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Anomandaris

https://www.wattpad.com/user/vicky4470

This person has plagiarized several stories that are from here from Authors that I have read. I have reported them as stolen work, but apparently the authors need to contact them to have them taken down from Wattpadd.

Xalir is someone I know for sure,RoustWriter has been copied, and a couple of other SOL stories have been copied for sure.

Replies:   Capt. Zapp  Pars001
Capt. Zapp

@Anomandaris

Not sure of the others but RoustWriter's jumped right out at me:

https://www.wattpad.com/story/27955820-the-new-life-book-1-arlene-and-jeff
The New Life ( book 1 arlene and jeff)
ROMANCE
2.1K 35 29
While Jeff is away finalizing the sale of his invention, a local bully coerces Jeff's wife and daughter into having sex. Jeff has to put his family back together and clean up the situation with the bully, while at...

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Capt. Zapp

"Arlene and Jeff" is tagged as "much sex" on SOL. That's not allowed on wattpad.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Switch Blayde

I recognised TechnicDragon's stories too. Most of them are also 'much sex'.

AJ

REP

I got into Wattpad earlier today and documented the stories this person Vicky4470 had posted to the Wattpad site. There were 13 stories listed and all but 2 were written by SOL authors: Cogito, Roustwriter, TechnicDragon, and Xalir.

I checked some of the on-line book stores to see if any of the stories were being sold, but didn't find anything.

I went back a little while ago to check something and there were only two stories listed and Roustwriter's Arlene and Jeff was one of them. I'll send him an email as soon as I finish this post.

Replies:   REP
REP

@REP

I just found two things on the Wattpad site that have me confused:

1) The list of 13 stories is still there, but it doesn't come up with a search on Vicky4470 like it did earlier today.

2) On the full list that I just found, the book's cover is shown with the book's title and by Vicky4470. To me, that makes it appear that this Vicky4470 is claiming authorship of the stories. When I expanded several of the stories, Vicky4470 was crediting the authorship to the actual SOL author. On other stories, there was no credit given to the actual author.

Does anyone have an explanation for what I am seeing on the Wattpad site?

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Anomandaris

I emailed roust about it, along with Xalir. I couldn't remember TechnicDragons name...

Bondi Beach

@REP

Deleted my response. The link in question leads to exactly what REP described. So I second the question: what's the point of saying "By vicky4470" and then crediting the actual author?

bb

Replies:   Switch Blayde  REP
Switch Blayde
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@Bondi Beach


what's the point of saying "By vicky4470" and then crediting the actual author?


Maybe wattpad inserts the person's user-id there.

btw, the person says some of the chapters are private so maybe that's how she got around the sex scenes.

TechnicDragon

Thank you for the emails regarding this issue. I have already reported my stolen stories to Wattpad. I'm now waiting for a response to find out what else they may need as proof of theft.

Ernest Bywater

I wonder if Wattpad have a section like Goodreads does where account holders can list a story by someone else as one they like, and then provide a link to where you can get the story. I know this is how Goodreads operates because they had some of my stories listed, and when I contacted them the only advice I got was to create my own account with them and take ownership of the stories, which I did - but that doesn't always work the way you expect it to, so some stories have multiple entries, and the system tries to get me to take ownership of a couple of stories by another author of the same name that aren't my stories.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  REP
Switch Blayde

@Ernest Bywater

where account holders can list a story by someone else as one they like, and then provide a link to where you can get the story.


A wattpad user can put someone else's story in their library, either a public one that others can see or a private one. The public ones show up when you view their profile. But they are wattpad stories and wattpad does the linking.

TechnicDragon

I checked the vicky4470 author page this morning. All of the stories s/he posted have been removed.

REP

@Bondi Beach

what's the point of saying "By vicky4470" and then crediting the actual author?


What you see at first is the cover of a book with the title and her name as the author, which leads the reader to assume she wrote the story. You have to bore down about 2 levels to find her accreditation of the actual author's name, and if you are a reader looking for a link to the story so you can read it, the accreditation is easy to overlook. Furthermore, I did not see an accreditation on all of her stories. I don't recall which had accreditations and which didn't.

