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Permanent link to discussion forum on the home page

Joe_Bondi_Beach

I almost always start with the home page, so I'd like to see a permanent link to the discussion forum on the home page somewhere (the announcement link has already disappeared).

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Joe_Bondi_Beach

Click on 'Forum' in the navigation bar on top on almost every page

Joe_Bondi_Beach

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Oops. Right. Thanks.

Gauthier

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

The navigation bar link in the mobile version still goes to the old forum. (home->Top Lists & More->External Links->Discussion Board)
I do not see a link to the new forum in the mobile menu.

Ernest Bywater

@Gauthier

you may want to try a hard reset / refresh of the page and scripts to clear out the old code and replace it with the new. On a PC CTLR+F5 should do this, not sure about a mobile device.

Replies:   Gauthier
Gauthier
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@Ernest Bywater


of the page and scripts to clear out the old code and replace it with the new. On a PC


It's a real problem, not a cache one.

Just emulate a mobile device on your pc, you will see for yourself:

- Click on the phone icon on the left of "My Account in the navigation bar.

- For complete emulation open the dev tools ctrl+shift+i) and there for firefox you can click on the "Responsive Design Mode" icon and for Chrome press ctrl+shift+m (toggle Mobile Mode)

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Gauthier

On my screen I don't have a 'phone' icon at all, and beside the 'My Account' link is an odd box with the code 01F4E1 in it . The forum link on my tablet works perfectly, but that looks the same as on my PC. Yes, I got talked into getting and using a 7 inch tablet for reading SOL, and others, in the bath etc. The 7 inch screen handles the regular looking SOL page OK. If there is another setting for a different look, I don't know about it. Since I can't see the icon you refer to, I bow out of this because I can't emulate what you mention.

Replies:   Gauthier
Gauthier
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@Ernest Bywater


odd box with the code 01F4E1 in it .


The odd box should be clickable.

The real content of your box is

U+1F4F1 📱 f0 9f 93 b1 MOBILE PHONE

This has been standard since 2010, all normal system support it.

Your problem there is that you are using an outdated incomplete font package.

Either your Linux distribution is managed by incompetent geeks who do not care about desktop users or you did not upgrade your Linux in a long time.

Are you sill running Zorin? Which version?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Gauthier

Yep, overlooked that one.

Fixed.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Yep, overlooked that one.

Fixed.

I love happy endings! 'D

Ernest Bywater

@Gauthier

Thanks for the info, Gauthier, I'm using Zorin 9 at the moment due to having to use an older system. However, I have the system and browser set to use a custom font (Palatino Linotype) that I downloaded a long time back. It's hard to get today without paying a lot for it, so I just add the font package I have and use it because I find Palatino Linotype a damn sight easier to read than most of the others and it's also a very good print font, thus I can stick to the one font in everything I do. Knowing how old the font package is it may not have some more recent oddities in it.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

However, I have the system and browser set to use a custom font (Palatino Linotype) that I downloaded a long time back.

I prefer Palatino Linotype for my print books, as the serifs makes rapid reading easier. However, it's a default font for M$ PC systems, so I'm surprised that it's so expensive. It may be your purchased font is so old, it doesn't contain newer adaptations (are there any newer font standards?)

If you want, you could send your books to me and I'll create the pdf books for you by embedding the font.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater
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@Crumbly Writer

Thanks for the offer, CW, but I got the font set free some years ago and now they charge for it. However, it has all the basic fonts needed for printing and normal characters, but is missing some of the new special items - stuff I don't use.

Oh, I don't know for sure, but one post I saw about the font was they charge for it now because ownership changed and the new owner doesn't like having free copies out there.

paliden
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@ebywater

This may address your concerns/desires -

On this webpage

https://mondaybynoon.com/linux-font-equivalents-to-popular-web-typefaces/

Look at this section:

Linux equivalents to common Windows and OS X Fonts

Replies:   Gauthier
Gauthier

@paliden

Linux equivalents to common Windows and OS X Fonts


Won't help, the package in question is based on the Word 1997 viewer.
The additional characters were introduced in 2010.

I'm not sure they were ever included in Palatino, the last Palatino version I've seen v5.02 still doesn't have it.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Gauthier

Won't help, the package in question is based on the Word 1997 viewer.
The additional characters were introduced in 2010.

I'm confused, is the FREE version included in every PC the same as the pay version, or did they upgrade and offer more (or more polished) features?

Replies:   JohnBobMead
JohnBobMead

@Crumbly Writer

I'm confused, is the FREE version included in every PC the same as the pay version, or did they upgrade and offer more (or more polished) features?


