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PotomacBob 🚫

My recollection is that when Covid-19 started in the U.S., it was centered in New York. If it somehow had been stopped at the borders of New York, would it still have been a pandemic? An epidemic? When does it take to make it endemic?

John Demille 🚫
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@PotomacBob

If it somehow had been stopped at the borders of New York, would it still have been a pandemic? An epidemic?

When it was confined to New York it would have been considered an epidemic, but once it spread it became a pandemic.

When does it take to make it endemic?

It already is endemic. Covid19 is here to stay, with mutations yearly like the flu.

From now on we live with it. Children catch it when young and develop immunity.

They're going to try to get everybody to get a yearly vaccine like the flu vaccine as there is a lot of money in it.

But once you're vaccinated once or catch it once, any subsequent reinfection is milder than before as your body will know what to do with it, even any variants. Viruses evolve to be more infectious and less deadly and this is the course of Covid. The delta variant is almost unstoppable from spreading, but it's less deadly than all the previous variants despite what anybody may tell you.

You hear now a lot about the number of cases, but nothing about the number of deaths as they're miniscule and a small number of death is not productive for the narrative, so they shift the focus to the number of cases and try to scare you.

Remus2 🚫

@PotomacBob

Endemic:
adj.
Prevalent in or limited to a particular locality, region, or people.
adj.
Native to or limited to a certain region.
adj.
Common in or inherent to an enterprise or situation.

Argon 🚫

@PotomacBob

A disease is endemic if it has a steady, local distribution. An epidemic is a rapid disease spread within a defined region or population. A pandemic is an epidemic that spreads over large areas of the world ("pan" is Greek for "all").
Examples: Malaria is endemic in Central America. Ebola virus caused an epidemic in 2014/15 in West Africa. HIV caused a pandemic, affecting virtually every country in the world. An epidemic, such as Covid19, started as an epidemic in southern China, but soon spread across the world and became a pandemic.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@PotomacBob

My recollection is that when Covid-19 started in the U.S., it was centered in New York.

No, they called NY the epicenter because it had the most cases. Not the first.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

No, they called NY the epicenter because it had the most cases. Not the first.

Correct. In my previous link to the CDC it stated:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today confirmed the first case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in the United States in the state of Washington.

BarBar 🚫

@PotomacBob

To answer the original question: As I understand it (I'm not an expert) ...

If an outbreak is confined to one location and there is suddenly a significant number of cases, that is an epidemic.

If the outbreak spreads to cover many locations in multiple continents (pan means many or all) then it is a pandemic.

Endemic is fancy talk for a commonplace disease or a commonplace plant or animal species. Eg obesity is now endemic in the western world. Eg rats are endemic in many countries.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@BarBar

or a commonplace plant or animal species

Not necessarily commonplace.

For example, I grow some plants that are endemic to New Zealand but they're not very common. One, for example, only grows in a small coastal area of South Island.

AJ

Replies:   BarBar
BarBar 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Hmm.
Subtle change of meaning depending on context.

If I said "This plant is endemic in New Zealand," I would mean it was common throughout NZ.
If I said "This plant is endemic to New Zealand," I would mean it was only found in NZ (such as your example)

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@BarBar

Subtle change of meaning depending on context.

If I said "This plant is endemic in New Zealand," I would mean it was common throughout NZ.
If I said "This plant is endemic to New Zealand," I would mean it was only found in NZ (such as your example)

Excellent point, which provides a clear context for use in other's stories.

imsly1 🚫

@PotomacBob

Actually it's always been a ScamDemic..not a pandemic..
A Pandemic doesn't have a 99% survival rate

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@imsly1

Actually it's always been a ScamDemic..not a pandemic..
A Pandemic doesn't have a 99% survival rate

The medical definitions of epidemic and pandemic do not in any way shape or form require lethality.

It's entirely possible to have a pandemic with a 100% survival rate.

richardshagrin 🚫

@PotomacBob

"What does demic mean?
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Adjective. demic (not comparable) (rare) Of or pertaining to a distinct population of people. (ecology) Of or pertaining to a deme. (dialect) Dysfunctional; broken.

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Simply so, what does demic stand for?
Domestic and Export Market Intelligence Cell

Similarly, what does Pan stand for? Personal Area Network

Also asked, what does the suffix demic mean?

not comparable

What does the prefix epi mean?

a prefix occurring in loanwords from Greek, where it meant "upon," "on," "over," "near," "at," "before," "after" (epicedium; epidermis; epigene; epitome); on this model, used in the formation of new compound words (epicardium; epinephrine).

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What does Pan mean on tinder?
It's actually pretty simple: Pansexuality is a sexual identity used to describe those who could be potentially attracted to all people, regardless of gender. Some people who identify as pansexual put it in the most adorable terms possible and say they care about "hearts and not parts."

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What does Pan stand for in computers?

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The fourth character represents the status of the PAN holder. C stands for Company, P for Person, H for HUF (Hindu Undivided Family), F for Firm, A for Association of Persons (AOP), T for AOP (Trust), B for Body of Individuals (BOI), L for Local Authority, J for Artificial Juridical Person and G for Government.

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What does Endo mean in medical terms?
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What does the prefix ISO mean?
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What does EPI stand for in medical terms?

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What does the root word Dia mean?
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What is an epidermal?
the outer, nonvascular, nonsensitive layer of the skin, covering the true skin or corium. Zoology. the outermost living layer of an animal, usually composed of one or more layers of cells. a thin layer of cells forming the outer integument of seed plants and ferns.

