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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

I have a MacBook Pro laptop. My "a" key is sticking. Is the keyboard on a laptop repairable?

Replies:   REP  Remus2  Michael Loucks  damoose
REP ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

I am not familiar with a MacBook Pro.

Some laptops have keys that can be removed, so you can clean underneath them. Sometimes compressed air will work to clear whatever it is that causes the keys to stick. There are also spray cans of Freon or other solutions that can be used to free a sticky key. Check with you local Mac computer store for recommendations.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@REP

Check with you local Mac computer store for recommendations.

Better search some forums first. You're risking that a Mac store recommends replacing the complete keyboard just for a sticky key :D

Replies:   Tw0Cr0ws
Tw0Cr0ws ๐Ÿšซ
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@Keet

Better search some forums first. You're risking that a Mac store recommends replacing the complete keyboard just for a sticky key :D

An Apple store?
They will suggest replacing the whole laptop with a new one. More money for the company that way, and Apple buyers are assumed to have more money to spend and more willingness to spend it.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Tw0Cr0ws

They will suggest replacing the whole laptop with a new one.

If I have to buy a new laptop I'll buy a computer and never buy another laptop. I'm tired of this 17" monitor anyway. And I was never happy with the feel of the keyboard.

I used to have a summer house in the mountains so the laptop made sense. But I sold that a couple of years ago.

Thanks, everyone.

btw, when I was typing "thanks" the cap on the "a" popped off. I blew into it to clear out any dust before putting the cap back on. Maybe that โ€ฆ nope, the "a" got stuck typing "that."

Replies:   Honey_Moon
Honey_Moon ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I never use the laptop's keyboard. I currently use a wireless keyboard and mouse. Before that, a USB keyboard and mouse.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Honey_Moon

I never use the laptop's keyboard. I currently use a wireless keyboard and mouse. Before that, a USB keyboard and mouse.

Neither do I. Laptop keyboards are awkward for left handed people (among other things). Placement of the touchpads in relation to said keyboard is usually just as awkward.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@Remus2

Placement of the touchpads in relation to said keyboard is usually just as awkward.

On my MacBook, I use a wireless mouse, but I do use the touchpad for things like making an image bigger (by spreading my fingers on the pad) or fast scrolling (by swiping two fingers).

Why is the touchpad awkward? It sits under the keyboard right in the middle and it's big.

I guess I'll be buying a Mack desktop or a wireless keyboard for the laptop. The other day I couldn't get the "A" to work for quite some time.

Replies:   Michael Loucks  Remus2
Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Why is the touchpad awkward? It sits under the keyboard right in the middle and it's big.

I haven't used a mouse since the external trackpads became available. Mice just do not work for me, but trakpads are perfect. Different strokes.

As for the keyboard, I bought an Uppercase GhostCover Premium Ultra Thin Keyboard Protector. Never had a problem since.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

Mice just do not work for me

Have you tried a Logitech trackball mouse?

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Have you tried a Logitech trackball mouse?

The trackpad is actually simply natural for me.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Why is the touchpad awkward? It sits under the keyboard right in the middle and it's big.

It's fine for right handed people, but a lot of southpaws run into inadvertent touchpad contact due to the keyboard layout. In particular the home/return key and others set to the right. Look at your keyboard and consider my comments in relation to key placement.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/273791-leaked-macbook-pro-service-manual-confirms-dust-fix-in-new-keyboard

From reading that article, it would appear to be a common problem with 2016-2017 years production.

mimauk ๐Ÿšซ

When I have problems I don't know how to fix, I always have a look on utube and type in "How to***". That way if there is an easy fix you can actually see it and not have to rely on hearsay fixes.
hth.

