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REP 🚫

Some time ago, I merged two story lines. In doing so, I created a problem with two characters having the same name. This later became a problem with another of my story lines. I recall mentioning this in the past, but decided to address the subject again.

My solution was to create a list of first and last character names.
When I create a file of story data for a new story I add my list of character names to the story data, and then select a new character's name from the list and delete the first and last names from my story data file.

In creating the list, I searched the Internet for lists of first and last names and added them to a spreadsheet using two columns for first and last names. I then sorted each column of names and deleted duplicates of the same name. I then randomized the list of names, so I wouldn't be picking the in alphabetic order. I now have a master list of first and last names that I use to select character names for my stories. The only problem I now have is with the older stories. my list of names occasionally contains the first or last name of an existing character.

Do you have this problem with your character names?

jimq2 🚫

@REP

Charlie for now doesn't. He just keeps using Charles Cxxx for most of his MCs.

TheDarkKnight 🚫

@REP

Yes! I've been worried about inadvertently reusing names, so a few months ago I started an index of names I have used, including which stories they appeared in and other details. Unfortunately, the only way I can gather the info is by at least scanning all my posted stories, and that has been boring enough that the project has ground to a halt. Like many other things in my life, I should probably simplify it.

Replies:   JoeBobMack
JoeBobMack 🚫

@TheDarkKnight

Most of the major AIs could do this with a high enough accuracy rate to probably meet your needs. An open source version hosted locally would avoid exposing your text to a an LLM on the web. Might even be able to use Claude Code to create an app that would live on your computer and run on any file you pointed it to.

FantasyLover 🚫

@REP

For first names, do a search for 100 most common first names. Aside from that, it will offer 100 first names for different nationalities and races.

Probably can do the same for last names, too.

Replies:   REP
REP 🚫

@FantasyLover

Probably can do the same for last names, too.

Yes you can.

Lumpy 🚫

@REP

I made a list to pull names from by looking at yearbooks from random cities and just making a list of first and last names, so it's more random than the 100 most common.

Seemed to work well.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@REP

For each of my stories I maintain a "bible" aka a story outline, and a List of Names of All Characters, including some "on screen" for just one scene; to prevent such errors.

Some names, such as Howard Johnson, Robert Smith, Tom Jones, Juan Valdez, John Fernandez, I may use in more than one story, because they are common names. However, I avoid using such a name for a main character.

In a few stories, set a Generation or more apart, they may be relatives of a character in another story.

In several of my stories, involving the US armed forces, it is often a Plot Point that there is a Smith and a "Smitty" and possibly a Schmidt as well in the same e Company or even the same Platoon. Most of my time in the US Army (c.1980-2020) it was common to have multiple Smiths, Jones, Fernandez, Allens, Johnsons, Lee, etc.

I have read of multiple examples similar to this one: Two soldiers arrive at a new unit (during WWII often the Unit would train most of the soldiers, only technical specialists would be sent to a school). Ordered to line up alphabetically there would be a "Big Smith and a "Little" Smith (sometimes the nicknames were the inverse of actual size). It took about a year to train a Division, and 3 or four months to send it overseas. After some 2 and a half Years together, and more than a 100 Days in combat, both Smiths would be Wounded, perhaps one killed. The other would stay and fight to "protect" the body of the other Smith until he too was killed.

Guys didn't have to have the same or a similar name for that kind of loyalty.

It is probably not surprising that out of more than 8,000,000 men in the US armed forces that Hundreds, at least, had the same names, and were in the same unit.

In one of my stories a replacement has a similar name to a character killed earlier in the story. At least one of the veterans is irrationally angry about that!

Fiction stories must be more "realistic" in some aspects than Reality. Or else the readers will lose the suspension of disbelief.

Mistakenly transposing names is another issue. Proofreaders and Editors are a great help in minimizing those issues!