She had a following of around 45 followers IIRC. She posted comments to what appears to be a blog, and these comments were sent to her followers; at least that is the way Wattpad's blogs appear to function. We all know of the feedback we get from our readers, and I believe she received similar feedback thanking her for going to the effort of letting her readers read the stories she wrote. She did make a mistake however when she posted Cogito's Demigod. She failed to note that it was incomplete and inactive. She fobbed this off by telling her readers that she did not plan to complete the story because she had become bored with it.

REP

@Ernest Bywater

where account holders can list a story by someone else as one they like, and then provide a link to where you can get the story.


I joined Wattpad to gather as much data as possible on Vicky. In my profile, I can define stories in a reading list. I gave it a try but I must not be doing something right for I didn't see what I expected.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@REP

I joined Wattpad to gather as much data as possible on Vicky. In my profile, I can define stories in a reading list. I gave it a try but I must not be doing something right for I didn't see what I expected.

Ask Switch, as he's the only SOL author I know who's a member of Wattpad. I tried, years ago, but Wattpad is basically a social trading site (i.e. I'll read your story if you read mine) and thus it's based on accumulating Likes and Friends more than it is on actual writing. If you're willing to put in the effort, the benefits are great, but if you're not a social being (or over the age of 20), you'll likely have troubles getting much traction on the site (I failed miserably since I tried to make 'friends' by posting stories, rather than gathering friends first who'll vote my stories up before posting).

Replies:   REP  Switch Blayde
REP
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@Crumbly Writer

Thanks CW.

As I said earlier, I really wasn't interested in the site except as a resource for information about Vicky. The little time I spent on the site did not impress me. I could not find the equivalents of SOL's Forum, New Stories, Updates, and Authors screens. It did provide a search function, but you had to use it you had to know the specifics such as full author penname. The features I was looking for may have been available, but I couldn't find them.

Replies:   Not_a_ID
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

Ask Switch


I spend my time in the Industry Insiders club where we discuss publishing, both traditional and self.

I do have some short stories on there, but haven't in a long, long time. And I never quite mastered the site.

Not_a_ID

@REP

I could not find the equivalents of SOL's Forum, New Stories, Updates, and Authors screens.


Forums are becoming a dying breed. The internet is becoming increasing personalized, and services are becoming more and more Facebook-like as time progresses.

The discussions are either reached via #hastag or by "news feed" based on people you are either following, or have friended within the service. Otherwise they're #topical and often in the form of comments following a blog post or news article depending on the site in question.

Centralized Discussion Forums are so "pre-Facebook" these days. Closest "trendy" thing to it these days is Reddit.

Crumbly Writer

@Not_a_ID

Forums are becoming a dying breed. The internet is becoming increasing personalized, and services are becoming more and more Facebook-like as time progresses.

The LinkedIn Forums are still strong, but that's despite LinkedIn's attempt to drive forum users away from the site by making it harder and harder to post (i.e. making the site more difficult to manage for the average user). :(

Replies:   Not_a_ID
Not_a_ID

@Crumbly Writer

The LinkedIn Forums are still strong, but that's despite LinkedIn's attempt to drive forum users away from the site by making it harder and harder to post


LinkedIn also caters to an older demographic that doesn't tend to embrace change like the younger types do.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Switch Blayde

@Not_a_ID

Forums are becoming a dying breed.


wattpad has forums. It calls them clubs. I guess the clubs are like the topics here. They have Industry Insiders, Improve Your Writing, Genre specific ones, the Cafe (which is social), etc.

Crumbly Writer

@Not_a_ID

LinkedIn also caters to an older demographic that doesn't tend to embrace change like the younger types do.

It also represents recognized industry leaders/experts, as opposed to the mostly amateur authors on Wattpad (like SOL) who mostly market their works to friends (thought there are a few notable exceptions).

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

It also represents recognized industry leaders/experts, as opposed to the mostly amateur authors


There's one author on wattpad whose last advance was $750,000. There are other authors who are traditionally published as well, just not as successful as that one. But most of the wattpadders are teenagers.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

There's one author on wattpad whose last advance was $750,000. There are other authors who are traditionally published as well, just not as successful as that one. But most of the wattpadders are teenagers.