The Outsider ๐Ÿšซ

And I usually use the iFixit website to gauge my desire to open the laptop, if repairs are more involved.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

Next time the key is off, check how good the spring is and how it sits.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

you can always get a cheap USB keyboard and plug that in to use it if you get too annoyed with the built-in one.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

you can always get a cheap USB keyboard

I was thinking of that. But the keyboard would sit between me and the laptop so the small screen would be farther away.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I use an external Keyboard on the old Lenovo I sometimes borrow from my son because I don't like the little keys on the built-in keyboard. I sit the external keyboard over the built-in keyboard and use it there. It is a touch higher, but I also find the small increase in height more comfortable. I do this when I use his laptop while away from home while acting as his transport.

Also, sometimes when I use his laptop at home I plug in and external monitor with a bigger screen to make it easier to use. When I do this the laptop sits to the side as if it's a thin desktop and I use the keyboard and mouse in front of the monitor.

Goldfisherman ๐Ÿšซ

I gave away all my Apple laptops and desktops when I switched to Linux Mint. I purchased several scrapped desktops and laptops converting them to Linux, dropping in new SSD's and adding Ram. I have several that run flawlessly and have even bought some replacement keyboards on e-Bay. Average price was $25 for an operating laptop and $100 for a whizbang desktop wit a 6-8 core CPU video cards, 12 GB RAM, AND 24 " HI RES MONITOR. Preferred is a 10 year old Samsung 17" laptop with a full keyboard, wireless mouse, 8GB Ram and a 500GB SSD and 6 core AMD Cpu. Total cost $130 with over 250 different programs and suites for nearly everything.

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Coming in a bit late, but compressed air has resolved any issues with my MacBook Pro keyboard.

It's certainly not up to Apple's usual hardware standards and is, IMHO, a result of Jony Ive insisting on making every laptop thinner than the previous version. A fools errand on a 'Pro' machine. The new keyboard is much better, and I'll hand this one down to my wife or kid.

Vincent Berg ๐Ÿšซ

Alas, the older Mac keyboards (those used from 2016 - 2019) were notoriously unreliable. Luckily, I started with a late model 2015 Mac, which weighs a ton and waited until the 2020 17" model came out, as they feature the Scissor Switch keyboards, where the keys actually jump when pressed, continually dislodging the dirt and debris which used to continually clog the Apple keyboard mechanism.

The other continual problematic issue with ALL Apple products, are the screens. While they all look sharp when you buy they, they all quickly develop various sized smalls dots across the screen where the screen's coating wears off, and after several years, this layer actually starts to peel off in whole swaths, making the screen fairly unreadable, forcing you to scroll each window to see the words your reading on a 'clean' part of the screen.

It's tedious, at best, and a continual embarrassment for a company which one used to pride itself on its focus on quality products designed for engineers. The new keyboards work well, and the new screens look phenomenal, but I can guarantee the screens will gradually worsen over time.

Again, the new keyboards routinely shake the dust and debris in the keys free, while for screens ONLY clean them with the newer screen cleaning cloths and use NO water or cleaning agents whatsoever!

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Vincent Berg

The other continual problematic issue with ALL Apple products, are the screens. While they all look sharp when you buy they, they all quickly develop various sized smalls dots across the screen where the screen's coating wears off, and after several years, this layer actually starts to peel off in whole swaths, making the screen fairly unreadable, forcing you to scroll each window to see the words your reading on a 'clean' part of the screen.

Family has had 22 Apple laptops over the past twenty years and never once encountered the screen problem you describe. Anecdotal, I realize, but none of the ones used at the companies I worked for had this problem, either.

The keyboards, on the other hand, have gone downhill until the latest models designed after Ive left.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

Well, Apple has my laptop. They're replacing the keyboard which is a large part of the laptop. I'm no longer under warrantee but they called it a quality warrantee or something like that. The article I read said because of the shortcomings of the keyboard on my laptop they extended the warrantee for 4 years. I bought my laptop in April 2017 so they are covering it. It would have been around $450.

