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darloboy641

How do I do that?

Ross at Play

I have not got a clue what you mean.

The answer you want may be, "If a story needs fixing then just send a Help Request to the Webmaster and explain your problem."

Ernest Bywater

If you wish to upload a revised story content simply use the wizard and select the option to Repost Story or to Repost Chapter and upload the new version.

If you're really after totally deleting the story you have to email the webmaster - but doing so loses all the votes comments and benefits accrued from the story. Thus anything accrued toward a free membership by that story is taken away.

darloboy641

Ross the 1st chapter is strewn with errors, not enough thought. Just want to correct it, that all.I have contacted the webmaster and not bothered about benefite and stuff as Ernest is saying

darloboy641

What or where is the Wizard?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ross at Play

If you want to post a new version the Wizard is:
Home > Authors/Editors > Post&Repost

If your new version is not ready ... you don't want readers looking at something full of errors ... you need to ASK the Webmaster.

You've agreed to a contract by making a post. He is entitled to refuse for a set period.

Lazeez will ALWAYS put readers' interests first ... but he'll do whatever he can. He's an absolutely reasonable and approachable guy.

Perhaps the best idea is to have the story temporarily placed behind the Premier Members Only wall?

Alternatively, post a new version, adding an author note to the front saying you're working on revisions, please wait until you post a revision with a new note saying it is now in a fit state to read.

Ross at Play

One question ... when you look at your Story Stats, has anyone put your story in their Library, i.e. they liked it enough (despite obvious errors) they want to be alerted when new chapters are posted, etc.

If so, Lazeez is very unlikely to agree to delete the story so you can try again later. That would break links premier members have created. There's NO WAY he would do that to them.

Ernest Bywater

@darloboy641

What or where is the Wizard?


The Story Submission Wizard - it's how you upload a story to SoL - you just go through the same process as uploading a new story, but early in the piece you select the Repost Chapter option - this also saves you having to upload the synopsis again.

darloboy641

Ah OK thanks

Replies:   REP
REP
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@darloboy641

Just an observation darloboy641, and not intended as criticism.

It sounds to me that your situation was caused by not taking the time to ensure the story was ready for posting. I recall one author with whom I exchanged emails who did the same thing. The author told his readers in a preface that he knew there were typos and grammatical structure errors in the story - that was the first thing that I found objectionable about him as an author. He told his readers that when he has time, he will go back and fix the errors to make the story readable. He also asked them to overlook the fact that he was posting the story before it was ready to be posted.

I pointed out to him that my personal opinion was that I considered it insulting to force me to wade through all the errors contained in the story, when he could have taken a day or so to fix the errors in a chapter before posting it. I also told him that as far as I was concerned, I would not read his stories in the future since that is the way he treated his readers.

One thing you may want to keep in mind for the future is there is no reason to post a story that contains errors that you know about. Yes, we do overlook errors when we edit our stories. Sending the story off to an editor helps reduce the errors we miss. After doing everything you can to eliminate errors, a few seem to be overlooked. I consider those errors to be understandable and to some extent acceptable.

I complete my story before I post it for it gives me the option to change the earlier chapters, if necessary. I probably read through my earlier chapters more than three times before completing the story. Then I go through the chapters a couple of more times before sending them off to my editor.

Waiting a couple of weeks or more to post a story won't hurt your credibility with your readers - posting a poorly written story will.

It is your choice as to how much effort you put into editing your story and when to post your story.

Ernest Bywater

@REP

Sending the story off to an editor helps reduce the errors we miss.


I have a virtual host of editors checking my stories, yet there are still errors that slip by us all. Also, by the time I finish a story I've gone over it several times and picked up a number of errors in that process. The oddest thing about editing is when correcting issues raised by my first editor I sometimes cut and paste or delete sections and create an error due to not getting the selection right (usually out by a letter or a word); this is because my first editor is also the main content and continuity editor, and he points out where the wording needs work more than typos or spelling.

