Tomorrow, September 30th, 2020, our log in page will change. Change is hard, but it usually leads to progress.
Why the change:
As our network of sites grow, making it easy to use a single log in is getting harder. So we’re moving the log in management from your browser to the login server. This way, whenever you change your password, your browser needs to update one password for all our sites. It’s much simpler for you.
What is going to happen:
As of tomorrow, the log in page will have a new look, and you will be asked to log in. Your SOL password should work as usual. So make sure you have your password handy as you’ll need to enter it. When you click log in anywhere on the site you’ll be taken to the new log in page:
The new system uses the same brute-force mitigation system as the one currently on SOL. So, just reload the form and resubmit. If you have any security software that sits in between your computer and the internet via proxy for forms, then you must whitelist login.wlpc.com.
"Account not found" Since my account has to be my e-mail address, and since it seems to be completely SNAFU already (I can access SOL and Finestories but not SciFiStories) I guess that's it for me.
In another thread, Laz mentioned there were some isolated issues syncing... follow up in the SF stories thread, and I'm sure Laz can fix things for you.
"Account not found" Since my account has to be my e-mail address, and since it seems to be completely SNAFU already (I can access SOL and Finestories but not SciFiStories) I guess that's it for me.
For those storing passwords in browser prefs, having two pages is a pain. You have to click in the email field, authenticate with browser to fill the field, click the next button, click in the password field, authenticate with browser AGAIN to fill the password, and click next. Double the work. Annoying.
authenticate with browser AGAIN to fill the password
That's funny. I've never seen a browser that forces you to authenticate for each screen of a log in system. Google, Outlook.com, Apple, they all use two step username/password log in system. It's done for security reasons.
I agree, its kind of a pain. I use it on my iPhone a lot and have to log in per tab and have several open at a time. And have to re-login if I am on a new wifi.
Hi Lazeez,
I use a password manager that makes it one-click easy to authenticate on a single page with username and password on the same page. Otherwise, with complex passwords I have to copy the password to local memory and paste to the pw field. With other websites running who knows what software on my computer (javascript) it would be easy to capture both the ip and pw compromising security. So from my perspective it's both easier and more secure. BTW, thanks for all you do! I don't mention it enough, how much I appreciate SOL and the effort that goes into it. DL
I use a password manager that makes it one-click easy to authenticate on a single page with username and password on the same page.
Whenever the password manager fails to save the password info, then it's usually best to start by making sure that no record for the domain is saved by deleting whatever the password manager saved (for example sometime Firefox saves the password but no email) and then start from scratch.
If that fails, then most/all password managers allow you to enter the log in info for the domain/site manually into the password manager and it will use it later properly.
for example sometime Firefox saves the password but no email
I've seen this on my Firefox install. It seems to happen most often when for some reason you get asked for the password on a different page (or a popup dialog) than your user id. Firefox seems to have the password info tied not just to the domain, but to the specific URL of the login page.
I've seen it "lose" the saved password on other sites when the login page URL changed. It happened on SOL with this change, but I re-saved the password and it works fine after.
Unfortunately, passx, when I click "Perform Auto-Type" enters the username in the first page's field but does not enter the password into the second page. If I click Auto-Type again it enters the username and the login fails. If I copy the password to memory and paste into the field login passes. Thanks Lazeez. This appears to be a quirk of the password manager I am using. It's unable to deal with two-page authentication.
And it looks like there is a bit of hanky panky with the login process that appears to be attempting to get personal information.
Huh? the main difference between the old log in page(s) and the new one is that the new one is a two step process. At no point the log in page asks for personal information. You'll have to elaborate and provide more info about your experience for me to understand the complaints.
My only reply is its probably gona replace the archaic security system sol has-- imo its waay out of date-- but at the same time we dont want a system that tracks too much
I made some changes. It seems the < input type="image"> tag has very spotty support. I switched to a styled button. Please try it and let me know if it worked.
