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No More Politics

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Please refrain from discussing politics on the forum.

I'm probably going to start locking threads that turn to politics and delete outright political threads.

Ernest Bywater

I hear, and I obey.

Dominions Son

What about fictional politics related to stories on SOL?

shinerdrinker
Updated:

Woo Hoo!

I had already self-edited myself from starting a new story idea I had because... okay, I'll say it. I was actually worried about the backlash for some political leanings that a lot of people who visit this site would not like at all.

Now with this I might be amenable toward a second swing at the story. I'll try to let people know how it is coming out.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
sunkuwan

Thank you :)

awnlee jawking

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

You're right to be concerned. Too many turn vicious and personal :(

AJ

Zom

Good. ALL politics is fiction. Designed as a veneer to cover the real agendas of those managing the politicians. I cannot understand why so many take it so seriously.

Replies:   ford48
mimauk

I vaguely remember years ago somebody saying something like -

"I never comment on politics - it only encourages them"

could have been Noel Coward, sounds like one of his.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@mimauk

The expression/quotation I remember is as follows: Avoid talking religion or politics. They only lead to arguments and fighting.

The political debates here have proven half of that quote. I am undecided about the other half so far.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@shinerdrinker

I had already self-edited myself from starting a new story idea I had because... okay, I'll say it. I was actually worried about the backlash for some political leanings that a lot of people who visit this site would not like at all.

Now with this I might be amenable toward a second swing at the story. I'll try to let people know how it is coming out.

Once again, it's best in fiction to avoid addressing the subject directly, as it'll likely force readers into opposing camps, so they'll come into the story with their own agendas and won't read your story objectively for what it is. Instead, if you switch the focus to a purely fictional political environment, in a purely fictional country, but you have inferences and similarities between your world a current governments at the time, you're more likely to succeed than it if write a purely political screed.

Crumbly Writer

@docholladay

The expression/quotation I remember is as follows: Avoid talking religion or politics. They only lead to arguments and fighting.

The political debates here have proven half of that quote. I am undecided about the other half so far.

Optimal solutions: don't write about a particular political issue, and especially don't use the common political busswords, but do focus on the underlying issues. Again, you don't want to divide your readers into separate competing camps, but you want both sides to give your story a chance, so they can potentially see how they're unintentionally missing the real message about how politics often merely misdirects and misleads people, rather than addressing any central need.

Replies:   paliden
paliden

@Crumbly Writer

Optimal solutions: don't write about a particular political issue, and especially don't use the common political busswords, but do focus on the underlying issues. Again, you don't want to divide your readers into separate competing camps, but you want both sides to give your story a chance, so they can potentially see how they're unintentionally missing the real message about how politics often merely misdirects and misleads people, rather than addressing any central need.

Damn! If that don't sound like political rhetoric.

Jack Green

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

For this relief much thanks.

Argon

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

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Remus2
Updated:

A wise decision. One that will be interesting to follow as some folks just can't help themselves.

Ernest Bywater

@Remus2

A wise decision. One that will be interesting to follow as some folks just can't help themselves.


And some of us can't remember what we were told yesterday, let alone last week, despite remembering what happened 20 years ago. Short term and middle term memory are the first to go on us old dinosaurs.

awnlee jawking

@Remus2

I remember a UK advertising campaign some years back to try to get people to vote despite voter apathy towards the two main parties (am I allowed to say that?)

The advert featured a character who was heartily sick of politics. It showed him in everyday situations, and in every case the advert showed that politics was involved and to be ignored at your peril so go and vote.

In the spirit of the advert, removing all politics will be well-nigh impossible, but I hope the forum participants abide by the spirit of Lazeez's request even if the letter might get a little bent.

AJ

anim8ed
Updated:

I think you missed the point. Lazeez has declared the forum a politics free zone and not the stories submitted. Too many times political discussion in the forums becomes a heated flame war and our illustrious webmaster has decided to prevent the flames and stand by with the fire extinguisher.

I find his solution as being more tolerant than some as he is only locking down threads and not deleting them. He has a fairly successful community here and is trying to keep it civil.

[added] The discussions that lead to this decision had devolved to strictly politics and no longer had anything to do with discussing literature or ideas.

Ernest Bywater

If our honored webmaster has changed then it is a sad state of world.


No, he hasn't. Political commentary as part of a story is still allowed as long as you still have a story and not just political commentary. What he has put a lid on was political discussions in the forum threads as he got fed up with having to lock them and dealing with the people reporting them.

ford48

@Zom

Unfortunately, politics often ends up being real. One persons ideas about how things should work are anathema to others. Just consider the opposing sides of the immigration battle.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@ford48

Just consider the opposing sides of the immigration battle.


The current issue on immigration in the USA is on controlled immigration with applicant screening as against totally open borders to let anyone at all in regardless of their character or criminal record.

Replies:   Keet  Jim S  Dominions Son
Keet

@Ernest Bywater

The current issue on immigration in the USA is on controlled immigration with applicant screening as against totally open borders to let anyone at all in regardless of their character or criminal record.

Hold on now, don't start a political discussion ;)

Jim S
Updated:

@Ernest Bywater


The current issue on immigration in the USA is on controlled immigration with applicant screening as against totally open borders to let anyone at all in regardless of their character or criminal record.


You pretty much nailed it. I saw an article yesterday about the same issue in Europe, specifically Hungary. So is noting this political? I don't think so. It will get "political" if people line up on either side with flame throwers though. I really do appreciate Lazeez finally shutting stuff like that down. As well as disgust with the necessity to do so.

Dominions Son

@Ernest Bywater

The current issue on immigration in the USA is on controlled immigration with applicant screening as against totally open borders to let anyone at all in regardless of their character or criminal record.


Actually, from what I've read, despite our difficulties in securing our southern boarder, the majority of illegal immigrants actually enter the US legally on limited visas (such as a student visa) and then overstay, they stay in the US after their visa runs out.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Dominions Son

majority of illegal immigrants actually enter the US legally on limited visas


You forgot the word known from that sentence. There is more information known about over-stayers than there is about direct illegals. This is because the over-stayers are vetted to start with and are tracked into the country, thus their numbers are known. Those who cross the borders without any visas are not properly counted or checked at all. Another aspect is most over-stayers will eventually leave the country again. Having their details and photos also makes finding them a little easier than the ones who just cross the border without being counted.

The saddest part is the number of illegals who die crossing the border in the wrong places, while many of their bodies are found, they rarely have any documentation on them so no one knows who they were and thus their families never learn what happened to them.

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