The initiator of a call between two cellphones wants everyone on the receiver's end to be able to hear what's happening at his end, but wants no sound transmitted in the other direction to alert the people he's with that they're being listened to.
Is that a routine accomplishment, or does it require a 'for entertainment' free pass? If the former, I'd appreciate some idea of which buttons/functions to use.
AJ
The initiator puts his phone on speaker and no one on the other end makes a noise.
Turn the volume down to 0 on your side. Alternately, have the person on the other end place their phone on "mute" so the microphone pickup doesn't get sent down the line.
Thanks. Just to check my understanding, you're saying the initiator should turn the volume down to zero or the receiver should put their phone on mute?
AJ
Thanks. Just to check my understanding, you're saying the initiator should turn the volume down to zero or the receiver should put their phone on mute?
If they were being careful, they'd do both. Mute the microphone of the phone for the "eavesdropper" and turn the volume all the down on the phone that's sending--it would only impact what they could hear(and didn't want to) anyway, it has no impact on microphone pickup/transmission to the other phone.
The initiator puts his phone on speaker and no one on the other end makes a noise.
Thanks. I would have guessed at the receiver putting her phone on speaker, not the initiator. Is there no way of stopping sound going in the other direction other than keeping silent? Isn't there a 'mute' function?
AJ
You will also have to hide/switch off the screen because it will show a connection in progress.
You will also have to hide/switch off the screen because it will show a connection in progress.
I currently have the initiator keeping the phone in his pocket since what he's doing is illegal.
AJ
This should be easily tested. Just find a friend/wife/family member and experiment in the same room.
On my cell phone and many phones I have had be it cell or land line for years has had a SPEAKER button that would allow everyone to hear what is being said and a MUTE button which will keep from transmitting anything said (the good old fashion puttingyour hand over the microphone)
When the MUTE button is pressed, does it still allow any incoming sounds to be heard?
(I don't own a cellphone so I can't try it for myself)
AJ
palamedes
6/4/2020, 2:19:22 PM
On my cell phone and many phones I have had be it cell or land line for years has had a SPEAKER button that would allow everyone to hear what is being said and a MUTE button which will keep from transmitting anything said (the good old fashion puttingyour hand over the microphone)
When the MUTE button is pressed, does it still allow any incoming sounds to be heard?
It should.
I don't know about lowering the volume to zero. I thought that was for incoming sounds, not outgoing. Like the phone ringing or the volume of the person speaking on the other end.
I think if you hit the mute and speaker "buttons" on the cellphone it would do what you want. I'm not sure if the receiver would be able to hear if the phone was in your pocket, though.
When you press the MUTE button it turns off the microphone so no sound is sent to the other side. If you turn down or lower the volume then you your self will hear nothing or hear it very softly just like turning the volume down on a radio or tv. For those of us who are old enough we can remember when you would put your hand or hold the phone receiver to your chest so that the party on the other end couldn't hear you. That is what the MUTE button does.
When you press the MUTE button it turns off the microphone so no sound is sent to the other side. If you turn down or lower the volume then you your self will hear nothing or hear it very softly just like turning the volume down on a radio or tv. For those of us who are old enough we can remember when you would put your hand or hold the phone receiver to your chest so that the party on the other end couldn't hear you. That is what the MUTE button does.
Of course, in the really old days, you could also send (albeit poorly) by speaking into the earpiece as well. I doubt you'd be able to do that with many post 1990 phones though. It should be near impossible on a cell phone or cordless these days, the electronics aren't "geared" for listening to signals being generated by the earpiece... While in the older phones it was a continuous circuit, The earpiece just happened to be a better (electrical) receiver than (electrical) transmitter.
Thank you.
I may have to rethink the pocket. Or perhaps leave that detail out and let readers use their imagination.
AJ
I don't know about lowering the volume to zero. I thought that was for incoming sounds, not outgoing. Like the phone ringing or the volume of the person speaking on the other end.
correct, volume control is for "incoming" sound only, not outgoing. "mute" on the phone does create some confusion as it actually mutes your microphone, rather than the "earpiece."