In Firefox = even creating/saving a new password/login for the site no email shows on first screen when clicking inside the box. After manually typing in email address and RETURN then stored password shows on clicking in the field.
In Firefox = even creating/saving a new password/login for the site no email shows on first screen when clicking inside the box. After manually typing in email address and RETURN then stored password shows on clicking in the field.
I made sure that the password form submits the email too from a hidden field to avoid this. It works on Safari and Chrome, I don't know why Firefox ignores this field.
Just checked and can confirm that after logging into SOL when I then click in another tab for Finestories and Sci-Fi I get in without needing to login as long as SOL page is live.
Tomorrow, September 30th, 2020, our log in page will change.
It's September 30th and I'm still logged in from weeks ago. I thought the system would log me off today and require me to log back in. I'm logged into SOL, the Forum, and Bookapy in three browser windows.
Did the new system not go in or am supposed to do something?
It's September 30th and I'm still logged in from weeks ago. I thought the system would log me off today and require me to log back in. I'm logged into SOL, the Forum, and Bookapy in three browser windows.
Did the new system not go in or am supposed to do something?
Did you use the new log in page to log in to Bookapy? Bookapy had the new log in for a few days now.
So if you've used it on Bookapy successfully, you wouldn't notice when it switches on SOL; it should be almost seamless.
I just tried using the new log in system. I used the FireFox 'add log in' option in it's preferences to add the url, log in ID, and password.
When I go to the URL I have to manually enter my log in ID as the page does not allow FireFox to automatically fill the field or complete filling the field if I start to enter. Once I manually enter the ID and click to go to the next page the code will allow FireFox to auto fill the box.
I suspect something in the page code is disabling the FireFix autofill function on the ID page.
looking at the page source code I suspect the issue may be the ID page has an initial value of Submit email and them a field value with nothing in it followed by parameters. Maybe one of these values is locking out the FireFox auto fill capability.
You're into a part of coding I never really got to work in, so I'm kind of stumbling around in the dark. However, when I looked at the source code for the Login ID page I did think it odd you had a line of code setting the initial value at Submit Emailbefore you gathered in the value to be entered. Thus I wonder if having a default value in there is what is stopping the autofill from working because the field has an entry in it.
You're into a part of coding I never really got to work in, so I'm kind of stumbling around in the dark. However, when I looked at the source code for the Login ID page I did think it odd you had a line of code setting the initial value at Submit Email before you gathered in the value to be entered. Thus I wonder if having a default value in there is what is stopping the autofill from working because the field has an entry in it.
That hidden field is for the server side of things. When I was using < input type="image" name="cmd" value="Submit Email" > to submit the form, Firefox and chrome didn't send this 'value' with the form, so it was broken if you remember on the first test. I fixed it by having this hidden input with the cmd and its value.
Hidden values shouldn't interfere in a form. All log in forms have various hidden values, like that long encrypted < input type="hidden" name="v" value="">.
The password form has an invisible email address field and Firefox sees it and submits it, so it's not that Firefox is not keeping track of two forms. The first form takes the email address, verifies that it exists and embeds it in the password form so that the browser sees a combo. Now why Firefox is different than Safari, Chrome, IE/Edge, I have no idea yet.
That's all interesting to know. However, what got my attention was the order the 2 lines of code are in. The code for the capture of the password has the lines:
< input type = "password" name = "password" id = "password" size = "25" >
< input type = "hidden" name = "cmd" value = "Submit Password" >
with the code for the data entry before the code for the submission, while the ID code is in the reverse order.
< input type = "hidden" name = "cmd" value = "Submit Email" >
< input type = "email" name = "email" value ="" id = "email" size = "25" maxlength = "64" autocorrect = "off" autocapitalize = "off" spellcheck = "false" required >
and I wondered how this might affect the way the page is processed by the browser.
have you pushed the change out to the servers as I'm not seeing any changed code at this end yet? Cleared cookies and all data, but still showing the same code.Will continue to check.
have you pushed the change out to the servers as I'm not seeing any changed code at this end yet? Cleared cookies and all data, but still showing the same code.Will continue to check.