What does the prefix retro mean?
retro- a prefix occurring in loanwords from Latin meaning "backward" (retrogress); on this model, used in the formation of compound words (retrorocket).

What does EU mean in science?

eu- a combining form meaning "good," "well," occurring chiefly in words of Greek origin (eupepsia); in scientific coinages, especially taxonomic names, it often has the sense "true, genuine" (eukaryote)"

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Remus2 🚫
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Some people like to jump up and down screaming racism when this is pointed out, but the facts are the facts.

San Francisco, New York, L.A. and other cities that have large Chinese communities were the first to report it. That can be verified by the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

On January 17, 2020, CDC began implementing public health entry screening at San Francisco (SFO), New York (JFK), and Los Angeles (LAX) airports. This week CDC will add entry health screening at two more airports – Atlanta (ATL) and Chicago (ORD).

Obviously at that time, the CDC recognized the source.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@Remus2

Some people like to jump up and down screaming racism when this is pointed out, but the facts are the facts.

Tracking the first instance of anything is problematic, as its generally acknowledged that it's only the first recorded event, not the only one.

What's more significant, is that the New York version was traced back to the European variant, while the California one was tracked elsewhere (Asia maybe?). But it's generally recognized that the California variant was the earliest, while the New York one was merely the first major outbreak, the difference being that the Californians had already developed widespread antibodies to it, while the New Yorkers hadn't.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Washington state had the first recorded incident. California followed Washington state. As for versions, you mean variants such as the current delta variant, aka covid19 D.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Remus2

As for versions, you mean variants such as the current delta variant

It's annoying how many have adopted the Chinese-approved nomenclature for variants of the Wuhan Flu. ;-)

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son  Remus2
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

It's annoying how many have adopted the Chinese-approved nomenclature for variants of the Wuhan Flu. ;-)

It's annoying how many keep calling it a flu. It's not an influenza, it's a cold on steroids.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dominions Son

It's annoying how many keep calling it a flu. It's not an influenza, it's a cold on steroids.

Technically, it is a Covid variant, and Covid strains are traditionally very much cold related, however the Covid-19 original behaved (for whatever reason) more like a flu than a cold (i.e. the normal cold-related cures had little effect, while the disease mainly attacked the lungs, rather than the nasal passages like a cold does).

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Strain would be a more technically accurate term.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Remus2

Strain would be a more technically accurate term.

As long as it's not 'The Andromeda Strain' ...

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

As long as it's not 'The Andromeda Strain' ...

That would be racist, implying the Andromedans are to blame ;-)

AJ

Remus2 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Where do you find Chinese approval of that nomenclature?

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Remus2

Where do you find Chinese approval of that nomenclature?

He means (I assume) 'Chinese inspired', which is really more of a 'Chinese Flu' rational for the more racist overtures (not his, but in general from a variety of sources, thus the meanings often get convoluted).

I'm not casting stones, but it seems to be where his phrasing originates.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Remus2

The Chinese want to distance the virus and its variants from their points of origin as part of their strategy to hide their culpability in that respect from the history books. Hence their WHO stooges encouraging everyone to use Alpha instead of Kent, Beta instead of South Africa, Delta instead of India etc. And definitely don't mention Wuhan. They even got a paper written by bunch of stooge scientists published in 'The Lancet', claiming the virus couldn't have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

All very Newspeak :-(

AJ

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I don't disagree with any of that. The concept of face is very important to the Chinese government, so it's not unexpected for them to go to great lengths to redirect any fault.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Remus2

Washington state had the first recorded incident. California followed Washington state. As for versions, you mean variants such as the current delta variant, aka covid19 D.

You're right, as the original California cases were traced to Asia via the Washington State outbreak (as best I can recall).

But the use of 'variant' at the time didn't mean 'variant' of the Covid-19 bug itself, but rather 'transmission variant', meaning where the outbreak was traced back to at the time. And, at the time, that was precisely the terminology they used.

Of course, since I live on the East Coast, and the majority of my friends and family come from here and were directly impacted by the New York transmissions, I'd largely ignored the California strains as 'irrelevant' in terms of my personal exposures. The New York expose still tied back to China, but come through Europe, where the virus hadn't yet 'cooled' through less adverse reactions yet.

For someone who lived in or around Manhattan for most of my life, and who had family there at the time, I was more focused there than on the subsequent Florida east-coast cases.

Remus2 🚫
Updated:

It's not worth it - how does this help us as authors?

Learning the difference between race and ethnicity to begin with.

I am not even going to argue if it's racist or not to single out an ethnicity and blame them for any hardships.

Argue that with the CDC. Neither race nor ethnicity come into that picture. Unless you're assuming a specific race or ethnicity represents the whole of the country of China. The waters are particularly turbide if we focus on just the ethnicities within China. Han, Zhuang, Hmong, Li, Tibetan, Mongol, Korean etc. So which of those ethnicities did you assume?

The CDC recognized China the 'country' as the source.

Switch Blayde 🚫

to single out an ethnicity and blame them for any hardships

He didn't single them out. He didn't blame them. The fact is, people traveled to the U.S. from a place where Covid-19 was and brought it with them.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

It spread in other parts of the world like Italy rapidly as well - it isn't a "Chinese Flu"

You do know that the region in Italy where is showed up first had a huge number of Chinese workers from the Wuhan region, right?

Or did you spout off without having all the facts (again)?

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