One thing that is weird. When I typed, the laptop wobbled. i thought it was one of the feet on the bottom being shorter. When the Apple tech looked at my computer he felt it and thought that was the problem. It wasn't. The battery was swollen and I guess pushed out the bottom of the laptop so that it wasn't flat. The good news is the battery is attached to the part that has the keyboard on it so I get a new battery too.

btw, I'm currently on my wife's MacBook Pro which is a year older than mine. The keyboard is much better. The problem is, I somehow remembered my SOL login password even though I never log off. I'm going to have a problem because many of my passwords are not typed in. I use my fingerprint which I don't have on this computer. And since I use bookmarks extensively, I may not even remember many of the URLs for the sites I go to. I didn't know the SOL Forum, for example. I remembered the main SOL one and found the link to the forum.

Oh please, Apple, get me my laptop back soon.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

And since I use bookmarks extensively, I may not even remember many of the URLs for the sites I go to.

Most browsers allow you to create a backup of your bookmarks to a small file. Something to remember when you get your laptop back. Save such a backup to a USB stick or on-line storage. Make sure to encrypt it.

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Oh please, Apple, get me my laptop back soon.

Create an account for yourself and sync your bookmarks, passwords, etc, from iCloud. Or whichever password manager you used. I use RememBear for passwords and Firefox to sync my browser. That works perfectly for me between multiple machines, including when my main computer (laptop) was with Apple.

Replies:   Tw0Cr0ws
Tw0Cr0ws ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

Many of the people that I know who use a password manager swear by KeePassXC, and it is available for MacOS as well as Linux and Windows.

Honey_Moon ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

The problem is, I somehow remembered my SOL login password even though I never log off. I'm going to have a problem because many of my passwords are not typed in. I use my fingerprint which I don't have on this computer. And since I use bookmarks extensively, I may not even remember many of the URLs for the sites I go to. I didn't know the SOL Forum, for example. I remembered the main SOL one and found the link to the forum.

I had a heck of a problem when my old computer died. I had to eventually abandon a Yahoo email, and make a new one almost identical. I couldn't remember the password to save my life! I now use a zero instead an o in h0ney. Then I had to work with several forums, including SOL to prove I was still me, just with a slightly different email. It took forever to get back into everything!

damoose ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

Depending on you model year Apple will replace the keyboard for free.

link

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@damoose

Depending on you model year Apple will replace the keyboard for free.

Yes, they are replacing it free because if falls under what they call a quality warrantee. I guess that means the design was poor quality so they extended the warrantee by 4 years.

I spoke to the tech guy today. He actually replaced the part(s) yesterday but it wouldn't power up. Today he reinstalled the old part(s) and it powered up so he said the replacement part was DOA. He supposably will pick up a new part at another store tonight and install it tomorrow.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Today he reinstalled the old part(s) and it powered up so he said the replacement part was DOA.

That happens with a disturbing frequency with welding and auto electronics. It's a severe PIA when you needed the equipment yesterday.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

Problem fixed. Got my MacBook Pro back and it's working. Sort of. Now the power key doesn't work. They're ordering me the part for no charge. They may have broke it.

btw, the quote was for just under $450. The actual invoice (which I didn't have to pay) is just under $800.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

Time to buy a Mac desktop and use the laptop for backup.

Anything I should be looking for? Or does Apple have few choices to pick from? I want a Mac.

Replies:   damoose  Mushroom
damoose ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

Honestly I wouldn't get a desktop. Apple is good at may things one one which is over charging for industrial designs wrapped around underpowered hardware.

That being said... Apple does do Kool shit. And MacOS is pretty stable.

*If* I was in the market for new Apple stuff I would probably look at the Apple refurbished page and start from there. Full warranty, Apple Care, all that.

I'd look for a refurbished laptop of appropriate specs and add a keyboard and mouse of you preferred flavour, Apple or not.

Apple desktops are way, way, way... can't say way too many times, over priced.

Again, just the way I would start.