I pushed some more changes. The change was in the password form.
I just tested it with Firefox 81 again. Brand new log in. Firefox saved the log in properly.
yes, i am able to login now.
my only remaining issue is that safari and chrome are no longer to use stored login/pw like on the old system.
can you fix that?
my only remaining issue is that safari and chrome are no longer to use stored login/pw like on the old system.
On Firefox, I had to save the password again, but it worked after that. Probably because the URL for the password entry page is different than the old log in.
my only remaining issue is that safari and chrome are no longer to use stored login/pw like on the old system.
can you fix that?
I don't know how to fix it if I can't replicate it. I tested with Safari (my development browser), Chrome, Firefox (gave me a bit of trouble, but now works), Safari on iOS, Chrome and Firefox and it worked.
You may have to delete the log in info in Safari or Chrome first, but when you try it with a blank record (nothing saved for the domain), then it should work.
Lazeez,
i tried all your suggestions, but none gave the desired result
when i go to the previous login page, the username and password would be there courtesy of chrome.
on the new login page, i need to manually fill the email address, and then on the password prompt the password is autofilled.
is that what you mean?
i would like the username also autofilled. is that happening for you?
i tested chrome and firefox. chrome requires i type the full email address, firefox requires a minimum of 1 char typed before showing a selection box.
It doesn´t work at all for me, I brought up safari on macos and when I enter my email address I always get an 'account not found message'. Both on anaosol and storiesonline
You must be using the wrong email address. To know which email address to use, go to the 'My Account', it lists which email address was used for log in.
Works for me (iMac 2015, Mojave, with Safari 14 or Firefox 81; iPad Air2 with iOS14, Safari). Safari and FF memorise the two-step authentification without problems. I like it that there is a single login site for SOL, FS and the others.
Then again, I rarely log out, so I won't notice the new login much.
I can get in by manually entering Email and password, but my iPad's stored password can't. Since I'm now in, I will be patient and try the auto password thing again later.
Its working on Google Chrome. I didn't even have to relogin so am leaving it as it is.
However on The NEW EDGE browser, it says
This page isn't working at the moment storiesonline.net redirected you too many times.
ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS
Just checked how it worked on Chrome and the code as is works on Chromium. Still got the same issue with FireFox but the view page source code shows no change to the Log On ID page yet.
I don't use the Private Windows. However, I found a setting change that allows the system to autofill my logon ID. After finally going to bed after 2 a.m. this morning I got up at 8:30 a.m. and started looking at what happens if I change any of my security settings in FF. No changes to cookies had any effect, nor changes to pop-ups, but went to Preferences - Privacy and Security - then in the History section put a tick beside Remember search and form history the system remembered the Log On ID. I don't like the system remembering the forms info, but this works.
Now to try and log on with my son's account and see if that makes a difference.
Edit to add: I've had that box unticked for years and FF has saved the log on ID information. But, for some reason, that box needs to be ticked to have it save the information and display it the next time.
I use Internet Explorer for SOL exclusively. Yes, it asks for your email address but all I have to do is insert the first letter and the program does everything else.
It is simply another form of security - for technical reasons I must have about 9 addresses in different countries so getting the right letter …….
How can you stay logged in. It seems like you get kicked out after a time of inactivity. Bit of a pain if you stop reading to do something on the HoneyDo list and come back to find a log in is required.
How can you stay logged in. It seems like you get kicked out after a time of inactivity.
You're supposed to stay logged in. I made some changes. Let me know if they helped. Although some browser settings can affect this.If your browser is set to expire cookies after a certain time for example, you would get logged out.
I still cannot log in from Microsoft Edge. It tells me that the account is not found. Whereas, Google Chrome is Logged in. I haven't tried to Relogin in Chrome since I don't want to missout on reading my stories.
Please see what can be done about access through Microsoft Edge.
My only concern was that when I entered the security code from my e-mail, it kept asking me to enter it again. Luckily for me, I tried the password again and remembered it correctly this time.