I'd appreciate some idea of which buttons/functions to use.
The initiator turns his phone's volume down to zero. Simples.
Now, as your question is definitively answered, I have one for you...
How do you BBQ a Phoenix ?
How do you BBQ a Phoenix ?
Lots and lots of napalm. Oh wait, you were probably referring to the mythical creature rather than the city in Arizona....
Oh wait, you were probably referring to the mythical creature rather than the city in Arizona....
I was.
Depends on if you believe the Phoenix originated in the Egyptian Bennu myth. The latter believed to be inspired by the extinct bennu heron due to its coloring. If so, you pack it with 13 herbs and spices and BBQ, though you'll need a big BBQ as fossil records have it as human size.
Then you should define which you do believe in if you want an answer.
I believe certain people should endeavour to explore the concept of repartee, as a more pleasant alternative to rectal-cranial inversion.
How do you BBQ a Phoenix ?
It's a trick question, isn't it!
I don't because, being a man, I would inevitably burn the meat causing the bird to regenerate. Therefore I would let a woman BBQ the phoenix.
AJ
I don't because, being a man, I would inevitably burn the meat
Surely you could use the distinct smell of singed pubic hair as a guide to your meat being cooked, not burnt...?
Normally I'd ask what makes a guy feel the need to BBQ his dick, but as it's you, I'd rather not know... Unless you are confusing 'well hung' and 'well done' ??
:)
There are apps out there to let you use a cell phone as a digital voice recorder with no need for an open call. So unless you need someone actively listening in for some reason, that might be a better option.
It should also be noted for anyone considering trying this in real life, that recording or otherwise transmitting a conversation without the consent of all present is illegal in some jurisdictions.
Some jurisdictions is a problem. My state, as long as I agree to the recording, it is legal.
No, some jurisdictions is not a problem, as it explicitly means not all jurisdictions. In terms of legally recording conversations, US states are split between one party consent and "two party" consent.
In a one party consent state, any one party to the conversation can consent to recording it. In a "two party" state, every participant in the conversation has to consent before the recording is legal.
Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. (Notes: (1) Illinois' two-party consent statute was held unconstitutional in 2014; (2) Hawai'i is in general a one-party state, but requires two-party consent if the recording device is installed in a private place; (3) Massachusetts bans "secret" recordings rather than requiring explicit consent from all parties.). Although they are referred to as "two-party consent" laws, consent must be obtained from every party to a phone call or conversation if it involves more than two people. In some of these states, it might be enough if all parties to the call or conversation know that you are recording and proceed with the communication anyway, even if they do not voice explicit consent. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on specific states' wiretapping laws.
https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations
In a one party consent state, any one party to the conversation can consent to recording it. In a "two party" state, every participant in the conversation has to consent before the recording is legal.
And yet the police are allowed to record you without
your consent and then tell you it is illegal to record them because of the 2 party law. Some even tried to use the wiretapping laws to arrest you. Luckily the courts tend to throw them out.
The worst thing about cell phones is it turned so many people into rude people. I have seen entire families sit at a picnic table and ignore each other because they were all on their phones.
I have seen entire families sit at a picnic table and ignore each other because they were all on their phones.
They're not ignoring each other. They're texting each other rather than talking out loud. LOL
They're not ignoring each other. They're texting each other rather than talking out loud. LOL
I heard a story from a former manager that his daughter and two of her friends were going to a "day camp" together in the City. They would sit only a few seats apart on the bus and text each other.
He found out about it because this was back before plans with unlimited texting were common and his daughter managed to rack up $600 in texting fees in one month.
They would sit only a few seats apart on the bus and text each other.
If you believe in evolution, the future human will have 4 thumbs and no vocal cords.
I was driving to see a play. We were meeting my son and his wife there (they drove separately). My daughter-in-law texted my wife that there was an accident and how to avoid it. They were texting back and forth and I finally said to my wife, "Why don't you just call her?"
I finally said to my wife, "Why don't you just call her?"
Did she look at you like you are an insane moron?
Did she look at you like you are an insane moron?
