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To illustrate or not?

PeverelPoint 🚫

Dear Reader...I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Do illustrations improve the reading experience or not?
I recently posted a story titled 'Jason's Mum' which involves non-consensual sex. As an afterthought I decided to add illustrations.

But, here's the thing. Do they add or detract from the reading experience. For example, would it be better just to include a few introductory images which help the reader get an idea of the character? Or is it better to include more graphic sexual images? OR is it better to provide NO images at all and leave everything o the reader's imagination?
After all, the art of writing is about creating images in the mind of the reader.

The Outsider 🚫
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@PeverelPoint

For me, they are a turn-off, but that's me…

Your mileage may vary… And I have no artistic talent, so my stories weren't illustrated.

Replies:   solitude
solitude 🚫

@The Outsider

For me, they are a turn-off, but that's me…

... and me. I am grateful that there's a way of omitting images when reading a story (and I would find it helpful if there was also a way of downloading stories without images). When writing a story with images, please include the illustrated tag... and bear in mind that even so some readers might not have looked t the images: they might be bandwidth-limite, or visiting country where it's legal to read stories about particular acts, but illegal to view images depicting them. (In other words, it's best to make sure the stories make sense without the images.)

Just my 2 cents worth.

junior15 🚫

@PeverelPoint

For stories that are primarily there for the storyline, I think a few images to provide the reader with what you imagine the characters and/or locations look like would be helpful for those of us with little to no creativity or imagination. I personally can't actually picture the characters in stories as I read since I don't have the creativity or imagination to be able to create those images in my head, so if you provide those, it helps me picture them in my head rather than just having generic placeholder images in my head.

For stories where sex is a major component of the story, I'd prefer more images since I enjoy visuals along with the writing. One reason I still like reading stories on Lit is because there are some authors that provide well written illustrated stories.

With all that said, I dislike illustrations that are less realistic. The ones that are massively exaggerated (for instance a normal sized woman with breasts that are 4 times as large as would be reasonable) just turn me away. If the illustrations provide a somewhat realistic depiction of the story, I appreciate that. Again, I mostly like the illustrations because they augment the story by providing the images that my mind can't create so if the characters are described with certain features or measurements, the illustrations should reflect that.

Because there are readers, like The Outsider above, who don't like illustrations, would it be that much more work/effort to either provide the images in a separate chapter that would obviously be optional (for the stories where the images are just there to provide references for what the characters and/or places look like to you) or post the illustrated story alongside the non-illustrated story (this might be more appropriate if you intend to include illustrations inline to the story that are scene-specific) so your readers have the option?

Replies:   PeverelPoint
PeverelPoint 🚫

@junior15

Thanks that's very helpful

TheDarkKnight 🚫

@PeverelPoint

I haven't got on the illustration train yet. I prefer to describe my characters as much as possible and let the reader fill in the rest based on their life experiences.

Or maybe I'm just too lazy to learn the tools necessary to add illustrations.

Replies:   PeverelPoint
PeverelPoint 🚫

@TheDarkKnight

Thanks, thats's useful

REP 🚫
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@PeverelPoint

I think images are a double-edged sword. If your reader likes the image, then it is good for the story. If your reader does not like the image, then it can have a negative impact for the story.

I have read stories with the initial image being an attractive woman who was dressed or partially dressed. That image gave me a positive impression. Then it was followed by an image that I considered gross. That turned me off.

You don't know what will actually appeal to your readers. Some will like the images, others won't.

Replies:   PeverelPoint
PeverelPoint 🚫

@REP

Yes, your second para touches upon my doubts really. Thanks.

happytechguy15 🚫

@PeverelPoint

I find it can build an image in my head based on author description, and often coincides with pleasant thoughts.

However, if an author says "she looks like _____ famous actress, then I need to Google said person.

If the author includes one image, I keep going back to the image to refresh my thinking. Example: Nerdy Scientist. Recently complete.

On the other hand, several illustrations in Jason's Mum do not match the emotions written. No offense intended to the authors, and this does not affect my vote.

I would guess you could ask for feedback at the end of your story? As in ask if the image enhanced reading enjoyment?