I also imagine there are several representatives of the major publishing houses offering 'insider advice', but I can almost guarantee there aren't many over 25-years-of-age.

Not that I'm belittling the site, but there's clearly a different focus between the amateur teens on the one site, and the established professionals on the other, and technological/cultural barrier between them prevents many from crossing over from the other site. :(

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

but I can almost guarantee there aren't many over 25-years-of-age.


Most people in the Industry Insider's club are adults, most with teenaged kids.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

Most people in the Industry Insider's club are adults, most with teenaged kids.

Again, since I don't frequent the site, I'm making blanket assumptions. Publishers are interested in the 'Young Adult' market, and thus are interested in developing and identifying new talent, but few industry insiders are up-to-date on what their kids are up to.

Switch Blayde
Updated:

Found this article, titled "Stealing Books in the Age of Self-Publishing," at https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/06/plagiarism-in-the-age-of-self-publishing/485525/

"In the world of self-publishing, where anyone can put a document on Amazon and call it a book, many writers are seeing their work being appropriated without their permission. Some books are copied word-for-word while others are tinkered with just enough to make it tough for an automated plagiarism-checker to flag them. (Though the practice is legally considered copyright infringement, the term "plagiarism" is more widely used.)"

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REP

@Switch Blayde

One of the things I noticed in that article was one of the authors was able to obtain royalties from Amazon for the plagiarized books. Perhaps the authors Hooriyz Ahmed plagiarized could receive funds for the sale of their stories that hadn't been sent to her.

The person who plagiarized that person admitted it in an email and that plus jumping through a few hoops resulted in her getting the moneys. The email to Ernest would be a similar situation if any of them want to pursue the issue.

garymrssn

Apparently someone or maybe the same one is at it again. Harddaysknight and Coaster2 posted in their blogs today that someone using the alias Ronald Trumph had posted their stories on Amazon.

Pars001

@Anomandaris

I checked as I am on Wattpad now that author has NO stories in his writing list. I checked a few others and all I got was this page is missing so I hope that Wattpad took all of them down.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer  REP
Crumbly Writer

@Pars001

I checked as I am on Wattpad now that author has NO stories in his writing list. I checked a few others and all I got was this page is missing so I hope that Wattpad took all of them down.

Let's hope he didn't just do what most do--abandoned his previous ID and created an entirely new one so he could start again without any bad associations.

REP
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@Pars001

@ Crumbly Writer

I posted a number of comments about Vickie's activities on Wattpad in this thread.

Switch Blayde said most of the participants on Wattpad are teens.

I don't recall mentioning it, but I sent a message to Wattpad webmaster regarding Vicky's stories, which probably had something to do with Wattpad taking down Vicky's stories. I also posted a comment on Vicky4470 timeline about her plagiarism. She responded to me with a message. If what she said is true, and I think it is based on SB's comment, she is a teenager. She said she thought that since she always gave accreditation to the original authors, she thought that it was okay to post stories under her penname. She stated that she had deleted the stories from her account - regardless of why they were deleted, they were gone. She asked a question about copyright laws, so I gave her a brief explanation of the copyright laws and possible repercussions. I then dropped it since she was probably underage.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@REP

I then dropped it since she was probably underage.

Given the circumstances, and her responses, that's a reasonable assumption. It's not unreasonable to assume that many stories on a 'free-posting' site are beyond their copyright (despite the clear copyright symbol and date listed on each story index).

Hopefully that means these latest copyright troubles are past.

Replies:   Geek of Ages
Geek of Ages

@Crumbly Writer

And that copyright in the United States at least is life of author plus something like 70 years—well longer than the Internet has even been around.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Geek of Ages

And that copyright in the United States at least is life of author plus something like 70


Yep, it's life + 70 years after the last extension, but it wasn't always that way. '

The 1976 copyright act which brought US copyright law into closer alignment with the Bern Convention had a term of life + 50 years (or a flat 90 years for copyrights where a corporation was the legal author).