Replies:   rustyken  Switch Blayde
rustyken ๐Ÿšซ

@damoose

Apple desktops are way, way, way... can't say way too many times, over priced.

Well maybe. Several years ago I bit the bullet and dumped by custom built desktop PC which ran Linux (it was due for an upgrade) for a iMac. I am quite pleased the the result. I have replaced the keyboard with a pricey one that has a feel to it when i press a key as i didn't like the tactile feedback of the included keyboard. Administration is similar enough to Linux it is fairly easy to figure out with by background.

As to cost it was less than I had invested in the old PC especially if you factor in the time spent building and maintaining.

But to each his own

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@damoose

Honestly I wouldn't get a desktop.

I did some research and Apple doesn't make a desktop. Not the type I was familiar with with my PC (a tower with CD drive, etc.). They have an iMac which I don't want. For example, I don't want the computer built into the monitor.

I spoke to my son and he told me about an adapter he has on his MacBook (HyperDrive - Ultimate 11-Port USB-C Hub). It fits into the two USB ports (or whatever Apple calls them) on the side. On the other side of the adapter are two USB ports plus 2 more (the adapter is long). And in the back is an HDMI port to connect to the external monitor.

So what I'm going to do is keep my MacBook as my computer and add a larger monitor and an external keyboard, and the adapter I mentioned. The only problem I have is space on my desk for both the laptop and the monitor/keyboard.

My son has to test one thing for me. He knows when it's hooked up that way the keyboard on the laptop isn't functional. That's fine. I'll use the external keyboard. But I need the touchpad and the bar at the top of the laptop keyboard with the fingerprint sensor, volume control, etc. to be functional. He'll test if they are.

My second choice is simply to add a larger monitor with that HDMI cable. But I know the laptop keyboard will break again so I want to get around using that.

Replies:   John Demille
John Demille ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I did some research and Apple doesn't make a desktop. Not the type I was familiar with with my PC (a tower with CD drive, etc.). They have an iMac which I don't want. For example, I don't want the computer built into the monitor.

They make the Mac mini and the Mac Pro. Neither has a CD/DVD drive; but to be honest, these days with fast internet and cheap cloud storage that handles back up for you, who needs a disk drive?

These days almost nobody needs more than a Mac mini. For the rest there is the hyper-expensive Mac Pro (starts at $6000, but minimum reasonable config at $7400).

If you can find a used recent Mac mini, go for it. They work for a long time and they're small, efficient and very quiet.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  madnige
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@John Demille

They make the Mac mini

Ah, so there is something other than the iMac. Thanks.

As to the CD drive, I was just trying to say the tower type PCs have more capability than the laptops. Yeah, you don't use CDs anymore. You download everything from the internet, like software and drivers.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Yeah, you don't use CDs anymore.

except to watch the movies on dvd you already have at home.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

except to watch the movies on dvd you already have at home.

I don't anymore. Everything is watched thru streaming.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I don't anymore. Everything is watched thru streaming.

Why pay to have it streamed when you already have the DVD? I can see streaming movies I don't have, but why waste the bandwidth and pay for the downloads when I can just put in the DVD. I'm more aware of this than some as we pay for every dang MB of download and upload here.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@Ernest Bywater

as we pay for every dang MB of download and upload here.

I don't. I pay a monthly fee for my internet and it's high speed. I pay for 100 mbps but get more than that. I just ran several speed tests and they were between 146 and 150 mbps.

Most of my DVDs are analog. I only have a few blue-ray ones.

But I'm also old school. I subscribed to every cable premium channel (HBO, Showtime, STARZ, Encore, Cinimax, etc.).

madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@John Demille

these days with fast internet and cheap cloud storage that handles back up for you, who needs a disk drive?