From what Gauthier has been saying, he's running some version of Linux, and it doesn't come with a post-2010 version of Palatino. He's also not sure that Palatino has actually been upgraded to include the special characters adopted in 2010, so even going for a pay version of the font may not do it for him. Sounds to me like the font has been abandoned by its developers.
My understanding is that some font developers let the OS developers include a subset of the font in the OS included fonts, but you have to purchase the font if you want the complete set of characters; basic character set "free" with OS, complete special characters costs extra. This way people can find out if they like the way a given font works before investing additional funds. I may be wrong about this, but it strikes me as a reasonable marketing method.

Crumbly Writer

@JohnBobMead

My understanding is that some font developers let the OS developers include a subset of the font in the OS included fonts, but you have to purchase the font if you want the complete set of characters; basic character set "free" with OS, complete special characters costs extra. This way people can find out if they like the way a given font works before investing additional funds. I may be wrong about this, but it strikes me as a reasonable marketing method.

I've been searching regularly for useful designer fonts online, at sites like dafont.com, and that's the standard business model. They offer capital fonts for free, and if you want the rest of the font, you pay for the Professional set.

Unfortunately, there are few standards on what's offered. Often the Pro version offers nothing additional, often the caps appear better than the lower case fonts, and it seems that only European font designers include accent marks (including colons, apostrophes and other things used in titles).

The other thing they don't agree on is a fee structure. A few designers have a 8 or 10 tier pricing structure, or simply tell you to "ask me". I asked one who had an 8 tier pricing structure, and the price he quoted me had no bearing to his pricing schedule (i.e. it was apparent he simply made up a figure based on what he thought he could get).

The fact that Gauthier was saying he had a reduced version of Palatino is why I offered to include the font in pdf documents for him. That way, he could utilize the more modern font, with only a few characters substitutions.

Ernest Bywater

@JohnBobMead

The Palatino Linotype font I use may not have all the modern characters, but I've not found it to be shy of what I want in writing stories. It may be old, but it has all the letters and numbers and special word characters with accents etc. It just seems to be missing a few more modern special image type characters which I don't use or normally see being used.

The only character used on the SOL site I don't see is that odd one for switching to the mobile view. When the forum first started I didn't see two of the characters that show at the bottom of the posts I made, but Lazeez made a change after I mentioned it and I now see them all - don't know what change he made, but it works. Also, it's rare for me to not see a character on other sites and I always see what's in the text, so I'm not worried about it.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

I've always liked the Palatino font. The serif is particularly distinctive, and research shows that serif fonts increase reading speeds, and for stories as long as mine are, I want to make them as easy as possible to read!

For searching the internet, I'd think the serif font would mostly annoy me, though. It's got a definite advantage, but I wouldn't want to use it all the time.

By the way, I'm always changing the font on my iPhone, and I'm always looking for interesting and readable ones.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

I found the Palatino Linotype so easy to read I have the font installed on my computer and tablet and set as the default font for everything. Thus I see it on emails, web pages (except where I don't override the site with my setting), word processor etc.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

I found the Palatino Linotype so easy to read I have the font installed on my computer and tablet and set as the default font for everything. Thus I see it on emails, web pages (except where I don't override the site with my setting), word processor etc.

The thought among font experts is that it helps with lengthy books as it reduces eye strain and you can figure out what a word is by the shape of the word, boosting reading speed and comprehension. But those don't really help with short messages, which you read fast enough anyway, and the serifs can get annoying.

Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

The main reason I find it easy to read is because each character has a nice amount of white space around it and they don't run into each other, the way some fonts do. If it's easy to read, it's easy to read, it doesn't become harder to read if in a short piece, that's just a case of saying "I can't be bothered to change it for a short piece." Well, I make a simple system wide change for all pieces to save time in changing it for the long pieces.

Gauthier

@Crumbly Writer

The thought among font experts is that it helps with lengthy books as it reduces eye strain


Google chose Roboto for that purpose. It has become the standard in android:
roboto on Github no serifs.
For reading it's one of my favorite along with Verdana.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)
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@Crumbly Writer

Actually, serif vs sans-serif for long text is a matter of habit. In Europe most books are typeset in a sans-serif font. In north america the convention is serif for long text.

Your brain gets wired for efficiency by practice. If you're used to serif, then that's what you'll prefer, if you're used to sans-serif, then again you'll prefer that.

Another factor is the font size used. For books typeset at small size, a sans-serif font is preferred as at small sizes, the serifs crowd the page, while sans-serif is cleaner.

That's why I set the story listings on the site in sans-serif (smaller size) and the story text in serif as the default.

Ernest Bywater

@Gauthier

I just compared the two and a lot of the character of Robot look a lot like Palatino Linotype, but the Roboto squeezes them a little closer together. I did two lines the same but in the two fonts, and the Roboto took up about 2.5 less character spaces across the page for a 6 inch book. Also, I couldn't see any special characters beyond normal text characters in the display for the Roboto font on a page I found displaying them all.

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