Unless I am misreading (and I may be), it is the Navy that is in charge of the presidential retreat at Camp David in the Cacoctin Mountains in Maryland.
That seems odd to me. Why would the Navy be in charge of a camp in the mountains?
Unless I am misreading (and I may be), it is the Navy that is in charge of the presidential retreat at Camp David in the Cacoctin Mountains in Maryland.
That seems odd to me. Why would the Navy be in charge of a camp in the mountains?
Why would the Navy be in charge of a camp in the mountains?
Because if the Army supplied the personnel the President would have to exist on MREs... :)
Navel land bases exist, not just ships, so having one high above sea level isn't really such a stretch. After all, they go more or less as far below sea level...
It's simple because the security is provided by the Marines and they're a branch of the Navy. The facility is also managed by the Seabees which is the Navy construction branch.
The branches of the military split duties relating to the President. The Navy is in charge of the mess (it's why the restaurant/cafeteria in the White House is called the Navy Mess), the Air Force for plane transportation, the Marines for helicopter transportation, and the army for ground transportation.
The call signs "Air Force One" "Marine One"", "Army One", "Navy One" and "Executive One" have been used for aircraft carrying the President of the United States. In the case of the first four, the call sign is determined by the branch of service that owns the aircraft in question. In theory if the President of the US were to fly in an aircraft owned by the Coast Guard the call sign would be "Coast Guard One".
These call signs apply to any aircraft carrying the US President - it does not matter what it is.
"Executive One" would be any civilian aircraft with the President on board.
Note that all the call signs with the exception of "Coast Guard One" have been used at least once.
I am actually amazed that there is doubt why all the US services devote time to guarding and serving their Commander in Chief. The SS ostensibly come from the Treasury Department (why, I am not sure, it just is) and the rest come from the military branches.
How the Navy comes up with the best cooks is open to debate. From personal experience it is the Air Force. The Army's were the worst.
The SS ostensibly come from the Treasury Department (why, I am not sure, it just is)
The Secret Service was created on July 5, 1865 in Washington, D.C., as the "Secret Service Division" of the Department of the Treasury with the mission of suppressing counterfeiting U.S. currency and Treasury securities.
After the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, Congress informally requested that the Secret Service provide presidential protection. A year later, the Secret Service assumed full-time responsibility for presidential protection.
The U.S. Secret Service is no longer part of the Treasury department. As of 2003, it is under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
I am actually amazed that there is doubt why all the US services devote time to guarding and serving their Commander in Chief.
I would suspect that those questioning this never had to memorize the chain of command chart in Basic Training. Nor are they aware of the differences between combat and non combat arms, where you could literally have a second lieutenant end up giving a colonel legal orders.
Perhaps the people questioning this were never in the US military; such as, EB who is an Australian although he knows a lot more about the topic than many Americans.
Perhaps the people questioning this were never in the US military; such as, EB who is an Australian although he knows a lot more about the topic than many Americans.
I think due to Ernest's family history, he understand chain of command. He's written enough books that do grasp it that it makes sense.
Agreed. However, he has also researched the US military's chain of command for his stories that relate to the US military.
Nor are they aware of the differences between combat and non combat arms, where you could literally have a second lieutenant end up giving a colonel legal orders.
JAG always made me laugh at the fluidity of Harm moving between 'staff' and 'line' officer, and everyone ignoring that difference in most cases.
JAG always made me laugh at the fluidity of Harm moving between 'staff' and 'line' officer, and everyone ignoring that difference in most cases.
Yeah, that's one area Hollywood does not grasp at all. Or the minor detail that some of the other TV shows (NCIS) really, REALLY, overstep their actual legal authority.
If Hollywood understood and adhered to reality, then they would have to classify their TV programs and films as fictional documentaries. :)
that's one area Hollywood does not grasp at all.
I happen to like the TV show "God Friended Me" (although the 1st season was much better than the 2nd), HOWEVER…
There's a lot of bullshit IT stuff in it. In one episode someone was hacking into their servers. One of the stars jumped in and stopped it and built a security system in something like 10 minutes.
But that wasn't the worse IT blunder. The hackers got in and wiped out the new system's code while it was online. Hasn't Hollywood heard of back-ups?
While I was working as a Technical Writing groups manager, I had to constantly deal with writers who failed to backup their work.
My first encounter with lost development was a failed hard disk. Fortunately, I had instigated a policy of my writers providing me with a weekly backup of their work, so all we lost was less than a week's effort.
Sometimes you don't want back ups.
Iron Mountain is a secure document storage company that has had a remarkable number of fires.