Fick Suck 🚫

@PeverelPoint

Illustrations, like the other components, can be hit or miss. I thought yours were fun, and they fit the type of story you wrote. 10/10

Replies:   PeverelPoint
PeverelPoint 🚫

@Fick Suck

Thanks

The Outsider 🚫

@PeverelPoint

Having read the other responses, I realize I may have misinterpreted the original question.

My stories didn't have illustrations in the text, although they did occasionally have maps to help readers understand where the story was. ("A Charmed Life" had a map of the towns where Jeff grew up as if they weren't submerged by the Quabbin Reservoir...)

Replies:   filbert_1
filbert_1 🚫

@The Outsider

I'd add a vote for maps. I've read a few stories set in the US and, never having visited there (except San Diego, to see family) I have tend to ignore the geography in a story. Unless it seems critical. I'm just reading a story set in 19c US and it talks about moving from Virginia to somewhere called Council Bluffs and I did take the time to get a map out and look at the route.

Replies:   Dinsdale  Vincent Berg
Dinsdale 🚫

@filbert_1

Maps are even more useful if the location is entirely fictional, QM's maps for his https://storiesonline.net/series/1769/shadow-hunter series are essential additions to the stories (his replies in his user-comments contain the links) and the maps are of a high quality.
Jay Cantrell included maps for a couple of his fictional settings (including Azkoval) and at least they are better than nothing.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@filbert_1

Often, the locations in stories are fictional, yet most will place those stories in relation to other actual cities, so forget where the story location isβ€”unless it is a city. Yet "Council Bluffs" sounds like a bogus name to me, though I have heard stranger names in my day.

Since literature is based on words, I prefer establishing those details in WORDS, not external maps, as if you can't describe a location in terms of other things, then you've not no basis in writing FICTION! (No offense, just my PO). But it's not rocket science, it's a natural part of writing, placing a story somewhere, so readers get a feel for what the characters are experiencing (ex: the regional dialect, their mannerisms, they're greetings, their favorite hangouts, low local events).

That's how you make stories real for the readers, as otherwise, there's no way to grasp who the characters actually are. In short, supplying maps is akin to describing each character's precise measurements (ex: 5'8" or a 36" C-cup, when the characters would have no way of telling that, when most women don't know their own bra sizes! So using 'relational' references (ex: "She's taller than Sally, yet at least an inch smaller than Jane.")

But, if you can't describe referential descriptions OR physical locations, then it's probably better avoiding both entirely. But just keep in mind how little characters are likely to actually know about each other, particularly when first meeting).

Replies:   jimq2
jimq2 🚫

@Vincent Berg

"Council Bluffs" sounds like a bogus name to me

Council Bluffs is a city in western Iowa, right across the Missouri River from Omaha, NE.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@jimq2

Thanks. I'll admit, I've never spent much (i.e. ANY) time in Omaha, other than driving thru it heading for other places. Though I'll admit, the name did sound familiar, even while I was writing that response.

Replies:   jimq2
jimq2 🚫

@Vincent Berg

If you drove through Omaha going east or west, you would have driven through Council Bluffs. Council Bluffs has a long history from even before 1852 when it got its current name.

Bondi Beach 🚫

@PeverelPoint

Spare us the creepy AI-generated images, please. Cover is OK but beyond that the picture takes away from your words. Let them speak for themselves.
~ JBB

Vincent Berg 🚫

@PeverelPoint

I started out as an artist, and have always designed my own book covers. Now I mostly use stock art, rather than 'freeware' art, but my history is design helps with that as well. Unfortunately, both art and writing are, at least for me, a full-time process, as if you only do it occasionally, you don't develop and maintain the same skills. Thus the knowledge is there, yet I can no longer draw a straight line to save my live.

I have NEVER tried to illustrate characters, as the whole point of a cover ISN'T to actually depict a specific scene from the story, instead it's designed to get readers interested enough in the overall story conflict to PURCHASE the book, and that's always been my guide.

Besides, readers prefer replacing characters with their own characteristics. If there's a certain feature I want to focus on, then I'll continual reemphasize it, knowing the readers will reimagine them. So given that reader tendency, why bother? It's a non-productive extravagance, of only limited value.

Physical body characteristics are essential (ex: thin, fat, large and hulking or sleek and graceful), so too are small breasted, large breasted or ginormously breasted (I find those more wish-fulfillment than realistic, as most women with breasts that size often struggle with it, so they're often to be more disinclined to do other things).

