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BrandonInOhio ๐Ÿšซ

Hi Everyone!
I know there will be no RIGHT answer for this, but looking for feedback from both reader and writer's perspectives.

For the record, I use Brave browser, and have virtually no crashing issues, so I want to make sure that people understand this question has nothing to do with losing my place due to browser issues. Also, I am reading exclusively on a Samsung z fold phone. Its smaller than a tablet, but basically double the size of a traditional phone.

I just finished the final book of a 3 book series. In the third book, the chapters averaged 21,000 words.
To me, they felt excessively long. The content wasnt the issue, it was the pacing and choosing to not break it up into a larger amount of smaller chunks.

Another series I enjoyed immensely had chapters averaging 4,200 words. They never felt excessively short, and it seemed to make the pacing flow more evenly.

I think perhaps 10,000 max word chapters would be a sweet spot for me.

The story with 21,000 word chapters for me, felt like a bit of a slog to get through at times.

Just curious if anyone else has strong opinions about chapter lengths. This is completely subjective of course.

John D. Rodburn ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I think perhaps 10,000 max word chapters would be a sweet spot for me.

I agree. Personally, chapters or instalments of 8K to 12K seem to be the most satisfactory.

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

Just curious if anyone else has strong opinions about chapter lengths. This is completely subjective of course.

I've found 6K to 7K words has been quite effective.

Replies:   LupusDei
LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

I would second this. About 6k words seem to be my natural target. Up to twice that long I'm still good with, as in, wouldn't notice. Less than half of that feels short though.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

It depends on how often a chapter is posted. If posting every day, then a short chapter would be ok as you can skip a few days. If it is a week or more then not so good.

jimq2 ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I don't know about word count, I am mostly concerned with reading time. At most I spend an hour at a time, and if it is a long chapter, I don't know where I was if I pick up on a different device. I read on a Desk top, Lap top, and Tablet, depending on where I am.

Big Ed Magusson ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

This is interesting. Nick Scipio once got a negative review because there "weren't enough chapters" in the book. They were 10k-12kword chapters.

So there are some readers who apparently don't like long chapters enough to give someone 2 stars for it

BrandonInOhio ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

Im going to use a couple specific examples from two stories that people are likely very familiar with.

Al Steiner's Intemperance X (the finale). Has an amazing review score of 9.62 and averages 11,500 words per chapter. It is one of the best stories on this site. The cast and years of plotting are among the best we've seen. I consider his chapters long, but not too long to make the reading experience less enjoyable. In this case, I feel like the choice of the author in chapter length was perfect.

In another example, again, a very successful and beloved story. Runaway Train by Jay Cantrell. It has a user review score of 9.02 and has an average chapter length of 4,650. The book has roughly 200k more words than intemperance, and almost 5x the amount of chapters. The book read incredibly quickly and flowed very well.

In my personal opinion, intemperance is the far better book. We as readers have a decade(?) of loving those characters and interconnected plot lines. BUT, Runaway Train was a more pleasant reading experience.

Just thought id give a couple specific examples to give more context.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@BrandonInOhio

I consider his chapters long, but not too long to make the reading experience less enjoyable.

I've only read two of his stories but both did the same thing. There were scene breaks within chapters.

Now some of the breaks were simply for POV changes, but others were scene changes. Some authors elect to do those scene changes as new chapters while others combine them into chapters.

People make too big a deal about chapter length (usually short chapters). Chapter length is quite arbitrary. The only reason short chapters are an issue on SOL is because of how chapters are posted. Otherwise, why would anyone care if they read two 2,000-word chapters or one 4,000-word chapter?

Now as to long chapters, I hate them.

Lumpy ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I think the answer to your question depends if you mean here, or in traditional books. Chapters posted places like this tend to be very long (you can see by some of the responses how many are 10k words plus.

The standard for most traditionally publsihed book is 2k to 5k words. (reference here: https://reedsy.com/studio/resources/how-long-should-a-chapter-be/ and http://publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/authors/pw-select/article/77857-ask-the-editor-chapter-length.html)

Marc Nobbs ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

Personally, I like to keep my chapters around the 5000 word mark. Happy to go over or under but if a chapter comes in at less than 3000, I question what's missing and if it starts to push towards 8000, I question if it's one chapter or two. There's been several times I've written what I thought was one chapter and then realised it contained two separate ideas and I'd just forgotten to start the new chapter at the natural break.
That said, I'm certainly not going to enforce 5000 artificially. If the chapter needs to be short, it stays short, if it needs to run long, I let it. It's all about what best serves the story.

rustyken ๐Ÿšซ
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@BrandonInOhio

I find a chapter length of 39,000 to 45,000 characters a comfortable length. In terms of words 7,600 is approximately 41,700 characters. Obviously I think in characters as that is what my writing ap shows

tendertouch ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I don't worry about chapter length, but if the author isn't breaking the scenes up effectively it will be a slog. Terry Pratchett famously didn't use chapters for most of the Discworld books, but his scene breaks were well placed so it didn't matter.

Here, where the longer stories are (mostly) serialized, sometimes use authors shorter chapters to get their stories on the home page more frequently, which can be a bit annoying if they get to be too short (

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Marc Nobbs ๐Ÿšซ
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@tendertouch

Terry Pratchett famously didn't use chapters for most of the Discworld books,

His was the first "celebrity" death that genuinely affected me. The Disc had been such a huge part of my life from about age 15 onward that his passing felt like a real loss. I got the alert from the BBC app on the way home from work, but didn't read it until I got in. I just stood in the kitchen after reading it, for longer than was reasonable, staring at the phone. didn't know what to say or do. Just kept thinking about all the Discworld books he hadn't yet written. No more Vimes. No more Granny. No more Rincewind.

Still haven't read the final Discworld book. Can't bring myself to do it.

Grey Wolf ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I'm averaging about 4500 words, currently. I started at 10,000 and had a highly negative reaction from early readers, so I cut those in half and kept going.

But it depends enormously on so many factors that it's perfectly reasonable to say it's just personal preference. If readers like it, good. If not, bad.

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BrandonInOhio ๐Ÿšซ

@Grey Wolf

Anxiously awaiting the completion of your current book!

TheDarkKnight ๐Ÿšซ

@BrandonInOhio

I don't pay much attention to chapter length in my stories. Usually the story tells me when it's time for a chapter break. It might be due to a change in focus or a date jump, etc. But then, I don't write novel-length stories, so it's probably less of an issue for me.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@TheDarkKnight

I don't pay much attention to chapter length in my stories.

Some authors do pay mulch attention to chapter length so they grow to gigantic sizes, like record-breaking pumpkins or sunflowers.

AJ

Replies:   TheDarkKnight
TheDarkKnight ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Some authors do pay mulch attention to chapter length so they grow to gigantic sizes, like record-breaking pumpkins or sunflowers.

Or AI-generated women.

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