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Namecalling of women

Vance

A story by Punky Girl, whose work I like, states:

"She was talking dirty to him-- she was being dirty for him. And he was talking really dirty to her, calling here all sorts of names like slut, whore, bitch, cunt, twat...

The fantasy jolted her body when she thought of being treated this way.

"Uh-- OH God!" she panted in reality. That had done it: the thought of her being his little dirty girl, of taking his (imagined) huge cock inside her as he called her filthy names."

This is very hot and salacious, but it sets me to wonder. Do women really get off hearing a man call her those things? I think if I did that I would get slapped in a New York minute.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer  joyR
Crumbly Writer

@Vance

This is very hot and salacious, but it sets me to wonder. Do women really get off hearing a man call her those things? I think if I did that I would get slapped in a New York minute.

I think it's a skin got lesbians doing each other with strap-on dildos. While it may occasionally happen in real life, it hardly happens as much as it does on internet videos. They're both common male fantasies, which women really don't appreciate. Hell, if women got into that, all they'd need to is pass virtually any construction site, and they'd be over it before they got ten or twenty feet in.

What women do get into, though, is doing something which gets a rise out of their men. So if they discover some hidden kink that they've been afraid to admit, and they can get them to 'role play' it with them, they'll appreciate that, though they're unlikely to make it a regular part of their relationship.

It's one thing for a guy to wear your underwear, and it's fun to do it a few times just to prove that you're 'experimental', but once he starts buying his own lingerie, you start questioning whether you both wouldn't be more comfortable with another guy!

sunkuwan

I struggle with the namecalling on "romantic" BDSM stories.
Many of those stories have a natural submissive whose desire to be dominated or taken care of leads to them to imprint on their Dom. Why does the Dom need to call their sub cunt and slut to get them going?
Especially if both of them don't have any experience being Dom or sub.

It feels like 98% of the romantic BDSM stories revert to namecalling to assert superiority between Dom and sub. And the sub gets their most heavy orgasm from those, of course.
I don't have real life experience, but I am sure that natural subs don't need namecalling to get their jimmies of.
Looks more like it is an easy out for the writers that dont have the experience or research to display the full range of romantic BDSM.

Replies:   REP
REP

@sunkuwan

I agree.

In a loving relationship, which can include BDSM activities, there is no need for the Dom to insult the Sub. I think it is done in stories because the Author doesn't know all that much about how to dominate another person. I think most of us are more into treating our loved ones with respect.

joyR

@Vance

Do women really get off hearing a man call her those things? I think if I did that I would get slapped in a New York minute.


Yes, you probably would...

But, it's all about context. If the recipient is into humiliation/degradation then using those words might just be what tips him/her over the edge.

In stories it's akin to the "finger up her ass makes her cum" type of thing. Often used by writers and presumably enjoyed by, I would guess, male readers.

It's hard to imagine even a fictional character begging, "talk dirty to me". And the response being. "Oh princess, take it, take my man part into your honeypot my angel......" It just does not work.

If you bear in mind that the majority of writers can't get the location of the hymen right... What's the chances that their fictional stories reflect real life?

The sad truth is that the modern use of the word slut is simply someone who has numerous sexual partners. Exactly how many partners it takes to be qualify is left to the name callers morals.

Whilst the older, and in my personal opinion, more accurate definition is a person with few if any morals, calling a girl that (unless it's true) deserves a slap..!!!

Replies:   sejintenej  BlinkReader
sejintenej
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@joyR


re: Slut

Whilst the older, and in my personal opinion, more accurate definition is a person with few if any morals, calling a girl that (unless it's true) deserves a slap..!!!


It seems to be always men calling out the women but K Pelle in "beyond the mirror" where the girl had been referred to like that (not by the MC) she turned it round by referring to Tom (the MC) as being handsome and also dressed to kill.

