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oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

This may be off-topic, but here goes. After receiving several extremely negative comments that did not relate to the story, I wish to make my stories premiere only. How do I do that , I have over 100 stories and need to place them all behind the paywall.

Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

Go to author/editor top left, click on it. Then click on 'Manage stories', click on the individual story, then top middleish, hit the button marked 'Hide behind paywall'.

akarge ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

I have often wondered why authors on this site would want to place their stories behind the pay wall. I guess limiting the people that can read them, and thus comment upon them, would be a viable reason.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

I have often wondered why authors on this site would want to place their stories behind the pay wall. I guess limiting the people that can read them, and thus comment upon them, would be a viable reason.

I suspect that the trolls are too cheap to pay for access.
People who actually pay to read stories are more likely to make rational suggestions.

Replies:   Pixy  flightorfight
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

I suspect that the trolls are too cheap to pay for access.
People who actually pay to read stories are more likely to make rational suggestions.

My experience on the matter has been the complete opposite.

I have found over the years, that paying members are more critical than the freeloaders. My hypothesis is that because they pay, they expect (demand) a greater level of service from both the site and those who submit stories. In that regard I understand their point of view (understand, but not necessarily agree).

A perfect example of this, are the site writing competitions. The scoring is absolutely brutal, and only paid members can vote.

In this situation, I believe the old adage ('Don't feed the trolls') is the best way forward. Over the years, I have noticed that those who moan (and I have been guilty of it myself) about the feedback received in their blogs, are opening up themselves for further critical correspondence.

Read the comments/feedback, delete if needed, and move on.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

The scoring is absolutely brutal, and only paid members can vote.

I'd say the scoring is fairer, and the anonymisation makes what you get more realistic than when the fanbois leave their mark.

AJ

flightorfight ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Oh yeah, all of us free readers are trolls.

Replies:   Dominions Son  irvmull
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@flightorfight

Oh yeah, all of us free readers are trolls.

Saying all trolls are free readers is not remotely the same as saying all free readers are trolls.

Replies:   flightorfight
flightorfight ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Sure it's not....

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@flightorfight

Sure it's not....

All squares are rectangles = true.
All rectangles are squares = false.

Replies:   flightorfight
flightorfight ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

You know almost every time I've posted on this discussion forum you have either replied with a sparky comment or argued that I was wrong. I've noticed you do it to just about every poster on here like you're the Supreme Authority on every topic.
This will be the last time I deal with your crap because after this post you'll be blocked. Have a nice life Mr Know It All.

Replies:   Pixy  julka
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@flightorfight

You know almost every time I've posted on this discussion forum you have either replied with a sparky comment or argued that I was wrong. I've noticed you do it to just about every poster on here like you're the Supreme Authority on every topic.

I have to disagree with that statement somewhat. DS points out valid observations that although they may appear to be contrary at first glance, inevitably have merit upon further consideration.

Removing contradictory opinions to ones own, opens the door wide for conformational bias, which is even more of a problem in the longer term.

julka ๐Ÿšซ
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@flightorfight

Dominsions Son definitely makes some accusations that they won't back up, but you're also a hundred percent wrong on this and I have no idea why you're freaking out that somebody pointed out that "All [A] are [B] does not mean All [B] are [A]" because if you spend, i dunno, two seconds thinking about that you'll be able to figure out why it's true?

Replies:   Grey Wolf  flightorfight
Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@julka

Yes - it's a standard logical fallacy ('Affirming the consequent' or 'converse error', or a few other names).

See:

All A are B, therefore all B are A.

This form of argument is always and absolutely fallacious or invalid. It does not matter what A and B represent (as long as A and B represent different things). Because we can tell by its form alone that it is always fallacious, it is called a formal fallacy.

https://lucidphilosophy.com/chapter-12-formal-fallacies

In this case, it wasn't even put obliquely - the contradiction of the logical fallacy was right out there in the open.

The 'all squares are rectangles, therefore all rectangles are squares' is obvious enough, but if that doesn't make the point, try 'All serial killers sleep, therefore everyone who sleeps is a serial killer.'

No, I didn't just call you a serial killer :)

flightorfight ๐Ÿšซ

@julka

Not "freaking out" about anything. Just pointing out that the poster is a self important jerk who likes to argue about every subject under the sun. Now he's blocked and I no longer have to read his drivel.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@flightorfight

Oh yeah, all of us free readers are trolls.

Isn't it amazing how self-centered people can be?

There are around 8 billion people in the world.
So very little chance I was talking about you.
But if the shoe fits...

As for the original post - there are a few trolls who do nothing but post totally off-topic and insulting "comments" at the end of stories. Never any helpful suggestions or corrections. Just useless drivel from useless people.

Replies:   flightorfight
flightorfight ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Didn't think you were talking about me at all but I definitely get tired of seeing every perceived problem on this site blamed on the free users.
One only has to visit this discussion forum to see who the real trolls are. Some of you need to look in the mirror.
Like you said "If the shoe fits"

Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

I have often wondered why authors on this site would want to place their stories behind the pay wall.

Some writers wish to help the site financially and put stories behind the pay wall deliberately in order to help incentivise readers towards becoming paid members.

Some even have full author access and still subscribe.

The downside to putting your work behind the paywall, is that from a writers point of view, you are seriously curtailing the amount of eyes that will read your work. If you write niche stories, then you are curtailing those that read your work even further.

And lets be honest, the majority of us write because we want people to read our work. If we didn't, we wouldn't be posting it.

oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

By making your stories premier, you know the reader supports the site, or as you say limits the comments

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

Lumpy moved his stories behind the pay wall to make it harder for thieves to steal them and pass them off as their own work on Amazon etc.

AJ

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akarge ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Aaah. Another good reason.๐Ÿค”

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@akarge

It looks as though Lumpy changed his mind with respect to SOL. I believe they're still premier-only on SciFistories and Fine stories.

AJ

Replies:   Lumpy
Lumpy ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Only on new stories. After a month of finishing books will switch back to premier

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Lumpy

Only on new stories. After a month of finishing books will switch back to premier

Thanks for the clarification. I hope it stems the thefts you've been suffering.

AJ

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@oldegrump

There is no batch way to do it. Currently it's one story at a time.

If you want I can do it for you and save you some drudgery.

Let me know.

Replies:   Pixy
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

There is no batch way to do it. Currently it's one story at a time.

Possibly a QOL feature (batch selection) to be considered in the future?

Replies:   oldegrump
oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

Thanks for the offer, I will do it. I am also thinking that if som eone wants to make insulting comments they should at least pay for the privilege

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

if someone wants to make insulting comments they should at least pay for the privilege

LMAO

happytechguy15 ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

Do the extreme negative happen in the reader comments at the end of the story? Or thru the feedback to author? Or as a response to a blog?

Would it matter if any of these sources were turned off? I guess I am not able to imagine what you are putting up with. I assume you also get positive feedback?

mrcurrie ๐Ÿšซ
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@oldegrump

At least you can feel good that someone read your story and reacted to it, even if it was negative. The fact that it made them angry shows that your writing was able to trigger an emotion in them.

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