Prior to 1976, under the 1909 copyright act, the term of copyrights was 20 years with a 20 year extension available. Unlike the 1998 extension which was retroactive to all works still under copyright, the 1976 act did not apply the new life + 50 year term to works originally published under the 1909 act.

Instead the 1976 act contained a provision allowing works published prior to 1976 and not having expired their original 20 year term to register for a single additional 20 year extension.

Now, in 2017, anything published in the US prior to 1976 is off copyright.

Replies:   Geek of Ages
Geek of Ages

@Dominions Son

Sure, but how many of the stories on here were written prior to 1976?

Dominions Son

@Geek of Ages

Sure, but how many of the stories on here were written prior to 1976?


Probably none, but the Science-Fiction sister site was kick started by Lazeez with off copyright stories (probably from Project Gutenberg).

zellus
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@Geek of Ages

I've only seen one, and the funny thing is that it's premium content...

http://storiesonline.net/s/61544/the-count-of-monte-cristo

http://storiesonline.net/a/Alexandre_Dumas

Geek of Ages

@zellus

To be fair, translated works are more complicated, as the translation can be under copyright (as a transformative creative work) while the original text (or other translations) are not.

helmut_meukel

@Dominions Son

Sure, but how many of the stories on here were written prior to 1976?

Probably none, but the Science-Fiction sister site was kick started by Lazeez with off copyright stories (probably from Project Gutenberg).


I just checked some of my older books by famous authors and some are written prior to 1976 and I have no ebook version only dead tree editions in german and some in english.
I would like to get these books as ebooks but they are not at SciFi-Stories (yet).

e.g. To Ride Pegasus (by Anne McCaffrey)
Time Enough for Love (by Robert A. Heinlein)
The Door into Summer (by Robert A. Heinlein)
Way Station (by Clifford D. Simak)
City (by Clifford D. Simak)

HM.

JohnBobMead

@helmut_meukel

Way Station (by Clifford D. Simak)


Actually used that book as the one I had to examine in a Pastoral Literature course in college. The Prof was _completely_ unfamiliar with the SF/F field, but I got an A. Didn't find out until later that Simak _is_ considered a writer of Pastoral literature by the academics familiar with him, so I was in good company in my thinking so.

Way Station is one of my favorite books.

Dominions Son

@helmut_meukel

I would like to get these books as ebooks but they are not at SciFi-Stories (yet).


They may never be at SciFi-Stories. The Public domain stories were just added as a kick start.

Try https://www.gutenberg.org/

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Ernest Bywater

@helmut_meukel

e.g. To Ride Pegasus (by Anne McCaffrey)


As much as I hate to do this, but:

https://www.amazon.com/Ride-Pegasus-Talents-Saga/dp/0345336038

Ross at Play

@helmut_meukel

I can help you with all of those.
Send me an email at rossmurray.aust@gmail.com.

helmut_meukel

@Ernest Bywater

e.g. To Ride Pegasus (by Anne McCaffrey)

As much as I hate to do this, but:

https://www.amazon.com/Ride-Pegasus-Talents-Saga/dp/0345336038


The copyright dates of the three Pegasus books are
1973 To Ride Pegasus
1991 Pegasus in Flight
2000 Pegasus in Space
Only book 1 is off copyright, the other two are copyrighted until 2082, so it makes sense for Amazon to offer all three.
As long as Amazon offers ebooks only in their proprietory Kindle format, I won't by any.
The last dead tree edition I bought was "Sky Dragon" [Del Ray, 2013].
Prior to this for about 18 years I bought all my (dead tree) books from Amazon.

BTW, I hate DRM, so all my ebooks are DRM-free. Thanks Baen.

HM.

Ernest Bywater
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@helmut_meukel

You may want to check if any of them are off copyright or not. The copies of Anne's books I have show the Talent Series as being originally published in the UK, and she died in 2011 so they come under the life plus 70 years so it's copyrighted until September 2081.

edit to add: Some of her books were first released and copyrighted in the US and some in the UK, but I can't find a definitive list of which is which.

she has her own website

http://www.pernhome.com

Geek of Ages

Just because it was published before 1976 doesn't mean that it's out of copyright. Steamboat Willie, from the '30s is still under copyright!