Anybody like me who, for most of the day, is constrained to low bandwidth; for an hour in the morning and a few in the evening, I'm home and have good-enough speed, but whilst caring for my mother, I'm on mobile internet which only gives me a speed around 1-2K (it was faster before lockdown). Also, I don't trust the cloud storage providers not to change their T&C's or go out of business with no warning, or even decide that a stored SOL story violates their terms so they lock the account.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Time to buy a Mac desktop and use the laptop for backup.

Anything I should be looking for? Or does Apple have few choices to pick from? I want a Mac.

Sorry, can't help you there.

When I started on the Corporate side of PC Tech Support (at a company created by a guy famous for building a wooden airplane) about 25 years ago, I actually started as one of the "Mac Experts". I already had over a decade of experience on that platform by that time, and knew it well.

But over the next several years, I saw the company largely turn to shit, and have only worked on them since then when I had no choice. Primarily, it is the lack of choice, the forced upgrades, and the constant control and expensive upgrades I could no longer take.

If you want a "Like Mac" experience, there are many options in various forms of Linux. And it is not hard moving to Windows. But with the cost of full powered PC laptops dropping all the time (and the price of Mac ones rising all the time), I simply can never suggest buying a Mac anymore.

If you absolutely feel like you can not survive without the Mac OS, you can also look into getting a "Hackintosh". There are literally dozens of desktops and laptops that are built on the PC platform which will run the Mac OS.

At least that way you actually have a choice, and are not forced to just accept whatever they are willing to sell this month.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Primarily, it is the lack of choice, the forced upgrades, and the constant control and expensive upgrades I could no longer take.

I agree with those points, but, after being a PC user since 1980, I'm now sold on Apple. First, I've never had a virus or crash on it. But more importantly, I have an 800 number to call for tech support. I can't even put a price on that value. If I were using Pages instead of Word and had the problem I'm having now with the window and font size, I could call someone. Try calling Microsoft.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

My son has a desktop computer which he calls a 'Hackingtosh.' The system is a standard Intel desktop on which he loaded an older copy of the Mac IOS and then upgraded the OS. It works well.

Replies:   damoose
damoose ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

Gotta love the Hackintosh :-)

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

I basically have a new MacBook Pro except for the display. When they replaced the keyboard they replaced the battery which was attached to the part they replaced. But the laptop came back with a broken power button. When they replaced that, Apple replaced the logic board or something which required them to reinstall the OS.

So I had to reinstall MS Office. The thing is, when I now open a Word doc it used to remember the size of the window and the font size that it was set to when I closed it last. It no longer does that. Every time I open a docx file I have to stretch it to full screen (not quite full screen because I want the Mac doc to show on the bottom).

I know you all hate MS products, but does anyone know why this is happening? It didn't before the reinstall. I'm running Word 16.16.22 on the Catalina OS 10.15.5.

Thanks.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

This may not help; i offer it for what it's worth, which may be nothing. Recently, an old Mac died, and old files and applications on the internal hard drive were lost. I bought a new Mac, with new system and new apps. Because I had a complete back-up to an external drive, the people at the Apple genius bar were able to restore 99.99 percent to the new Mac. The problem with the old Mac, they said, was that I was running a system and apps on it that were not meant for a Mac that old. The hardware (that may be the wrong word) will only stretch so far, and some future system may go beyond its capacity. What am I supposed to do? I asked. When I get a message from Apple saying there's a system update for my machine, I always let it be installed automatically. They said, you should know the limits of your machine. Just ask us and we'll tell you. Don't accept any upgrades beyond that. If my experience is any guideline, it is conceivable that your system is too new for your machine. I asked them if they could repair my old Mac and they said yes - but we have to wipe out everything on it, then reload an older system, and as long as you only use software that is compatible with that older system you'll be fine. They fixed it.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

The hardware (that may be the wrong word) will only stretch so far, and some future system may go beyond its capacity.

That's not it. My system is the same as it was, only with new parts. The OS is the same. And I reinstalled Word to the most current version so it's the same.

Word works. It just doesn't remember the way the window was (size of window on screen and increased font size (it goes back to 100%) whenever I open the doc). It does with Excel, just now Word.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

It no longer does that.