The Outsider 🚫
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@REP

For "A Glass, and Darkly," I actually wrote out a platoon list for the MC's colleagues so I wouldn't forget/reuse them.

I AM guilty of constantly using "Jeff" as the first name of multiple MCs in different stories.

I used a character name generator to generate names for other characters based on national origins...

Catman 🚫

@REP

I had two friends named Gary. I called one of them Big G and the other one Gary. It worked.

Replies:   LupusDei
LupusDei 🚫
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@Catman

Well, talking about popular names, take my case. I'm named "Jānis" (pronounced? ...don't know how to present, maybe Yaaanis may be close enough) with is an uniquely Latvian name that translates to English John or Russian Ivan: or whatever your bible has for the guy who baptized Jesus.

Somehow the Latvian "pagan" (not really true) main feast of the year at summer solstice is called "Jāņi" with is just plural of my name. Further derived from that, a verb "Jāņot" (to do a Johnny) means to pull an all-nighter.

Three of my great grandfathers had that name and that's been cited as why I'm given it, and supposedly have it for real and not just randomly.

Anyway, the percentage of population given this name at times been ridiculous. When I went to school, out of 30 person class (mixed gender) there were 3 of us. Coincidence? I changed schools, and in my new 40 person class (mixed gender) there was 3 more. Where I live in ex-farmland exurbs, two of my direct neighbors have the same name. Actually, as per tradition, every extended family of a homestead must have one - supposedly, for limited duties at the aforementioned solstice festivities.

But at times, it's nearly anonymous.

Replies:   Diamond Porter
Diamond Porter 🚫

@LupusDei

One fact I remember about names is that in England, around 1600, roughly 25% of men were named John. (The next four most popular names were another 50%.) Since a society is not perfectly uniform, there must have been some places in England where the density of Johns was somewhat higher and some where it was lower.

John remained one of the most popular baby names in English until the 1950s, and gradually became less common. It has not been given to many babies since 1970, but various spellings of Sean and Ian still are, as is Jonathan shortened to Jon.

If you wrote a story with the right historical setting, you could reasonably name a third of the male characters John and still be true to history.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  REP  jimq2
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Diamond Porter

there must have been some places in England where the density of Johns was somewhat higher

At the town square for beheadings is one. Plenty of Johns for the large crowds.

REP 🚫

@Diamond Porter

you could reasonably name a third of the male characters John and still be true to history.

You missed my point. The problem is not how many people have the same name.

It is how to reference the characters in a story, so the reader knows which character you are talking abou.

jimq2 🚫

@Diamond Porter

Then you start having to referring to people by their last names. Jones said... Smith went... Then you find Jones has a brother Tom. Now you have to use both to identify who is speaking since it is awkward to refer to one by their first name and another by their last name.

Pixy I 🚫

@REP

Do you have this problem with your character names?

Depends how bored I am.

In the past, I have used the characters of TV shows. The character list of the computer game Half Life. Repeatedly used denizens of Storiesonline as character names, and killed off people who had PMed me in the most violent ways that I could think of.

In one story, I used the most unpronounceable Irish names that I could find. I actually thought people would complain about that one, instead, they voted it 8.4, the f'ing eejits...

Replies:   garymrssn
garymrssn 🚫

@Pixy I

In one story, I used the most unpronounceable Irish names that I could find. I actually thought people would complain about that one, instead, they voted it 8.4, the f'ing eejits...

That's why I have a Bookmarks Folder labeled Reference/Research. There are about fifty URLs in there just in case I run across an author who likes to challenge their readers. I'm sure Gaelic pronunciations is in there somewhere. ;)

Gary

Duncan7 🚫

@REP

I name villains after readers who leave critical comments. They usually meet an untimely end. :)

whisperclaw 🚫

@REP

Drifting off topic, I've noticed some authors stick to names that were popular in their generation, even when writing about young adults of the current generation. If you really want to nail verisimilitude, check the online charts for the most popular baby names of a given birth year.