The point was only that the law changed in 1976.

Replies:   REP
REP

@Geek of Ages

The point was only that the law changed in 1976.


However, the new law plus modifications defines what is and is not copyrighted. If the new law did not 'grandfather' prior terms of copyright, there is no guarantee the works are still protected.

JohnBobMead
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@Ernest Bywater


As much as I hate to do this, but:


Then don't:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/to-ride-pegasus-anne-mccaffrey/1100292661?ean=9780345457516

edit to fix inevitable spelling error.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@JohnBobMead

Then don't:


When I ran a google search for it as an e-book the B&N page did not show on the first 50 hits (I've it set to show 50 at a time). Around hit 40 they were listing books by other people with the word Pegasus, despite me having Anne's name as a string and the book title as a string so it should only show where both match. So I didn't go to later pages on Google.

Crumbly Writer

@Geek of Ages

Sure, but how many of the stories on here were written prior to 1976?

That's true, but you'll find most of the stories currently posting in Sci-Fi, at least, are stories well past their copyright. The people involved may have seen those (or similar stories on SOL) and simply assumed they applied to ALL the stories on SOL.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Probably none, but the Science-Fiction sister site was kick started by Lazeez with off copyright stories (probably from Project Gutenberg).

That's how he kick starts most of his sites, only the initial stories on SOL have aged out of the system a long time ago. (And personally, I wish he'd knock it off on sci-fi, as I feel most authors feel like their stories are getting buried under all the junk and thus he may be preventing more contributions, rather than encouraging both readers and authors.)

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Crumbly Writer

@zellus

I've only seen one, and the funny thing is that it's premium content...

It was one of the early stories, still left on the site. Check Sci-Fi, they're a dime a dozen, almost literally (they're actually MUCH cheaper than that)!

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

I wish he'd knock it off on sci-fi


I didn't realize he was still posting off copyright stories.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

They may never be at SciFi-Stories. The Public domain stories were just added as a kick start.

Not quite. Most of the new stories added there are STILL public domain works!

Crumbly Writer

@helmut_meukel

BTW, I hate DRM, so all my ebooks are DRM-free. Thanks Baen.

The majority of Kindle books are DRM free, but it's a switch you've got to select when you submit the work. Most authors (hopefully) know that readers DESPISE DRM, because it often restricts rightful purchasers from reading their legally purchased books.

Grant
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@Crumbly Writer

as I feel most authors feel like their stories are getting buried under all the junk

While some of those old stories aren't that great, many of them are rather good, and considering the rate of posting there (1 a week or less is not a lot) compared the rate stories are posted here, it's here that the good stories are getting "buried under junk".

awnlee jawking

@Grant

it's here that the good stories are getting "buried under junk"


I resemble that remark!

They may be junk, but a few readers actually enjoy reading my stories. I'm happy that SOL is a home for lower quality submissions.

AJ

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madnige

@zellus

I've only seen one, and the funny thing is that it's premium content...


Another one, also premier:

http://storiesonline.net/s/33179/fanny-hill
http://storiesonline.net/a/John_Cleland

Switch Blayde

@zellus

I've only seen one, and the funny thing is that it's premium content...


There are 3 novel-classic stories on SOL.
But there are nearly 500 novel-pocketbook ones.

Crumbly Writer

@Grant

considering the rate of posting there (1 a week or less is not a lot) compared the rate stories are posted here, it's here that the good stories are getting "buried under junk".

Sorry, I didn't mean that the stories themselves are junk, after all, most are considered classic best-selling sci-fi novels. Instead I consider them to be freeware junk (stories loaded at no cost) to the site but which overwhelm the contributions of new authors struggling to find their voice.

However, comparing the site to SOL, I can easily find my own stories when I post on SOL, whereas I typically have to search through multiple listings before finding my stories when they post on sci-fi. I don't know how many new chapters are posted on scifi vs SOL, but anecdotally, it doesn't seem compatible.