I am not going to look back over umpteen chapters for the actual words but this is a bowdlerised version of a brilliant riposte

Replies:   REP
REP

@sejintenej

and also dressed to kill.


Did she kill him because of his comments? :)

BlinkReader

@joyR

... more accurate definition is a person with few if any morals ...


Giving someone "bad name" speaks more about person who gives bad names than about person who is recipient of such bad mouthed person (read -> idiot).

My advice to anybody who wants to try something better is to just live with "Golden rule", and in this case ask his/her self - "What bad name would I get if I gave someone else bad name?"

Replies:   joyR
joyR

@BlinkReader

My advice to anybody who wants to try something better is to just live with
A little off topic, but;

"Golden rule", and in this case ask his/her self - "What bad name would I get if I gave someone else bad name?"


Which is fine, except sometimes calling someone a (.......) because it's an accurate description is simply being truthful. In which case you would get the reputation of being honest.

Replies:   BlinkReader
BlinkReader

@joyR

OK.
Let's say it so that everybody can understand:

You are walking on the street (yes I know - nobody sane does not walk on the street in ole good USA anymore) and you see young girl dressed in sexy outfit.
Or you see her in something similar in the school/uni/work/evening bar while she is trying to catch "a guy of her life"

Are you going to just for that call her a slut?
According to (not only yours) movies and series - in most cases yes!

From one side you are forcing females to be provocative and wear provocative outfits (so they can "sell" them selves better, and find "better" male), and on the other side you are giving them all bad names you can find to humiliate them or...

Replies:   REP  REP  joyR
REP

@BlinkReader

From one side you are forcing females to be provocative and wear provocative outfits


No one is forcing a woman to wear a provocative outfit or behave in a provocative manner.

If a woman decided to do so in the hope of acquiring a mate, then that is all part of selling the merchandise. If a man sees a woman marketing herself in that manner, then it is understandable that he may be interested in acquiring the merchandise.

It is wrong for people to make moral judgments solely on what they see. It is also wrong of a woman to get angry with a man because he responds to her offering herself up to all of the men who realize she is announcing her availability. I might also add that provocative dress and actions may be due to reasons other than a woman trying to market herself.

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@BlinkReader

From one side you are forcing females to be provocative and wear provocative outfits


No one is forcing a woman to wear a provocative outfit or behave in a provocative manner.

If a woman decided to do so in the hope of acquiring a mate, then that is all part of selling the merchandise. If a man sees a woman marketing herself in that manner, then it is understandable that he may be interested in acquiring the merchandise.

It is wrong for people to make moral judgments solely on what they see. It is also wrong of a woman to get angry with a man because he responds to her offering herself up to all of the men who realize she is announcing her availability. I might also add that provocative dress and actions may be due to reasons other than a woman trying to market herself.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@REP

No one is forcing a woman to wear a provocative outfit or behave in a provocative manner.

That's right, according the the NIS universe, they're merely required to be naked … and perform the occasional sex act in public. 'D

Replies:   joyR
joyR

@BlinkReader

According to (not only yours) movies and series - in most cases yes!


If you go back and read what I posted, you'll find I didn't say or infer that at all, if a girl/woman IS a slut, then calling her that is the simple truth.

Note that I said IS, not "appears to be" or "dresses sexy" etc etc.

How would you describe a person who lies, cheats etc? Do you refer to such a person as a liar or cheat because it's the truth? Or do you express sympathy with his/her deprived childhood and believe he/she is simply "misunderstood" ?

joyR

@Crumbly Writer

they're merely required to be naked


And in other popular fiction, if Eve had ignored that pesky snake, we'd ALL be naked.

BlinkReader

@REP

No one is forcing a woman to wear a provocative outfit or behave in a provocative manner


No one ???

Please, who is leading in politics, economy, industry, entertainment, who is setting rules for everything and what is role of females in today world?
And these rules are every year worse for females. From one side it looks like they have reach freedom, but when you look at harsh statistics - you'll see something completely different.