In other words, focus more on body types, rather than focusing on individual features, because again, readers tend to superimpose their own preferences, yet body types determine what the characters are capable of.

Yet, on SOL, such advice is rarely listened to, as each author tends to have their own preferences/kinks too. Everyone in my body has ALWAYS been thin and athletic, and even the black women I know are also thin and athletic, mostly track stars, where they develop those secondary sexual characteristics much later than other, more sedentary girls/women.

Thus, the figure on the cover has NOTHING to do with the character in the story, and however you 'paint' the character will last a couple pages to a chapter, at most!

And, stories are painted with words, so STOP thinking in terms of movie images, picturing movie star good looks. So describe how your characters respond and act, rather than how YOU perceive them.

Replies:   Dominions Son  maracorby
Dominions Son 🚫
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@Vincent Berg

I have NEVER tried to illustrate characters, as the whole point of a cover ISN'T to actually depict a specific scene from the story, instead it's designed to get readers interested enough in the overall story conflict to PURCHASE the book, and that's always been my guide.

As a reader, that is something I've always found annoying about the covers on dead-tree books. Not necessarily annoying to not read a book, but enough that the cover will very rarely be what draws my interest. You might as well just put an abstract geometric design on the cover if that's the approach to take to cover art.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dominions Son

Mostly, for the majority of traditionally published books, the authors NEVER has ANY voice in the covers, as the publisher farms the cover, the editing, marketing and promotion out to 'experts', and thus the authors only submit plain text stories, and the publisher then either accepts it, or rejects it entirely.

Thus "dead-tree" books are a different issue, (by the way, I've always self-published my own dead-tree (i.e. paperback) novels, so I don't see the same distinctions you are.

However, I've learned enough by reviewing the mainstream publisher's own thoughts on the subject, that I follow their leads, while writing what I am interested in writing, rather than what the publishers know they can easily sell (i.e. they're unlikely to ever take chances or even try new things, because they ARE so 'traditional'!

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

As a reader, that is something I've always found annoying about the covers on dead-tree books.

Thriller? A running man, whether or not any of the characters do any running. But I like thrillers, so I look for a running man on the cover.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

Thriller? A running man,

I'm not a fan of thrillers.

But beyond that, most books stores are physically organized by genre. On-line book sellers can be searched by genre.

If the cover art isn't going to do more than give me a general impression of the genre, if it's not going to tell me anything specific to that exact story, why would one attract me more than any other. No, it wouldn't, and they might as well not bother.

Replies:   Vincent Berg
Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dominions Son

I completely agree on this point. The cover is essential, yet the main focus is in getting the readers to start reading, when they are still unsure whether they'll like it or not. Thus, once they start, the actual scene on the cover is largely immaterial. So, an overly generic image won't do anything, yet one capturing the book's main conflict, even if the image isn't precisely how that scene actually plays out, is still beneficial.

In short, in the publishing world, it's 'good enough'. As usually, the artist assigned the cover is only given the story overview and description, not the actual manuscript. So, duh, it's rarely identical to anything in the story itself.
They'll likely read the books they've been assigned, yet only after the book has been published.

Publishing is a very particular thing, with it's own quirks.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Vincent Berg

So, an overly generic image won't do anything, yet one capturing the book's main conflict, even if the image isn't precisely how that scene actually plays out, is still beneficial.

Unless the "isn't precisely how that scene actually plays out" is overused to the point that people start ignoring the cover art. Which is about where I'm at.

maracorby 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Besides, readers prefer replacing characters with their own characteristics. If there's a certain feature I want to focus on, then I'll continual reemphasize it, knowing the readers will reimagine them. So given that reader tendency, why bother? It's a non-productive extravagance, of only limited value.

This is an important point, IMO. Readers will build pictures in their minds around the details you, but they fill in the rest from their own imaginations. They'll fill in the unsaid stuff like butt-size or age or clothing style according to their own preferences or expectations. If you provide pictures, you risk taking that option away from them.

Even with cover art, my rule of thumb is to avoid giving the viewer a good look at any of my important characters. I might show them from behind, or at a distance, or heavily stylized (pencil sketch, etc.), but I don't like pin much down.

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