You may want to check if there are user setting in either MS Office, MS Word, or the Mac OS where you can set those items to what you like. As a minimum you should be able to set a choice of default font in all three, and usually you can select and save window sizes as default or as same as last used.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

As a minimum you should be able to set a choice of default font in all three, and usually you can select and save window sizes as default or as same as last used.

I looked at the settings and didn't find anything. It's not the defaults I want it to come up with. For example, in one file I zoomed the font size to 200%. When I bring it up, it comes up at 100%. The other file, I zoomed it to 250%. It comes up with 200% (which was what I had zoomed it to and it was saved as in the past).

Replies:   paliden
paliden ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

You can make templates in MS Word. Click on "help" and search for Templates. You can set the options and looks to be the defaults.

edit: typo

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@paliden

You can make templates in MS Word.

It's the temporary change I want it to remember the next time I open the file โ€“ zoom size. And the size of the window the document opens in. The window has nothing to do with a template. Also, it's only happening with Word so it's not a Mac setting for the window size.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

You may want to check if there are user setting in either MS Office, MS Word,

That reminded me of something else I needed to do. Turn off smart quotes and converting -- to โ€”

Glad you mentioned it. Thanks.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

I found this on answers.microsoft.com:

We have received several reports about the same issue recently. For others to easily identify the information here, I'm summarizing the issue as follows:

Issue description:
After updating to version 16.25 (190512), Word for Mac can no longer remember the window size closed last time. It always opens at a fixed size.

Environment:
Word for Mac version 16.25 (190512) on all three latest version of Mac OS.

Assessment:
We can reproduce the same behavior on our side. And we are reporting the issue to our related team for further investigation. Once there is any update, we will post back as soon as possible. As a workaround, you can open the Word for Mac application first and open the file from the recent list or from the File menu.

It's from way back in May, 2019. And it's for version 16.25. I'm current on my updates and only on version 16.16 so I don't understand that. And the workaround is how I've been accessing the files - from the recent.

So there's probably not a fix for it. What I don't understand is it didn't do this before the OS reinstall and reinstalling Word. *shakes head*

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

So there's probably not a fix for it. What I don't understand is it didn't do this before the OS reinstall and reinstalling Word. *shakes head*

It probably was fixed. It's MS, they probably re-introduced the bug fixing something else.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

It probably was fixed. It's MS, they probably re-introduced the bug fixing something else.

That is not it at all, if it is caused by the "three latest versions of the Mac OS". That alone says it is something that Apple did.

And with what Switch said, it is likely not a main numbered patch, but one of the smaller additional ones. Just at a guess (my programming days are long past), MS was using a way to write configurations that somebody else discovered could be used as an exploit. This is actually common in programming, people want to break around security, so find another program that does what you want and copy how it does it.

But that broke it, and instead of working with MS they are just going "Eh, not our problem". That was one of the things that infuriated me when working with Mac OS. Hardly a month passed that some update broke another program I had to use to do my job. And the company I worked with was a hardware and software developer (Telephony). They finally gave up trying to make software that would work on Mac, every time they were about to go from Alpha to Beta test, they broke something in the OS and they had to go right back to coding all over again. Even the CEO (a real Mac fanatic) finally ordered a halt to supporting Mac users.

The strangeness of working IT. We mostly worked with Linux boxes in the field, supporting our program for the PC, and we all used Mac computers.