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robberhands

@awnlee jawking

I resemble that remark!...

...They may be junk, but a few readers actually enjoy reading my stories.

How very humble of you! However, I'd like to know if you mistakenly used 'resemble' in your phrase, or is it used here with a definition new to me?

awnlee jawking

@robberhands

It's a humorous play on the commonly used expression 'I resent that remark'. To work, it requires some actual resemblance between what the originator said and the respondee. In my case, I wrongly thought @Grant was praising the out-of-copyright stories and questioning the quality of stories purposely written for SOL. My scores speak for themselves :(

AJ

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Ross at Play
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@robberhands

However, I'd like to know if you mistakenly used 'resemble' in your phrase, or is it used here with a definition new to me?

There are many expressions in English where an incorrect word with a similar sound is used for humorous effect. Cockneys love doing that. This one goes back as far as the Three Stooges, if not before.

If you see an expression that seems meaningless, you might try putting the whole thing into a search engine. That would have told you with this one.

Replies:   robberhands
robberhands

@Ross at Play

If you see an expression that seems meaningless, you might try putting the whole thing into a search engine. That would have told you with this one.

True, but I prefer to delegate work, so I asked and got an answer ... two actually.

Joe Long

@awnlee jawking

It's a humorous play on the commonly used expression 'I resent that remark'.


Self deprecating humor, saying, "Hey, you're talking about me!"

Again, one my father used frequently. His grandfather, who he knew well as a child, was raised near Bishop Auckland.

Joe Long

Hey guys - looks like there's a new nickname policy in effect here, so now you can call me "Joe."

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Grant

@Crumbly Writer

However, comparing the site to SOL, I can easily find my own stories when I post on SOL, whereas I typically have to search through multiple listings before finding my stories when they post on sci-fi. I don't know how many new chapters are posted on scifi vs SOL, but anecdotally, it doesn't seem compatible.

I don't know why you can't find your stories on the home page there.

For non-premium members the Home page stream listing for this site shows the stories for around the last 24 hours. Depending on the amount of postings it could be (almost) 48, sometimes it's a little as 12 hours (depending on the number of blog posts as much as any thing else).

On Sci-Fi stories it shows the posts for around the last month.
At the moment Vincent Berg makes up 11 out of 29 posts on the home page stream there.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Grant

On Sci-Fi stories it shows the posts for around the last month.
At the moment Vincent Berg makes up 11 out of 29 posts on the home page stream there.

It's more a matter of timing (maybe all the 'classic' stories get dumped first thing every morning). When I post on SOL, my stories usually appear near the top of the 'Series Updates' list. When I do the same on Sci-Fi, I typically have to search through a list of classic stories to find my latest post.

The stories are there, and it doesn't take a lot of searching. Call it a minor annoyance, at best.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater
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@Crumbly Writer


When I do the same on Sci-Fi, I typically have to search through a list of classic stories to find my latest post.


I wonder if you're checking the right list, CW. I just checked the Updated Stories list on SciFi and it has 7 entries for the last 30 days. 1 by Lumpy, 2 by you, and 4 by Pars001. While the New Stories list has 36 stories in the last 30 days, with yours being first.

typo edit

pangor

@Dominions Son

Probably none, but the Science-Fiction sister site was kick started by Lazeez with off copyright stories (probably from Project Gutenberg).


Call me stupid, but this thread is the first place where I have heard of a Sci-Fi oriented "sister site" for SOL. But nobody mentioned an address! So: Where can I find it?

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Grant

@pangor

this thread is the first place where I have heard of a Sci-Fi oriented "sister site" for SOL. But nobody mentioned an address! So: Where can I find it?

On the Home page, Left hand side, down the bottom in the Links section.
" Lazeez's Blog
" Finestories.com
" Sci-Fi Stories.com

Ernest Bywater

@pangor

Call me stupid, but this thread is the first place where I have heard of a Sci-Fi oriented "sister site" for SOL. But nobody mentioned an address! So: Where can I find it?


https://scifistories.com

sejintenej

@Joe Long

now you can call me "Joe."

but were you a GI?

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