Replies:   TheDarkKnight
TheDarkKnight 🚫

@whisperclaw

've noticed some authors stick to names that were popular in their generation, even when writing about young adults of the current generation. If you really want to nail verisimilitude, check the online charts for the most popular baby names of a given birth year.

I was worried about falling into that trap, because a lot of my characters are MUCH younger than I am. I've been using SSN data on popular names by year for a while now.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@REP

Some time ago, I merged two story lines. In doing so, I created a problem with two characters having the same name.

If you want to be really diligent, you should probably check for matches on SOL too. With the number of crossovers and name-drop 'Easter Eggs', it can be confusing as to whether it's a standalone story.

AJ

Vincent Berg 🚫

@REP

One major problem, since I've continued writing after ceasing publishing or posting, is that what's the point of continually changing names if no one ever reads the work?

So, if I ever get to the point of publishing, then I'll need to start changing to unique names again. For now though, what's the point, as I'm mostly writing to entertain and amuse myself, not anyone else, as well as just keeping in practice.

Replies:   TheDarkKnight
TheDarkKnight 🚫

@Vincent Berg

what's the point of continually changing names if no one ever reads the work?

I guess I'm a little anal about using the same name in different stories, even though they might have been written 10-20 years apart. That's why I keep a spreadsheet of names and other data, a very boring pursuit.

Replies:   REP
REP 🚫

@TheDarkKnight

The my problem is not using the same name in different stories. It is using the same name in the same story.

For example, in my Opening Earth series, Doug uses Ken for a state department employee and he also uses Ken for the man who sold him the ranch. Two different people.

I also keep a list of names for my characters. My master list of names contains a list of over 2200 pairs of first and last names. To the best of my knowledge each first name and last name is unique.

Dominions Son 🚫

@REP

For example, in my Opening Earth series, Doug uses Ken for a state department employee and he also uses Ken for the man who sold him the ranch. Two different people.

So what? This is not an uncommon thing in the real world. My real first name is Matthew. I work in IT for a consulting company, embedded on a project for a corporate client.

On that one project, there are three different Matthews. We are all occasionally on the same conference call.

And "Matthew" isn't the only case on this one project of multiple people with the same first name.

I get that it creates some ambiguity. Maybe it's just me, maybe it doesn't bother me because I have to deal with it daily in real life.

Replies:   BlacKnight
BlacKnight 🚫
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@Dominions Son

I had a class in junior high where not only were there were four of us who shared my first name, three of us also had the same last initial, and one of the others had the same full first and last name as me, though fortunately a different middle initial. We had a substitute one day and we almost all got sent to the principal because she thought we were fucking with her.

(He was part of my gaming group at one point, too, though by then his parents had divorced and he had switched to using his mother's maiden name, which simplified things.)

I had another class with five Jennifers. We had a Jen and two Jennies and still had to disambiguate. Fortunately they all had different last initials.

A while back I built a random bystander generator for a supers game I was running, loaded it with first and last name lists and other demographic data, so in addition to game stats and the rare minor superpower, it provides random names and other vital statistics: height, weight, age, hair color, and so on. That game ended back in the Before Times, but I still use it for generating minor characters in modern-era stories. Sometimes the name combinations it produces are kind of weird, stuff like "Muhammad Rodriguez", but I just re-roll ones like that.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@REP

That said, there are a LOT more Steves and Bobs in the world than Ruperts, so if you follow that routine, you end up with the least common names, which doesn't help the "Everyman" type of stories: the common man who accomplishes extraordinary stories.

So, I don't mind occasionally using the same name (ex: John) as long as their full name is different (first and last), with different common nicknames. Otherwise you end up chasing your own tail.

jimq2 🚫

@REP

My younger brother went through grade school with a fellow who had the same initials which should be rare since the last names started with a Q. Going through school, they were the only ones whose last name started with a Q.

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