What about anoonsol.net. Will that still be anonymous?
Nothing changes about that.
Vincent Berg🚫10/1/2020, 6:36:37 AM Updated: 10/1/2020, 6:38:34 AM
I had a mini issue, I could log in, but it didn't recognize any my Bookapy books as mine, meaning I can't update them or check my sales. Lazeez is working on it, he restores my "Vincent Berg" pseudonym, but I only have one book on Bookapy with that name, so (hopefully) he's restore my two alternate pseudonyms.
For everyone else, Lazeez responds quickly as does excellent work. Just let him know (here, if you're utterly unable to log-in) and give him a bit of time as he identifies and works out the kinds.
Also, try resetting your site cookies and clearing your cache (Google it if your unfamiliar with the procedure). It seems like many of the complaints are likely due to older default settings or an outdated cache.
Lazeez is working on it, he restores my "Vincent Berg" pseudonym, but I only have one book on Bookapy with that name, so (hopefully) he's restore my two alternate pseudonyms.
Vincent Berg pen name shows 14 books!
Also, how about you answer my private message to fix the rest.
irvmull 🚫10/1/2020, 8:52:47 AM Updated: 10/1/2020, 9:23:50 AM
Problem:
I can log in with my Premier account, no problem. Screen shows account details and list of SOL, Finestories, Clit... etc. I can get to those places by clicking on the "buttons". That's how I got here.
For a new account I set up for this test on 9/20, using a different email address, I get to the account details screen no problem. I am, apparently, logged in, since there is a "log out" link at top right. But there are no SOL, Finestories, or any other buttons, logos, etc. on that page. Therefore, no way to visit SOL or any of the others.
IOW, the only thing below the REGISTERED: line is the copyright line.
New signups will never get to read any stories.
Comparing the source for the two, the working signup has several ahref items of class=siButt. Those are all missing from the non-working login.
(Firefox 68.0.1 Linux)
I am, apparently, logged in, since there is a "log out" link at top right. But there are no SOL, Finestories, or any other buttons, logos, etc. on that page. Therefore, no way to visit SOL or any of the others.
The log in system can't just show all the sites. Remember, a minor that signs up on Finestories, shouldn't be offered links to SoL.
To use that sign up with SOL, go to sol and click 'Log in' and you'll see what happens.
Nobody will ever sign up for SOL or any other site by first going to the log in page, they'll go through one of the sites. The login request will create a link record in the database that you have an account on SOL for example and then the button on the login page will show up.
Nobody will ever sign up for SOL or any other site by first going to the log in page, they'll go through one of the sites. The login request will create a link record in the database that you have an account on SOL for example and then the button on the login page will show up.
very concerning, after relogging in I recieved a email verification of email address when I clicked on it to verify I was stopped and it was pointed out to be heading to worldsunnimuslim.net
edit. sorry it does not specifically mention sol its arrival was too close to my login i thought it was for the same thing apologies
Have successfully logged in to Finestories and SciFistories. But when I tried to access my SciFistories library or following lists they were empty. I have tested the library by saving one story to it and it worked fine so it does not appear that my access has been suspended. What can I do to retrieve the rest, or will I have to re-enter them all individually?
I've used LastPass for years now. As soon as the new page popped up, I looked up my password, added a new record the new URL, and I'm back to auto-login, don't even notice the 'new' page anymore.
I t did not like my password so I had to change it. Theen, the next day it did not like the new one, and the next day...and I hope you get the message.
It did not like my password so I had to change it. Theen, the next day it did not like the new one, and the next day...and I hope you get the message.
Were you entering your password manually? or through a password manager? if with a password manager did your password manager ever prompt you to save the new passwords?
Minor annoyance but still annoyance: I access SOL almost exclusively via Android.
Since the log-in update the view keeps changing to "Desktop", even though the relevant box in my browser is not ticked - I tap "mobile view", tap on a link - and am back in Desktop view.