She always does that. :)
btw, she did call.
If you believe in evolution, the future human will have 4 thumbs
It would be kind of interesting if we developed a round "palm" with 4 or 5 fully opposable "fingers"
It would be kind of interesting if we developed a round "palm" with 4 or 5 fully opposable "fingers"
There was a cartoon a long time ago (when computers were mainframes) of someone introducing an employee to another man. The employee had 8 fingers on each hand and the manager said, "This is our hexadecimal expert."
Some phones support a walkie-talkie function and for smartphones there are apps that simulate the same: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/best-walkie-talkie-apps/. Not all of them are private but they can connect to multiple listeners which you may find useful in the setting you described. Easy to use and possibly an "accidental" touch to connect can avoid some legal issues.
With the discussion on the legality of recording phone calls it's important to keep in mind what is under discussion is the legality of the recording as valid evidence in a criminal trial as anyone can record any conversation they're involved in, but it's use as legal evidence varies with how it comes up before the court and what sort of court it comes before.
You are mistaken, Ernest.
Here in California, it is illegal for me to record a conversation without the 2nd party's consent. The intent to use the recording as evidence has no bearing on the legality of making such a recording.
Of course, you aren't going to be charged with illegally recording a conversation unless someone learns you did so. However, what is the point of making such a recording other than for your personal reference. As a personal reference, you can't use the recording to prove something said in the conversation.
Here in California, it is illegal for me to record a conversation without the 2nd party's consent. The intent to use the recording as evidence has no bearing on the legality of making such a recording.
Not exactly.
It is illegal to record a confidential conversation, including a private conversation or telephone call, without consent in California. A violation of this rule is the crime of eavesdropping, per Penal Code 632 PC.
Note that while PC 632 makes it a crime to record a private conversation, a party can legally record a communication made in a public gathering. The law also does not apply to the police and some private citizens when recording a conversation to gather evidence of an offense.
Penal Code 632 is the California statute that makes eavesdropping a crime. In order for an act to be a crime under this statute, then the following must be true:
1. the acts need to be intentional and not accidental,
2. it needs to take place without the consent of the person speaking,
3. the conversation needs to be confidential,
4. the act needs to involve the use of an electronic amplifying or recording device, either to overhear the conversation in the first place or to record it.
So, whilst you stated otherwise;
It is legal for me to record a conversation without the 2nd party's consent. Within the limits set by 632
The intent to use the recording as evidence does have a bearing on the legality of making such a recording. Again within the limits set by 632
Note too that private citizens can get around the law against eavesdropping if they record a conversation in order to gather evidence about certain kinds of crimes. This exception applies if:
1. the person doing the recording is one of the parties to the conversation, and
2. that person is recording the conversation in order to gather evidence that they reasonably believe is related to the commission, by the other party to the conversation, of one of the following crimes:
a. extortion,
b. kidnapping,
c. bribery, or
d. any felony involving violence against another person (such as murder or rape).
Here in California, it is illegal for me to record a conversation without the 2nd party's consent.
I can see them applying that to a public place or a telecommunications system, but they'd have a hard time making it stick for recording on or in a person's private property. Also, transmitting a conversation to another person instead of recording it would be a different.
People have been convicted on this.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/crime/former-tehachapi-city-council-candidate-convicted-of-felony-eavesdropping
People have been convicted on this.
The Police Dept is NOT the man's private property.
The Police Dept is NOT the man's private property.
There is nothing in the text of the statute that would make the recording happening on private property relevant.
There is nothing in the text of the statute that would make the recording happening on private property relevant.
Because it would be covered under your basic rights to be secure in your person and your own house.
Because it would be covered under your basic rights to be secure in your person and your own house.
Which wouldn't apply where you secretly record a conversation with someone else and they later find out about it and file a complaint.
The only good thing about texting is they are not talking or yelling in public. I was on a bus once and everybody on had to listen to this guy screaming and cussing at his baby-mama how much a whore she was.
Remember back in time when you see someone that looks like they were talking or yelling at no one around them you thought ok he's nuts. Now you have to look for the bluetooth.