Being cynical I have wondered if booking the fires cost more than the storage.
Which one of their facilities are you talking about? They have 1,500 locations that vary from commercial to governmental. Last time I was in the Boyers, Pennsylvania facility, I didn't hear anything about a series of fires, but it could have been elsewhere?
JAG always made me laugh at the fluidity of Harm moving between 'staff' and 'line' officer, and everyone ignoring that difference in most cases.
JAG, I guess, means Judge Advocate General. "fluidity of Harm" is meaningless to me. Anybody wish to clarify?
Anybody wish to clarify?
Nope.
But I'd guess that 'Harm' is a character who moves 'fluidly' between 'staff' and 'line', perhaps repeatedly.
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Yup, put 'JAG' and 'Harm' into google, hey pesto..!! Free knowledge.
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Yes, pesto. I'm feeling saucy :)
JAG' and 'Harm'
"Harmon Rabb - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmon_Rabb
Harmon 'Harm' Rabb, Jr. is a fictional character and lead role in the American television series JAG.The character was created by Donald P. Bellisario, as a work for hire for Paramount Television, in the script for the JAG pilot episode, which was filmed and then aired by NBC on 23 September, 1995."
Yes, pesto. I'm feeling saucy :)
I read that and thought joyR. I look at the top of the post. Yep. You do have a certain style. :)
JAG, I guess, means Judge Advocate General. "fluidity of Harm" is meaningless to me. Anybody wish to clarify?
JAG == Judge Advocate General [Corps]; basically Navy legal services from soup to nuts. They are commanded by the Judge Advocate General, a flag officer.
Harm == Harmon Rabb, Jr. A former Naval Aviator (line officer) who was grounded due to vision problems. He became a JAG lawyer (staff officer). At various points he moved fluidly between the two and nobody seemed to care about the line/staff distinction. He also quit and went to CIA and was simply let back into the Navy.
The entire show basically seemed to ignore the staff/line distinction, not to mention messing up uniform regs repeatedly.
And, for completeness.
NCIS == Naval Criminal Investigative Services. They are commanded by a civilian (they were commanded by a flag officer prior to Tailhook, when they were NIS, the Naval Investigative Service).
They have VERY limited jurisdiction in real life. On the show(s), they act more like some combination of FBI/US Marshals Service/Secret Service.
Perhaps they do that because he is a pilot (line) and a lawyer (staff). Just guessing.
I always loved who ever the show was about they would always be the main person on an arrest even though in real life they would be no where near it.
Remember the show Quency MD where the autopsy doctor would be there when an arrest was made.
Here is some "straight dope",from somebody that spent over a decade in the Marines. Over half of that in Security Forces.
The Secret Service does indeed protect the President 95% of the time. The exception to this is at Camp David. And the Marines do indeed provide the security for that location.
As for as Presidential helicopters, his main one is known as "Marine One". Until 1976 this duty was actually shared with the Army, which when they were in command it was known as "Army One".
If the VP is flying, the crafts are known as "Marine Two" or "Air Force Two". And these are any aircraft, not just the specific ones set aside for their use.
Here is some "straight dope",from somebody that spent over a decade in the Marines. Over half of that in Security Forces.
The Secret Service does indeed protect the President 95% of the time. The exception to this is at Camp David. And the Marines do indeed provide the security for that location.
As for as Presidential helicopters, his main one is known as "Marine One". Until 1976 this duty was actually shared with the Army, which when they were in command it was known as "Army One".
If the VP is flying, the crafts are known as "Marine Two" or "Air Force Two". And these are any aircraft, not just the specific ones set aside for their use.
Presidential guard duties are assigned to the Marines which are under the Navy department.
I thought it was the Secret Service that provided presidential guards. If you see it on TV during the inaugural parade, the commentators identify those agents running alongside the presidential limo as secret service people. Or is there maybe more than one type of presidential guard?
Or is there maybe more than one type of presidential guard?
There is more than one type, especially at Camp David.
The President's helicopter is 'Marine One'.
The President's helicopter is 'Marine One'.
And his airplane is Air Force One. How is either vehicle evidence of who his guards are?
the commentators identify those agents running alongside the presidential limo as secret service people. Or is there maybe more than one type of presidential guard?
Well, if you look at the guards standing at attention and saluting when the President gets out of Air Force One, they're military.
President gets out of Air Force One, they're military.
Specifically, they are Marines.
I thought it was the Secret Service that provided presidential guards.
The Secret Service provides the personal bodyguards while the Marines provide the facility and area security guards at Camp David.