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ralord82276 ๐Ÿšซ

How does one handle immortality? Living millennia watching friends, spouses, children, grandchildren all grow old and die while you don't age? How do you keep your sanity?

I have seen a couple of stories with a Male MC that was immortal and had to deal with these issues...but never seen one with a Female MC. Also most of those stories usually skirted the issues, acknowledging the problems but not really addressing how the MC handles them.

I am hoping someone will read this and write a story that does address those issues.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@ralord82276

How does one handle immortality?

It somewhat depends on what kind of immortality. It also depends on whether or not they are the only immortal or if there are others and what you would consider sane.

The literal meaning of immortality means the person can never die no matter what happens. You could reduce their body to hamburger and that still wouldn't be enough to kill them.

Very little fiction deals with true immortals. You will typically see one of two things.

The most common is what I prefer to call eternal rather than immortal. The eternal doesn't age (past a certain point) and may be immune to disease, but they can die by violent means.

Rare, but still more common than true immortals is what I will call serial mortality. The person can die normally, but death is not permanent, they will spontaneously resurrect.

To address the question asked: How do they keep their sanity?

It may depend on how you define sanity. An eternal could commit suicide.

Assuming suicide is off the table, mostly likely they eventually stop having mortal friends or otherwise caring much about mortals. They will look on mortals they way we view very short lived animals such as insects.

There are some fairly short lived small mammals and fish that people keep as pets. The immortal may have a few mortals that they view that way.

I'm not sure if this would/could be considered sane.

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Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

The most common is what I prefer to call eternal rather than immortal.

The problem with doing this is that the literal definition of eternal is "has always and will always exist". It's an even stronger term than immortal. Granted not everyone knows that, but not everyone uses immortal correctly either.

I prefer the term "unageing". You can throw in other abilities as desired, like immune to poison and disease, but the key point of what most people call immortals is simply that they don't suffer the effects of ageing or die of natural causes.

As an aside, you might want to check out the ancient Greek story of Tithonus. Short version is that his lover requested a boon from Zeus but mistakenly asked for "eternal life" instead of the more common "eternal youth". It did not end well.

samuelmichaels ๐Ÿšซ

@ralord82276

I've read a couple of Vampire novels that deal with this issue; and also some cultivation novels that try to do the same.

Dominion's Son, thanks for making the distinction. I would have called your "eternal" types "unaging" instead.

Some MCs get burned by their loved ones dying, and avoiding any deep connections afterwards. Some embrace mortality of their loved ones, and make connections knowing they will be temporary, but treasuring them even more.

Some treat mortals as basically farm animals, not even pets. You don't get attached to cows in your herd. They only maintain connections with other immortals.

Some go through extraordinary lengths trying to extend the lives of their loved ones, even by extreme methods.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@samuelmichaels

Dominion's Son, thanks for making the distinction. I would have called your "eternal" types "unaging" instead.

I use eternal rather than unaging because there is usually more to it than just not aging. Complete immunity to disease, healing that is faster/more complete than "mortals".

No death by natural causes, and while they can die by violence*, they are usually harder to kill than than mortals.

Tolkien's elves are merely unaging, but vampires are more than just unaging.

* By violence, I mean any physical trauma, not just deliberate actions. Being crushed to death by an avalanche would be a violent death even though there is no agency behind it.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@ralord82276

If you want an example of how other authors have handled the issue, you might like to try Sage of the Forlorn Path's series.

AJ

madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@ralord82276

MC that was immortal ... never seen one with a Female MC.

Bruce Bretthauer had one, Kalliste, which at least touched on these issues; she was thus reluctant to get involved with the male MC who had discovered her uniqueness. Bruce posted as Prince von Vlox here, but IDK if Kalliste story was posted here, if so, it was withdrawn to post on the big river site. Still here (but premier) is the series
Kalliste's Storytime, which is a series of shorts as told by Kalliste presented by her as fables but actually her recollections of various events, often that the gods had directed her to.

I also recall a dead-tree story (probably a short in a collection), all I can recall is that the immortal is very tired of life, and after an accident, her partner (a mundane who knows of her immortality and that she is tired of life) authorises the removal of all organs etc for transplants; she wakes after a longer-than-normal regeneration inside the coffin as the cremation starts. The kicker (spoiler) is that a young girl elsewhere in the hospital doesn't have the surgery scars she should have after her heart transplant.

ralord82276 ๐Ÿšซ
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@ralord82276

You all bring up some good points about specifying the "type" of immortality and whether solo or grouped.

In my mind, I was thinking solo... one person who found that they never aged, never got diseases, wounds - no matter how severe - healed fairly rapidly (though not immediately - think days instead of weeks or weeks instead of months). I even envision this MC trying to commit suicide a few times and it never works.

I could see how, if they were one of a group of immortals, they could come to see the rest of humanity as pets or inferior insects... but I think that would be just a by-product of "group-think". I don't think that would be the case if the immortal was solo. I think in that case they would vacillate between total immersion in humanity and avoiding them for long periods. The total immersion periods would come about from loneliness, social neediness, and wanting to belong. The avoidance periods would usually happen due to becoming overwhelmed with feelings of loss upon outliving those they have come to care about.
How would these experiences shape their personality? How would it effect their bonding ability? Their mental/emotional stability?

I can imagine their avoidance periods becoming longer and longer over the centuries as they continually experience loss during their immersion periods and need more time for those losses to dull. Eventually maybe decades between immersion periods... or even a century.

Now imagine all the changes the world / societies have gone through in the last century... then imagine the effect those cumulative changes would have on someone in this constant cycle of immersion/loss/avoidance... How would dealing with those vast number/types of changes effect them? Especially considering their possible mental/emotional fragility at that point if they have been through this cycle for millennia at this point?

Also, the world has gone through such a massive population explosion over the last century and there are fewer and fewer places to go where you can avoid human contact...so where would this immortal go on their next "avoidance" round? Would there be any place? If not, how would that affect them and what would they do?

Argon ๐Ÿšซ

@ralord82276

For a female immortal, in this case vampire, read Patricia51's Bridget stories:https://storiesonline.net/series/246/tales-of-bridget
She and Rache were my fav female authors way back when. Her last blog entry is from 2008โ€ฆ

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@ralord82276

Actually, one of the best ways I have read of this being done is the series "Casca" by Barry Sadler.

That is a dead tree series from the 1980s, and in essence the Roman soldier who killed Jesus was cursed by him to remain as he always was until he returns. And he discovers that he can heal from any wounds, and never dies. Remaining how he always was.

And in the course of the series, he sees almost 2,000 years passing. The entire world changing, friends and loved ones dying, yet he does not change and remains a soldier. And in the books written in more modern times, he has come to see it as a real curse and prays for the day he will finally be allowed to die.

And another example that comes to mind is Claudia from "Interview with the Vampire". Who was only 5 when she was turned. And almost 100 years later, she is now still trapped in the body of a five year old girl.

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