The definition for "First" is "one of the parties having sex is a virgin."
Does that imply "first" is only for intercourse? What if the girl is a virgin and has her first lesbian sex?
The definition for "First" is "one of the parties having sex is a virgin."
Does that imply "first" is only for intercourse? What if the girl is a virgin and has her first lesbian sex?
I would use it for a first experience of penile/vaginal sex.
Since that isn't specified by the story codes, others may well have different interpretations.
AJ
Wouldn't it depend if the story was coded m/f, m/m, f/f (or whichever codes are applicable)? If I saw 'first' and 'f/f', I'd assume one of the female participants was a virgin.
It's a bit more complex, though, as 'virginity' in public parlance, rightly or wrongly, tends to follow heteronormative standards.
Virginity is generally defined as an intact hymen, and loss of virginity is usually considered to caused by penial insertion.
I would not categorize sexual play that leaves the hymen intact as 'first'. Once we start looking at the other ways that the hymen can be broken or sexual play that does not include a man penetrating a woman's vagina, we get into a grey area. If a woman breaks her hymen by insertion of a tampon, is that considered 'first'. What about the insertion of a dildo? What about physical injury breaking the hymen?
Virginity is generally defined as an intact hymen, and loss of virginity is usually considered to caused by penial insertion.
That's why I asked. I thought "First" was, well, first sexual experience. First vaginal intercourse by a man, of course. But also first anal, first lesbian, other sexual firsts.
But when I saw the word "virgin" in the description I wondered if the story code "First" ONLY meant the first time a man fucked a woman in her vagina, taking her vaginal virginity (even if the hymen wasn't present). So a virgin losing her hymen to a lesbian with a strap-on wouldn't quality for the "First" tag. Or what if it's the first anal in her "virgin" ass?
And I could interpret "one of the parties having sex is a virgin" as not even meaning vaginal penetration by a man or a woman. It could mean a virgin having sex for the first time. Any kind of sex for the first time for this innocent character. I guess that boils down to Clinton's definition of sex or some other.
The question isn't an academic one. I'm writing a story that has no man involved but the Fa/ft both have no experience and gradually increase their sexual activity with each other. Both are virgins. Both have sex for the first time with each other.
Or what if it's the first anal in her "virgin" ass?
I believe that is called loosing your anal virginity.
Sexual activity is such a broad area. I a man fondles a virgin's breasts or fingers her clit without breaking her hymen, is she still a virgin? I would say yes.
I believe that is called loosing your anal virginity.
"Loosing" anywhere near "anal" is bound to be messy.
OTOH, is there any chance you meant "losing"?
And I could interpret "one of the parties having sex is a virgin" as not even meaning vaginal penetration by a man or a woman. It could mean a virgin having sex for the first time. Any kind of sex for the first time for this innocent character. I guess that boils down to Clinton's definition of sex or some other.
Yep.
Totally applicable. As is the girl 'losing her cherry' to a strap-on.
A guy having sex for the first time (albeit with a two-dollar whore) isn't likely what people looking for the 'first' tag would be, either, but it would also qualify.
She was still a virgin before her encounter, so it counts.
I don't think it should be included for the first lesbian encounter of some girl who was the village bike up until that point.
The first penetrative sex of a previously active (but otherwise intact 'virgin') lesbian... probably still gets it (if you want to attract readers who want the 'breaking her in' type story) even if it isn't entirely accurate (consider the guy who, when he raped his daughter, fucked her ass so that he'd "leave her virginity" for whoever he sold her to - true story)
Lazeez didn't respond to clarify what "First" is so I did a search. I excluded (using the -) any code that could have a penis (e.g., the Ma's and mt's, boy, heterosexual, bisexual, shemale, transexual, etc.). I even excluded codes like group, orgy, harem, anything that might have a guy in it. Then I did a + for one female/female combo at a time. These are the results (number of stories):
ft/ft - 40
Fa/ft 60
Fa/Fa - 140
I actually thought the numbers would be in reverse of what they are. I thought ft would have more firsts than Fa.
The numbers are probably higher because I excluded codes like "Group" which could be a group of females.
So whatever Lazeez's intention, many authors on SOL believe "First" is not only a penis penetrating a vagina for the first time, but also the first time a female has sex with another female (oral, etc.).
I actually thought the numbers would be in reverse of what they are. I thought ft would have more firsts than Fa.
It's possible those stories were wrongly coded - I've seen a number of stories recently where the protagonists were described as male or female teens yet the codes used were for adults.
AJ
I've seen a number of stories recently where the protagonists were described as male or female teens yet the codes used were for adults.
Mixing up age when coding a story is one thing. Mixing up genders is on a whole different level.
I suppose checking the wrong box when submitting is possible, if it involves combos that are adjacent in the posting wizard.
I suppose checking the wrong box when submitting is possible
I don't believe that's the case. I actually think the "First" tag with some FF combination is much greater than the numbers I posted since I excluded so many codes that are not male specific codes, such as "group" and "orgy."
I ended up excluding those codes because I noticed that in earlier results, sometimes there was no gender specified so the participants of "group" were not clear.
The point is, if the "First" tag is meant to be the first time for a virgin in a heterosexual penis-in-vagina, then it's being misused. If it's simply a virgin having sex for the first time (whatever "sex" means), then those who think it's the former will believe you coded it wrong when searching for a story by that code.
So I can use the "First" tag or not use it in my story. I will be wrong either way in the eyes of readers.
I don't believe that's the case.
I don't either. It's possible, but in my opinion, exceedingly unlikely.
Mixing up genders is on a whole different level.
I didn't find any evidence of that. Just schoolchildren coded as Ma or Fa,
AJ
Just schoolchildren coded as Ma or Fa,
Gender was clearer when it was simply caps for 18 and over and lower case for under 18 (combinations of M, m, F, f). I never understood the change.
What's the difference between Fa/ft and F/f?
What's the difference between Fa/ft and F/f?
Did SOL ever use just F/f? I don't recall. Maybe I've just gotten too used to the Fa/ft construct.
There are Other sites that use Uppercase/lowercase to indicated dominant vs submissive rather than age.
Someone coming to SOL from one of those sites might read F/f as Femdom/Femsub rather than Fem Adult/Fem Teen.
protagonists were described as male or female teens yet the codes used were for adults.
There's actually a two year window where both are true. Adult starts at 18.
The 'First' code is meant for the experience of the participant. It's for when an innocent person has their first sexual experience.
While traditionally it was for when a virgin girl experiences her first penetration, thus losing her hymen, I think we're beyond that point in western societies now.
A girl that has slept with every other girl in school while technically virgin, is hardly innocent, and if she takes a dick for the first time it doesn't qualify as losing her innocence.
So these days, First would apply to any first experience that goes beyond petting, whether it's first hetero, lesbian or gay experience.