Minor annoyance but still annoyance: I access SOL almost exclusively via Android.
Since the log-in update the view keeps changing to "Desktop", even though the relevant box in my browser is not ticked - I tap "mobile view", tap on a link - and am back in Desktop view.
The whole of the new log in system doesn't do anything desktop/mobile-wise view thing at any point in the process. It doesn't even check, at all.
I suppose I can live with tapping "Mobile" once in every session...
When you tap the icon the option to override desktop mode on a desktop browser is saved in a cookie. if that cookie is deleted, then the browser reverts to the default.
Did you try setting it as a preference in your account?
Go to the 'My Account' page, scroll down to 'Listings', click on 'Change' next to it, then in the 'Preferences for Listings Pages' panel, at the bottom there is a drop down menu for 'Screen Layout:' Instead of 'Automatic screen size detection' select 'Mobile View' and click save changes.
On an iPad Air, using Chrome: After i get to the sign in page via anonsol, the form is pretty blank. There is no box for the email address. When i press a spot below "Enter email address" a box flashes but disappears. Not until I press a character does the box appear. Then it acts as one would expect.
Since my login seems to time out often, re-entering the email address and password several times a day is a bit of a pain.
Even for me browsers are behaving unreliable. Sometime they work as they should sometime not! The funny/frustrating thing is they're just old/traditional html code, nothing fancy and no scripting or bullshit.
I changed the form to Email AND Password in one step. I tested with Firefox and Chrome and they behave as expected.
Hi Lazeez, I find that I now have to manually enter my e-mail then copy and paste my password to authenticate. Is it possible to just use the original php code (login.php) from SOL? Thanks, DL.
Is it possible to just use the original php code (login.php) from SOL?
The current html code that the browser deals with (email AND password form) is virtually the same as the old form.
Now, when logging into a site, you'll get a single form with email address field and password field. Just like before.
If your browser is mishandling it, then you should delete the saved login in your browser and start from scratch so that it saves both at the same time and in the future fills them up at the same time.
I don't know what has been changed in the background. One hour ago I had to type in my email in the first box. Just come back, clicked in the email box and hey presto, email entered and then password without anu typing.
For those who enter email and password manually it would be nice if the "forgot password?" was moved below the password box. That way it is only one tab from email to password instead of two.
For those who enter email and password manually it would be nice if the "forgot password?" was moved below the password box. That way it is only one tab from email to password instead of two.
Done, although, that's a browser feature that does it the wrong way. The browser should prioritize form fields when hitting the tab key and after that maybe other items on the page.
Since I created this new form I've been massacring my design for ancient browsers. Like an original iPad from 10 years ago, or a similarly old kindle that can't apply a drop shadow a form field and doesn't run the script to put the cursor in the field, so the email field and the password field are invisible. Oh well...
Done, although, that's a browser feature that does it the wrong way. The browser should prioritize form fields when hitting the tab key and after that maybe other items on the page.
Thanks. I noticed the same on other sites too but since I rarely use anything else than Firefox I wouldn't notice the difference with other browsers.
Since I created this new form I've been massacring my design for ancient browsers. Like an original iPad from 10 years ago, or a similarly old kindle that can't apply a drop shadow a form field and doesn't run the script to put the cursor in the field, so the email field and the password field are invisible. Oh well...
I can almost feel your pain :)
I do very little webdesign/programming and only since a year or three so I don't encounter the same problems. The ReaderInfo site is designed and build as mobile first so I have very few problems with different screen sizes and it doesn't use shadows. I test on two versions of FireFox, two versions of Chromium, and a very old Android tablet, that's it. I couldn't test anything else anyway since I don't have anything Apple or Windows, not even a smart phone.
I'm still waiting for my Librem5 and it will be interesting to see how sites display with FireFox on a full Linux distribution on a phone :D
Are you sure that isn't a setting on your ipad concerning cookies or the like as I don't have that issue with my tablet and my son doesn't have the issue on his i(diot)Phone