Replies:   REP
REP

@Ernest Bywater

As I said, many of us do our best to ensure the story is error free before posting, but we always seem to miss errors to include errors we introduced in the process of fixing other errors.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@REP

As I said, many of us do our best to ensure the story is error free before posting, but we always seem to miss errors to include errors we introduced in the process of fixing other errors.


Tell me about it. I've one editor who frequently has me cutting the longer sentences in half - especially those where I have a list of actions taken by the one person. I see no reason not to follow his advice. Then I later get emails from a specific reader who tells me a certain sentence has no subject so I need to now add words to have it make sense. - - Is it any wonder my hair has developed a lot of grey since I started paying closer attention to the editorial process!

Replies:   REP  Crumbly Writer
REP

@Ernest Bywater

Have you chastised that reader for your gray hairs? :)

Ernest Bywater

@REP

Have you chastised that reader for your gray hairs? :)


Nah, I thank him, and just get on with life. I'd rather have people feel free to tell me about errors, than being scared to do so.

awnlee jawking

@REP

Have you chastised that reader for your gray hairs? :)


Do you mean reader or editor? An editor who suggests ungrammatical English is not necessarily the asset you would wish for. :)

AJ

Geek of Ages

@awnlee jawking

An editor who suggests ungrammatical English is not necessarily the asset you would wish for.


It depends on the style you're aiming for. Non-standard grammar as a method of characterization or setting is perfectly reasonable, and an astute editor might recognize e.g. a mistake and suggest a correction to the non-standard form.

For example:
"He said he couldn't get any satisfaction" might have an editor point out that it would characterize better if phrased as "He said he couldn't get no satisfaction"

Crumbly Writer

@REP

Waiting a couple of weeks or more to post a story won't hurt your credibility with your readers - posting a poorly written story will.

It is your choice as to how much effort you put into editing your story and when to post your story.

Ditto (says another of the 'I only post completed stories' crowd). 'D

Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

Is it any wonder my hair has developed a lot of grey since I started paying closer attention to the editorial process!

Hair? You still have hair after posting to SOL this long? 'D Me, I've ripped most of mine out after extensive editing sessions.

Crumbly Writer
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@awnlee jawking


Do you mean reader or editor? An editor who suggests ungrammatical English is not necessarily the asset you would wish for. :)


That's not what Ernest said. One editor advised him to cut his prolonged sentences into shorter segments, while a reader criticized him for dividing them into incomplete sentences. It sounds like the problem is that Ernest, like a lot of us, doesn't always resubmit his corrections to his editors to sign off on. But in the end, the errors are Ernest's, not his editors.

Replies:   richardshagrin  REP
richardshagrin

@Crumbly Writer

corrections to his editors to sigh off on

off and on. Offer, Honor. I offer my honor I honor your offer. There was a joke in there somewhere. When editors sigh there may be a problem, whether off or on.

Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

Do you mean reader or editor? An editor who suggests ungrammatical English is not necessarily the asset you would wish for. :)


Not his fault. He suggests I split the sentence by putting a full stop in at point 'x' - so I look at it, and think he has a case. I put the full stop in, then send it off to the next editor. Often they'll spot it and say, 'hey fix this.' Sometimes they miss something, sometimes it's the last editor who says to split, so it's only me and the proof reader who see it before it posts. It matters not, it comes back on me and me missing it when doing the final read through.

REP
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@Crumbly Writer

Separate him not with a comma or end him with a period, least we be battered by an explanation mark. :)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@REP

Separate him not with a comma or end him with a period, least we be battered by an explanation mark. :)


For that, I will drag you off stage using a question mark for a hook.

Replies:   REP  Ross at Play
REP

@Dominions Son

:)

Ross at Play

@Dominions Son

For that, I will drag you off stage using a question mark for a hook.

... and do something very nasty to your colon.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Ross at Play

... and do something very nasty to your colon.


But what if I only have a semi-colon? :)

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@Dominions Son

But what if I only have a semi-colon? :)

Hm? Square peg and round hole, eh? I have a hammer that will fix that problem. :)

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