, has a lot of "me-too" in it. Notice that there's never just one blockbuster movie about a thing. If there's a natural disaster movie, then there's two natural disaster movies. If there's a vampire movie, then there's two vampire movies, etc.

If you look back at publishing, you might recall "urban fantasy" as a trend that went for a while. Then vampires. Then "paranormal romance" (angsty teen sparkle vampires).

You can bet that it will peter out in a few years, then get replaced by something else. Maybe ghosts. Maybe ensemble adventures. Maybe chicks in chainmail. If you can predict what it will be, you can make a fortune. Far enough in advance, you might make two fortunes. ;-)

Dominions Son

@Harold Wilson

Then "paranormal romance" (angsty teen sparkle vampires).


There is a lot more to Paranormal Romance than angsty teen sparkle vampires, Twilight type stories. at their peek, were never more than a quarter of Parnormal romance.

Crumbly Writer

@Harold Wilson

It's a fad, or "trend," or whatever you want to call it. Entertainment, like everything else, has a lot of "me-too" in it. Notice that there's never just one blockbuster movie about a thing. If there's a natural disaster movie, then there's two natural disaster movies. If there's a vampire movie, then there's two vampire movies, etc.

Not really. Most authors here don't write 'Do-over' stories because they're a fad, but because, when you read one, you're often inspired to write a better story. That's the same reason most authors choose subject matter, so it's really has nothing at all to do with fads. It's just that, when something becomes popular, other authors tend to respond in kind. That's NOT a causal reaction (i.e the 'fad' didn't produce it), instead it's normal reaction to reading by authors. Or do you object to authors who read recent books?

evilynnthales
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@red61544


But, after hitting our teen years, girls became much more fascinating than monsters.


wince

I'll try my best not to be offended. (I'm not upset - it's just that the phrasing could be much less offensive.)

When most of us reach our teen years, girls become much more fascinating than nearly everything. Reading, fishing, schoolwork, and sports, all play second fiddle to girls.

That doesn't turn off the imagination or stop people from enjoying reading fiction.


We know that such things don't exist so what attracts adults to stories about non-existent beings?


Almost nothing we read is truly about anything else. Both Fiction and Nonfiction is filled with beings that don't really exist - even if their species does. When I read a good story, existence or nonexistence of beings in the story has little effect on my ability to transport myself into the world.

Given that, why would I deliberately choose to spend my limited reading time in the same world I've spent the last 40+ years living in?

I choose books that transport me into worlds I've never imagined.

Altered Carbon
Changes
Dune
Ender's Game
Mistborn
Old Man's War
The Caves of Steel
The Girl With All the Gifts
The Name of the Wind
The Way of Kings
The Wheel of Time

All of them transported me to a world I'd never visited and set my imagination aflame with possibilities. Many made me think about the world around me in new ways.

I just accept that this isn't a case of right vs wrong and read the stories I enjoy! :)

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helmut_meukel
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@evilynnthales


I choose books that transport me into worlds I've never imagined.

Altered Carbon

Changes

Dune

Ender's Game

Mistborn

Old Man's War

The Caves of Steel

The Girl With All the Gifts

The Name of the Wind

The Way of Kings

The Wheel of Time


You got me there. I only recognized two titles:

* Dune by Frank Herbert. I only read the German translation and never understood the hype about Dune.

* The Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov. I just checked my collection of Asimov's books and I've read only the foundation trilogy in English, the other 47 books are German translations.

I searched Wikipedia for the other titles, assuming I had read a few in German translations with totally changed titles, but found I've never heard of any of them.

HM.
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Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

Is that when readers smoke marijuana while reading fantastic stories?


That joke stopped being funny about 2000 iterations ago.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Dominions Son

That joke stopped being funny about 2000 iterations ago.

Hey, its a Classic. We can't stop punning on "high" even though the word doesn't mean intoxication among very many people these days. If puns had to be funny, a lot fewer would be made. It is the effort, not the result that counts. If they don't smell, they aren't pungent. I am a pun Gent.

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Wheezer

@richardshagrin

If puns had to be funny

You don't have any worries there.

It is the effort, not the result that counts

If the result you seek is to annoy the fuck out of people, then your efforts are a success.

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