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Switch Blayde 🚫

I just went to SOL's home page to click on the link that will take me to the story I'm currently reading. I wasn't looking at the new stories, but I sometimes check out how people write descriptions and my eyes went to the most recent new story (at the time). The description is:

"Rey was abandoned at a young age by her mother, then her father. She hid at their family home that was right behind a gas station until she had no choice but to run it to earn money to pay back the bank. As she grew older, she realized the men coming by wanted more than just gas. She began sleeping them customers for money to one day pay off her home and business as her own. Tonight, someone comes in that she's strangely drawn to, but she doesn't know why."

I sometimes read descriptions simply to see how well or poorly they're written. I learn from both. The last line of the description has something to pique the reader's interest β€” "that she's strangely drawn to, but she doesn't know why." That's really good. However, the story codes include "Incest, Father, Daughter".

I love surprises and twists in short stories. That's one of the things that makes them great. Think O. Henry. But the story codes destroy that surprise (I'm assuming since I hadn't read the story).

Should the author have included the story codes "Father, Daughter"?

Big Ed Magusson 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I really appreciate this dilemma and look forward to what other folks say. I've often been tempted to include the "caution" tag but that has problems itself.

In this case, I would not have included the Father/Daughter tags. I would have vacillated for a long time about "caution" vs. "incest" and probably come down on the "incest" side.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Big Ed Magusson

Nope. You were right, as it is the main relationship in the story and it is incestuous, but there are ways of listing the details which can maintain story surprises for a bit longer, as my answer to Switch Blade noted.

Grey Wolf 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Story codes are a Chekov's Gun, one that must be fired. Thus, seeing them tells you something specific is going to happen. 'Caution,' though, just tells you something potentially bothersome is going to happen.

For that reason, I would pick 'caution', combined with a note saying something along the lines of 'This story may trigger one or more things normally warned about by story codes. If any code is a trigger for you, you are welcome to contact me and see if it applies.'

'Incest' is still too much. That implies the strangely attractive stranger is a relative. Process of elimination would get it down to uncle or father very quickly. It's possible some people are triggered differently by one vs the other, but it's so close that 'caution' is the right answer.

That's not a get-out-of-jail-free card, but it's the best one can do, I think. Obviously, one can code anything 'caution,' but it's also fair. I don't think the intent of codes is to destroy the element of surprise, just allow people who don't like certain surprises to avoid them.

One other idea (but much more technically complicated): a 'visible' set of codes and a 'complete' set of codes. If one says 'no incest' in preferences, the 'complete' set filters it. If one does not, the 'visible' set doesn't tip the story's hand.

I have no faith that authors would properly use the two sets, though. And readers might still be upset. But it's at least an attempt to solve the problem.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Grey Wolf

I concur, yet you also have to factor in the squicks (those who wouldn't want to read such stories, which is often as significant as those who do). So as per my other suggestion, listing the Incest tag separately from "father" and "daughter" helps preserve the mystery for longer, as it could just as easily be her BFF's father, which would't necessarily be incestuous, thus leaving that angle open for longer.

But nothing says that all the codes need to be listed right away, so I've always believed in including the main 'squick' codes, then saving any 'surprises' for when they actually occur. So, consider it 'selective tagging'. ;)

Crumbly Writer 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

I agree, yet story codes are always tricky, as you never want to give away (spoilers) too soon.

So in this case, based only on your description, I'd have initially listed on "incest" which detailing what type of incest. Then, when the incest occurs, I'd then change the tag to list the additional details. Of course, that also spoils the surprise for those who only discover the story later, but … you can't please everyone and it seems more of a strategic compromise.

However, just because you list "Father" and "daughter" doesn't necessarily mean much. In this case, he's the only prime male character in the description, yet if it's a more 'immersive' incest tale, there may be sisters and brothers, who may not be related to the protagonist, just as they could easily be other fathers. So again, separating the tags might help.

Yet, since this is primarily a father/daughter story, you'd want to label it as such, both to attract those most eager to read such stories, as well as to warn readers of any potential squicks. (Say those only wanting lesbian incest storiesβ€”if those people even exist on SOL.)

Just because you should label everything doesn't mean you need to list every detail.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

ou need to list every detail.

If it's technically feasible for Lazeez to implement (outside my knowledge) the idea of hidden tags that the reader won't see in listings, but will be used for exclusions and searches seems to be a decent compromise.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Dominions Son

Even if he could, I'd still prefer my 'selective tagging' strategy, as you're still listing the tags and the squicks (so they appear on the display and not only during searches).

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Dominions Son

for Lazeez to implement (outside my knowledge) the idea of hidden tags that the reader won't see in listings, but will be used for exclusions and searches seems to be a decent compromise.

That would be a nightmare for Lazeez. People would report those excluded stories as bugs because they wouldn't see the hidden codes.

Mine was a philosophical question. No change to the system will be the solution.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

It was suggested by Gray Wolf up thread.

One other idea (but much more technically complicated): a 'visible' set of codes and a 'complete' set of codes. If one says 'no incest' in preferences, the 'complete' set filters it. If one does not, the 'visible' set doesn't tip the story's hand.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Dominions Son

It was suggested by

I wasn't responding to you. I simply used the quote in your post to discuss the recommendation.

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