As for virus, you must have missed the 1990's. Those were rampant on the Mac back then. When I worked at Hughes Aerospace, I think 80% of our Mac systems had one virus or another. And the OS is still no more secure than Windows. It is just that with less than 10% of the marketplace, nobody cares when they can go after almost 90% of the market with the same amount of work.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

This sounds more and more like it's one of the MS config file settings which are deeply hidden so that only knowledgable techs can change them. If you know where to look for these settings all of the MS display settings can be personalized, but it's in an area that can very easily screw up the whole system which is why users aren't told about them. Also, because this is an MS program on a Mac it could be the setting is one of the deeply hidden Mac settings for setting up MS to display. If it is one of these settings it is not one of those things that can be talked through remotely.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  Mushroom
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

This sounds more and more like it's one of the MS config file settings

My guess is each Word file (and Excel file) has meta data stored about the document/spreadsheet which it uses when you reopen the file. Those are not user settings, but internal. Somehow the reinstall of Word did something.

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Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

These are the internal config settings I was talking about, and there are reasons why it's not recommended that users play with them. However, back when I was doing IT tech stuff I used to play with them within MS Windows on a regular basis. There are also some similar type settings within Unix and Linux that allows a trained tech to amend them as well. Since Mac OS is based on Unix I'm sure such settings can be changed, but it needs to be done by a trained tech.

In all of the operating systems there are places where you can tell it where about on the screen to open a program window, the size you want the window to be, and you can change their default settings if you access the right part of the code in the correct way. I never suggest untrained people try to access his area as an error can cause the system to totally crash and need a total reload of the software. But this is the type of meta data info I was talking about.

You can also set font and font sizes for the whole system this way. However, most operating systems also provide a user accessible application that allows you to set the font, font sizes, and display colors for the whole system.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

This sounds more and more like it's one of the MS config file settings which are deeply hidden so that only knowledgable techs can change them.

This is exactly my thought. More than likely, it (or the folder it rested in) were at one time changeable by the user without special settings in the OS. Then a patch for the OS added in extra security settings, which made this impossible.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Actually, there's one other piece to the puzzle. I back up my data to an external hard drive. I don't use Time Machine. I back up individual files or folders of files. When I got my laptop back I had to copy all my data files/folders from the external hard drive to my Mac. The external hard drive is the one I used with my PC before switching to Apple.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

So there's probably not a fix for it. What I don't understand is it didn't do this before the OS reinstall and reinstalling Word. *shakes head*

This tell me it is an OS issue, not a software issue with the program.

One thing my experience with Mac taught me, is that Apple never cares much about either backwards compatibility, or "playing well with others". They will create an update, make it mandatory with no way to roll it back, and have it break 2 or 3 other programs.

I had to deal with that many times when I worked for an IT company where we all used Mac. We would be told that the update broke something we had to use, then quickly change to not update until we could work around the broken program. Most of the time, it was waiting for the maker to update it to work with the newest patch.

We had 1 computer that had not been updated in a well over a year. There was 1 program we needed to do remote configuration on routers, and the company had gone out of business. So we had 1 system with a 2013 patch of OS X, in 2015.

If I have to guess, they probably changed in the OS how certain situational data was saved, locking it down where previously the application could have changed it. Apple is well known for locking itself down so tight that people like me have to fight to do almost anything in it. That is why when I did work from home, I always used my own Linux box to do work, and not the company laptop if I could avoid it.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

This tell me it is an OS issue, not a software issue with the program.

But it's the same OS I had before. When Apple reinstalled the OS they installed Mohave (32 bit). The first thing I did was upgrade to Catalina (64 bit). That was the OS I had on the system when I gave them my computer.

Don't forget, I had to reinstall MS Office so I have a reinstalled Word. I ran the updates so I assume it's where it was when I turned my computer in. But maybe there was an update I didn't have previously that's doing this.

It's not a problem. It's just a few extra steps each time I open the docx file. I have to stretch the window to the size I want and do the zoom to the font size I want. Just extra steps. And only with Word. Excel seems to remember.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

If both the 'a' and 'l' keys were sticking, you'd have an al retentive keyboard ;-)

AJ

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

an al retentive keyboard

sounds like somebody rectum.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

sounds like somebody rectum.

only if you read the keyboard from left to right and the only keys sticking were 'a' 'n' 'l' for it to be an 'anl' problem.

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