One small example: 50 years ago prostitution and pornography were hidden behind seven veils, today every third female younger than 25 has somewhere done or somewhere posted something what can be seen as prostitution or pornography.
Today is almost normal for young college students to pay their studies this way.

Ask your selves - why?

USA statistics are showing alarming rate of secondary sexually transmitted diseases in last ten and five years (look at the www.cdc.gov, don't need to go further..)

(and - I'm not feminist. I'm typical malecentirc pig, I'm just someone who can remember 30-50 years back, who can read, and see and compare past and present data).

John Demille

@BlinkReader

USA statistics are showing alarming rate of secondary sexually transmitted diseases in last ten and five years (look at the www.cdc.gov, don't need to go further..)


That's only a sign of women's freedom. They can do whatever the fuck they want and nobody even blinks an eye. They want to slut around while they're young? nobody frowns upon that. Nobody casts them out and nobody is allowed to shame them. Call a slut a slut and see what you get in return.

But freedom comes with a price and responsibility. You slut around, and you'll catch a disease and you can only blame yourself. Women can't sleep with 20 or 30 men before they settle down and expect to be as clean as a virgin. That didn't use to happen 50 - 60 years ago.

Nobody is forcing them to slut around or whore around. They simply have the freedom to do it without being stopped. Are you suggesting that there is some weird Men's/Patriarchal cabal going around forcing every third woman to camwhore or post nudes on the internet?

This is what women's freedom looks like. This is the consequence of women's libration. These are the choices that women are making for themselves.

(and - I'm not feminist. I'm typical malecentirc pig, I'm just someone who can remember 30-50 years back, who can read, and see and compare past and present data).


Well you're looking at it from a feminist point of view. Feminists want all the freedom and all the power and none of the responsibility. Whenever there is a negative consequence to what they choose, well, let's just blame men.

PUHLEEEESE! 🙄

Replies:   BlinkReader
REP

@BlinkReader

No one ???


Yes - NO ONE!

Yes, I agree that there are many social pressures at work that influence a woman's decision to wear provocative clothing and behave in a provocative manner. But, no one is stuffing her into that dress or controlling her body. If she folds under peer pressure, that is her choice.

today every third female younger than 25 has somewhere done or somewhere posted something what can be seen as prostitution or pornography.


That may be true, but at some point each of those women made a personal decision to walk that path. They may not have seen any alternatives, but they made that decision.

Sexually transmitted diseases is one of the results of peoples' decisions to engage in
sexual activity. It is the result of a decision, not the cause of the decision. I am addressing consensual sex, and excluding rape.

I'm just someone who can remember 30-50 years back, who can read, and see and compare past and present data.


You will have to explain that comment for I see no relationship to past data and the data forcing a woman to wear a provocative outfit or behave in a provocative manner

Crumbly Writer
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@BlinkReader


(and - I'm not feminist. I'm typical malecentirc pig, I'm just someone who can remember 30-50 years back, who can read, and see and compare past and present data).


More than your 'everyone is a prostitute' motif, the big trend for women nowadays is that they can 'be just like the guys'. Women are busy trying to prove they can compete with guys, and nowadays, the best way to attract guys is to engage in kissing contexts with other women in front of a bunch of frat boys—whether or not they're interested in lesbianism. If you want to keep a guy interested, you've got to continually tease him, and occasionally share his interest in pornography lest they find someone else to 'play with'—even though those self-porn episodes almost always come back to haunt them, now that employers are reviewing online posts and ex-boyfriends are quick to post 'revenge porn'.

Replies:   BlinkReader
BlinkReader
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@John Demille


You slut around, and you'll catch a disease and you can only blame yourself.


(1)

And do you think only females can get STD's ???

I'm not speaking for us older, but what if your son/grandson catch something and because of that can't have child(ren) ???

