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moretea ๐Ÿšซ

Just saw the blurb for a new story and was utterly confused.

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The Hidden Cove by The Hidden Writer

Two lifelong teens discover a hidden cove, transforming their friendship into a passionate, secret affair during a final summer at the lake, unaware their intimacy has created a new life.
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What does "Two lifelong teens" mean? they never age beyond 19?

Please help a non-native english speaker.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@moretea

What does "Two lifelong teens" mean?

I guess he meant two lifelong friends (who were teens).

Replies:   moretea
moretea ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

That's what I was guessing it meant but the way it was written didn't come anywhere close to saying that. But if the sories and blurbs are AI-generated, as TheDarkKnight says below, small wonder things get wrong.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@moretea

but the way it was written didn't come anywhere close to saying that

That's because the adjective "lifelong" is modifying the wrong noun. The noun should be "friends" not "teens."

Replies:   LonelyDad
LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Not to be nitpicky, but 'teens' is also used to name a group of people in their teenage years.

I'll go quietly

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@LonelyDad

Not to be nitpicky, but 'teens' is also used to name a group of people in their teenage years.

The adjective wasn't modifying the noun "teens." It should have modified the noun "friends." It could have been "lifelong teenage friends" (with two adjectives modifying the noun "friends").

TheDarkKnight ๐Ÿšซ

@moretea

Looks like all "his" stories are AI-generated, but I don't know if that includes the blurb. Whatever, that's kind of embarrassing. If I did that, I think I would want to be "Hidden ..." too.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@moretea

What does "Two lifelong teens" mean? they never age beyond 19?

17.

18 + are adults. Adult trumps teen, always.

Replies:   BarBar
BarBar ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

18 + are adults. Adult trumps teen, always.

I don't think that's a universal rule. I've often seen 18s referred to as teenagers.

I suspect it depends on context. In some cases, you would acknowledge them as adults. In other cases, when discussing teenagers, that includes everyone from 13 to 19.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@BarBar

I've often seen 18s referred to as teenagers

And it bothers me every time. Referring to 18s as teenagers is an attempt to make readers think they are talking about children.

As an example, gun control advocates in the US like to claim guns are the leading cause of death among children. But they only get to that by counting 18-21 year-olds (yes they go all the way up to 21) as "children".

Replies:   AmigaClone  BarBar
AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

As an example, gun control advocates in the US like to claim guns are the leading cause of death among children. But they only get to that by counting 18-21 year-olds (yes they go all the way up to 21) as "children".

I would say there a large number of people in their 20s in the 2020s who are less mature than individuals ten years younger than them in the 1820s or even 1920s.

In part, that is due to certain groups succeeding in the infantilization of those in their teens and early twenties.

BarBar ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Please notice that I did point out that it depends on context, whether 18-19 year olds get described as teens or not.

As an example, gun control advocates in the US like to claim guns are the leading cause of death among children. But they only get to that by counting 18-21 year-olds (yes they go all the way up to 21) as "children".

Your claim appears to be incorrect.

Report on Gun Violence in U.S. 2022 from John Hopkins, based on data accessed from the Centers for Disease Control's Underlying Cause of Death database.

Firearms were the leading cause of death for children and teens (ages 1-17) {in 2022}
{later} Firearms accounted for 30% of all the deaths that occurred among individuals ages 15-17.

I can't speak to how individuals advocating sensible regulations to control gun ownership present the data in their arguments, but it appears that the data supports the claim that guns are the leading cause of death among children and teens (1-17) without resorting to including the 18 to 21 year olds.

At least, that was true from 2020 to 2022. A fast search for more recent data seemed to support the idea that this hasn't changed but I haven't dived into it enough to confirm that.

Replies:   helmut_meukel
helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@BarBar

Report on Gun Violence in U.S. 2022 from John Hopkins, based on data accessed from the Centers for Disease Control's Underlying Cause of Death database.

Firearms were the leading cause of death for children and teens (ages 1-17) {in 2022}
{later} Firearms accounted for 30% of all the deaths that occurred among individuals ages 15-17.

I can't speak to how individuals advocating sensible regulations to control gun ownership present the data in their arguments, but it appears that the data supports the claim that guns are the leading cause of death among children and teens (1-17) without resorting to including the 18 to 21 year olds.

As always with statistical data, don't trust anyone Who uses those data in arguments. While the numbers may be true, they provide no information about:
โ€ข the number of guns involved
โ€ข the age of the shooters
โ€ข the legality of the ownership
For instance, making it harder to legally own a gun does not affect those guns someone gets illegally. Members of criminal organisations and street gangs have certainly not bought their weapons legally.
Restricting legal and illegal ownership of guns may just increase the use of other weapons, tools or sports equipment for killing people.
Weapons like swords, machetes, knives, staffs, arrows, spears, ...
Tools like hammers, screwdrivers, ice-picks, chainsaws, ...
Sport equipment like baseball bats, golf clubs, queues, ...
Building material like 2x4, ...
run-over by bus, lorry or car; thrown into a shredder; burned to death; killed by explosion; drowned; killed by suffocation; ...

HM.

Replies:   BarBar
BarBar ๐Ÿšซ

@helmut_meukel

As always with statistical data, don't trust anyone Who uses those data in arguments.

Please notice that I was using the data specifically to respond to an incorrect claim about what the data said.

Personally, I would rather trust someone who makes a claim and has data to back it up, than someone who simply makes emotive claims with no evidence.

I don't want to turn this thread into a political discussion, so I will restrict myself to saying this. It is fairly clear that USA as a society has a huge problem with guns. The alarming death rate of children and teens in USA for gun-related reasons is a symptom of that problem.

It is also fairly clear that there are no simple solutions to that problem. The issues are deep-seated and nuanced and inextricably linked to the political and personal histories of the US people.

helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@moretea

What does "Two lifelong teens" mean? they never age beyond 19?

He probably meant they stayed mentally/emotionally teens while getting older. I've met a few such people which in their forties acted like teenagers or even preteens.

HM.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@helmut_meukel

He probably meant they stayed mentally/emotionally teens while getting older.

Except the tags are mt/ft and teenagers.

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