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Off screen incest - story tags

Mike-Kaye ๐Ÿšซ

Please forgive this long introduction to my questions.

Generous Offers (2) is about Mike and his ladies (read: sluts) going on a cruise where open consensual adult activities are encouraged. On the cruise is a happily incestuous family. The parents explain how their family grew up that way because they want Mike to look after their four young adult children. (Business issues required the parents to leave the cruise early.)

They raised their family in a loft. After potty training, the children joined their parents in nudism at home. From babies their children watched their parents enjoying sex. At an early, unspecified age, Abby, their first born, tries to help with a pre-intercourse blowjob. She was turned down with, "when you are older." Abby said her sister also wanted to help. Her sister would have to wait longer. She got to help when she was older and yes, the sister had to wait longer. Actual ages are purposefully left to the reader's imagination.

Twin boys joined the family when Abby was still two. When the twins were ready for a regular bed the family had three beds. Dad & Mom, Abby & Jenny, James & Will.

SNIP FROM THE STORY
[The parents are telling Mike privately how their family became incestuous. The father finishes the telling:] "It was not much of a surprise when Abby and James switched beds. We smiled as we watched our children sharing the most pleasurable kind of familial love for the first time.

"It was a good thing we prepared our girls for the twins becoming sexually active. The girls were protected by a combination of birth control pills and IUDs.

"Soon we all shared intimate relations. For the past few years, almost every week each male was sexually active with each female โ€“ often multiple times. One day Jenny decided to go without sexual pleasure. We respected her wishes. She lasted that way for almost two weeks.
END SNIP

The twins are 18 in the story. At a few other places the adult children mention their family history.

ALL incestuous activity is "off screen." It's not the point of the story. If the story has a point at all, its Mike's 19yo ladies are spending a fraction of the inheritance they will soon get at age 21. And having the time of their lives doing spending it.

Story Description as planned:
Mike and his ladies take a clothing optional cruise. Open consensual adult activity is encouraged. Mike meets a happily incestuous family; their four young adult children join his ladies for adult fun with others.

At the end of the chapter before Mike learns about this family I include:

{ notice}
In the following chapter, parents talk about how their family became happily incestuous. There is no domination, coercion, or submission involved. To them, M/F sexual activity just feels good. Sisters with brothers and dad. Brothers with mom.

None of this becomes thematic. But it is mentioned in later chapters.
{ /notice}

My questions:
* Is the above notice enough of a warning for those who are triggered by incest?
* What incest tags should I check?
* Should I include "This is NOT a story about incest." in the story description?

[Side note]
My first cut on "Abby, their first born, tries to help with a pre-intercourse blowjob" had Abby taking over from her mother. I thought it was funny. Lazeez thought it had to go.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mike-Kaye

My questions:

* Is the above notice enough of a warning for those who are triggered by incest?

* What incest tags should I check?

* Should I include "This is NOT a story about incest." in the story description?

I don't think you can use 'it happens off-screen' as a reason not to tag it. After all, if it isn't on-screen and is incidental to the story, why even include it? If it is necessary to the story, it should be tagged.

Adding a more detailed explanation in the description can't hurt and may help those who don't discount it purely based on the tags.

As for which tags, you could just check 'incest', or if you feel further detail is needed, then tag each applicable, father/daughter etc.

As an aside, it woulds be interesting if a story explained incest in more practical and adult terms as being a valid way to teach young people about sex in a safe, loving environment, as opposed to immature furtive fumbling in a back seat.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@joyR

I don't think you can use 'it happens off-screen' as a reason not to tag it. After all, if it isn't on-screen and is incidental to the story, why even include it? If it is necessary to the story, it should be tagged.

Yes you can. While some don't like/avoid incest stories others actively look for them. Tagging a story as incest when all of the incest is off screen will piss off the later group.

Plus from the author posting guide: https://storiesonline.net/author/posting_guidelines.php

Precise coding is also important. Excessive coding is bad. If something is mentioned in the story but not described, then it shouldn't coded for. Anything that happens offscreen shouldn't be coded for.

As an aside, it woulds be interesting if a story explained incest in more practical and adult terms as being a valid way to teach young people about sex in a safe, loving environment, as opposed to immature furtive fumbling in a back seat.

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Replies:   joyR  awnlee jawking
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Yes you can. While some don't like/avoid incest stories others actively look for them. Tagging a story as incest when all of the incest is off screen will piss off the later group.

Whilst not tagging will piss off the former group. Or don't they matter to you?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Whilst not tagging will piss off the former group.

Not really, at least not all of them, or even a majority of them. While there might be many people bothered by graphic presentation of incest, I doubt that there are all that many people so bothered by it that they would be that upset by the mere mention of incest with no on-screen incestuous activity.

And, no, the snowflakes who would be pissed of by the mere mention of incest (or any other form of kink) don't matter to me, because those kind of people would just find something else to be pissed off about, they are impossible to please.

Besides, You have completely ignored the fact that the author posting guidelines say you should NOT code for things that are mentioned but occur off-screen.

Replies:   REP
REP ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

You have completely ignored the fact

I agree. Authors who code for off screen activities will end up with a large number of codes that some readers will find inappropriate. Over coding can also cause a different problem: codes pertinent to a reader's squick are likely to be lost in the glut of up to 50 codes that are added. Others will be overwhelmed by the glut of codes and ignore the codes, read the story, and then complain about content. Readers ignoring codes has been a common complaint here in the Forum.

Codes and warnings in the description are no-win scenarios when it comes to content that readers might find offensive. You can't address every possible thing that your readers might find offensive with a code or caution. If nothing else the code limit and description length prevent that. And then there is always content that you would never consider as possibly being offensive to others.

The day before yesterday, I got the idea for a new story that is likely to be highly controversial. If I can find time in finishing off several of my serial stories, I will write it.

I realized that some people will be offended by the story and I should warn them as to the nature of the story. There is no way I can adequately provide a caution in the description block. I decided to add a story description and caution in my blog. With blog entries subject to automatic deletion after 2 years, it will be better if I direct readers to read the Introduction. I can do a decent job of describing the content there.

Of course with readers the way they are, they will skip reading the Introduction. I can't shield everyone from things they don't like - its impossible; especially when they ignore my suggestions. So I expect the people who ignore my attempts to inform them about the nature of the story will send me feedback complaining about the story or they will just 1-bomb me.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Yes you can. While some don't like/avoid incest stories others actively look for them. Tagging a story as incest when all of the incest is off screen will piss off the later group.

A chapter in one of my stories mentions off-screen incest to explain one of the characters' fetishes. I didn't code the incest and no-one has complained - and I actively encourage coding complaints.

That doesn't prove I chose the optimum coding, but it goes some way to confirming that my coding wasn't wrong in this case.

AJ

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