(2)

And what use is for man to sleep with 30-50 woman before he settles down? Story about jihadists and 77 virgins (not so long before it was only 27 of them...) is another sample of wrapped minds. Have you seen any tortured woman who managed to escape their clutches and hear her/their stories?

This is just one small visible part of answer about forcing them...

We can dream as much as we wish, we can read porn literature and watch porn as much as we wish, but please be real in real life ...

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BlinkReader

@Crumbly Writer

...those self-porn episodes almost always come back to haunt them, now that employers are reviewing online posts and ex-boyfriends are quick to post 'revenge porn'...


Funny you mentioned this - when something labeled as nude pictures, plain porn or "revenge porn" is once posted on Net, there is no possibility to remove it. You kick it from one site, and then you can find it in at least ten other sites just minutes after first site is forced to remove it.

And one other small crumb - Oldest mean for humans to survive was to live together as families (and clans and tribes too). This is now dissolving with terrifying speed, and it is going to cost us very much.
Can you have functioning family where you always compare your partner with 50 others?

John Demille
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@BlinkReader


This is just one small visible part of answer about forcing them...


You're all over the place with your arguments, but you're going out of your way to remove the blame from women and assign strictly to men. Thanks Mr. White Knight.

Yes, in many places in the world, mostly muslim countries, women are highly oppressed and forced into a very narrow acceptable behaviour.

But, in the west women are the freest, most independent, most powerful women have ever been in the history of humanity. Since WWII women have been able to gain parity of rights with men and even a bit more. In some countries women have more rights than men (US voting for example).

With all the rights and freedoms comes responsibility.

Humanity's advances don't negate human evolution though, no matter how hard feminists try. For relationships, men are still the pursuers and women the choosers. It's a man's job to convince the woman to allow him into her body, and it's the woman's job to pick who is allowed into her body (and please don't bring up rape, it's criminal and punishable and it's the exception, not the rule). A woman gets to set the price of entry for a man—as low as nothing and as high as a lifetime commitment.

Due to this nature, it's still the norm that women dress to attract the men. When a woman dresses provocatively, it is to attract the best man she can or to gain some advantage. When the women are in sales for example, they tend to reveal some cleavage in order to distract potential men clients and weaken their decision making ability (even by a tiny bit) to be more successful in their job. Dressing in provocative clothing is the women's way to advertise their availability and fertility to potential mates (or to give the illusion of availability in the case of saleswomen). If you think about it, in oppressive countries women are forced to cover up. Only when they're totally free they can wear provocative clothing.

Anyway, ultimately, it's the woman that makes the decision who she allows into her body, thus opening herself to possible STD infections and even pregnancy. If each woman was very choosy and, in a hypothetical world, stuck to one man for life, then STDs won't spread. Of course, same thing for men, if they only sleep with one woman in their lives, then STDs won't spread either. But men don't choose, they pursue and they're chosen.

As for name calling, especially when branding women, it's usually other women that do it. Men generally don't call women sluts and insult them lest they lose their chance to sleep with them. It's usually other women (look up women's intra-sexual competition). For example with studies done on twitter, it was found that more than 80% of the times that the word 'slut' was used in tweets in a derogatory manner was by women and not men. Women gain a lot by suppressing other women's sexuality. Keeping the price of pussy high benefits all women and they like it that way.

And to answer the original question in the thread, yes, some women, in private settings like to be called names. I've gone out with women like that, and even after marriage I found out that the quickest way to push my wife to orgasm was to actually call her names (talk dirty to me!). Of course, she would never accept those names in public.

Replies:   REP
REP

@John Demille

Very well said and I think you covered it all.

@ BlinkReader


While John Demille's post didn't specifically state it, in what he was describing, it was the women making the decisions to dress and behave in the manner they do. When a woman makes these decisions, no one is forcing her to wear provocative clothing or to behave in a provocative manner.

BlinkReader

Khmmm...

I'm for everybody who knows me called woman hater, and because what my first wife made of us and our children I'm first to call some woman whore and slut and all other "good names" when this is deserved.

But you all are forgetting all "think tanks" and media, fashion (and peer) pressure and your fucking liberal politicians and thinkers who are heading changes in their desired way to make you dumb enough and enslave all of you and force you to stop using your small gray points between your ears.

Try to remember how was just 35-40 years ago and compare it to now.
Would you let your daughters or wives 40 (30) years ago to post their nude pictures (or even porn) in newspapers or other then available media? Would your wives approved that your children do so? How would your children look at their peers that have made such shit then?
So what has changed?

Here is another one small notice: shaving.
There is just so much quantity of shaving product that can be used by mans.
So industry leaders were and are pushing fashion to force woman to shave everything, even if it is medically proved that regularly) shaving intimate parts is not healthy.
...
There is gazillion other examples for anyone who can see and think and is able to connect all those dots.

Now if you just try to think with your eyes open...

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REP

@BlinkReader

Your comments make very little sense.

It sounds as if you were in a bad marriage and blame your ex-wife for your marriages failure; marriage is a 2-way relationship and it sounds like the two of you let your marriage fail. Now you seem to believe all women are like your ex-wife and you are blaming all women for everything that has happened to you. Get over it - that is part of life and being an adult man.

As to the rest of your comment - it sounds like garbage in, garbage out. It makes no sense to me and is lacking in logic.

You don't know us and you are not the arbiter of our morality. So stop condemning us for your overactive fantasy of what you apparently believe is our immoral behavior.

Replies:   BlinkReader
BlinkReader

@REP

You are right - It's hard (read impossible) to convince someone in what someone else know (or believe), so let's finish this.

Crumbly Writer

@BlinkReader

Khmmm...

I'm for everybody who knows me called woman hater, and because what my first wife made of us and our children I'm first to call some woman whore and slut and all other "good names" when this is deserved.

I'm sorry, but count me in as one of the 'new-age' liberal thinkers. Still, if someone continues to spew racist/sexist hateful messages based on nothing more than gynophobia, then I've got to speak up.

It's clear you're speaking purely out of venom, rather than any 'clear-sighted' political slant. When you're ready to discuss things rationally, or based on statistics and facts, rather than what your favorite 'talking heads' claim, then I'll listen. Otherwise, I'll shout you down every time!

joyR

@REP

@Crumbly Writer

Thank you both.

Replies:   REP
REP

@joyR

Thank you both.

You are very welcome.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@REP

Thank you both.

You are very welcome.

No thanks needed. I try to stand up for any underdog being abused by unjustified hatred, for whatever reason.

Blinkreader, I'm willing to forgive and forget, chalking the exchange up to frustration, but as much as we hate political diatribes (of both stripes), we're even more touchy about hate speech. That's reason banning you from the site outright.

Now let's bury the whole argument and get back to arguing over which stories are worth reading.

Replies:   REP
REP

@Crumbly Writer

No thanks needed


I agree it wasn't needed.

I view BlinkReader as an angry person who is posting messages based on his feelings of hatred toward (?). Such messages are inappropriate and someone needs to speak out against anyone who posts such messages in this Forum.

However, when someone recognizes you are going out of your way to defend them and thanks you for it, it only seems proper to me to express my recognition of their appreciation.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@REP

someone needs to speak out against anyone who posts such messages in this Forum.

What we need is an Againstum, for people who aren't for things but against them.

Replies:   REP
REP

@richardshagrin

Againstum


Nah, it is more like a push-pull reaction.

If you stand between two opposites with a connection to each, then when you push one, you pull the other.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@REP

when you push one, you pull the other.


"Noun . pushmi-pullyu (plural pushmi-pullyus) a fictional animal with two heads at opposing ends of its body, in Hugh Lofting's The Story of Doctor Dolittle."

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REP

@richardshagrin

I know. I tried to adapt that to your comment. :)

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