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Feature request: Timer for Story Rating

chibihentai

I've noticed there are some codes whose stories are almost always rated lower than the quality of writing would suggest, indicating to me that there are readers who may not be actually reading, just downvoting based on code. This may or may not be true, but I wonder if this might work:

Put a timer on the rating, so the page has to be open at least some amount of time (like two minutes or so). Someone who actually reads it won't notice, since it takes time to read a chapter or story. The ability to rate would be greyed out until the timer elapses.

Or, allow rating with a hidden timer. If the timer hasn't elapsed, the vote only counts 1/4 of a regular vote.

ustourist

@chibihentai

I can see one major problem with that suggestion.
I frequently download and subsequently read when offline, and possibly go back solely to vote on the story. Since I have already made my decision on a score, the page would only be open for a few seconds while I enter that.
I assume the system records that I have previously visited that particular story for a reasonable time, but it may still require some adjustment to pick that fact up days or sometimes weeks later when I finally complete reading it.
It may be more realistic to identify those who give a 1 (or a 10) to the majority of stories and just discount their vote as trolling.
I think the present system of discounting the high and low percentage probably removes a lot of that bias though.
There may also be lower scores solely because that subject doesn't give as good a feeling to the reader and they react accordingly. Using codes can help select what you want to read, but I would also read some authors regardless of codes since I tend to like their style. M/M does nothing for me at all, but it is an integral - albeit minor - part of Lazlo's Carter Clan stories and didn't result in my viewing the story as of lesser score value, whereas it may with other readers.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Ernest Bywater

@chibihentai

I've noticed there are some codes whose stories are almost always rated lower than the quality of writing would suggest


The scores generally represent the appeal of the story, and that often has very little relationship to the quality of the story writing. I know a lady who is a great writer, but can't develop a good story if her life depended on it. When I first met her she was very depressed about how poor response and reviews etc. She doesn't write fiction now, but does very well writing interesting semi-fictionalised accounts of real life historical events. With the story plot and development already done for her she could fill in the blanks.

Crumbly Writer

@ustourist

It may be more realistic to identify those who give a 1 (or a 10) to the majority of stories and just discount their vote as trolling.

That too could be problematic, as I doubt there are many real trolls who only vote 1s (there are plenty on Amazon, however). Instead, I suspect you have readers who vote stories honestly, except for certain types (MM, liberal stories, those that poke fun at a particular occupation like the military or police). You'd never be able to filter those types of 1-bombs.

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ustourist

@Crumbly Writer

Instead, I suspect you have readers who vote stories honestly

I know it would (sometimes) be helpful to others to give a really low score to a story, but I would think most people give up on those stories well before the end and don't vote, so I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the 1 and 2 scores are trolling. After all, the majority of readers don't apparently vote if the number of downloads and the number of votes is compared (ignoring serials), even after allowing for those like me who often read it later.
That said, I have also seen some stories with high scores that are very badly written, and would guess they are up-voted because of content, not quality, because they often tend to be in the same genre - which is no longer permitted here.
Stories that rate either the 1 or 10 are surely few and far between.
I agree with your comments about Amazon though. both high and low score trolling seem to be so prevalent that the scores and comments are virtually worthless as a guide to quality.

You can't filter the 1 bombs, but it is possible to filter the trolls who consistently do it.

Switch Blayde

@chibihentai

Put a timer on the rating, so the page has to be open at least some amount of time (like two minutes or so). Someone who actually reads it won't notice,


What happens if someone starts a story they hate and wants to score it without finishing it? They'd jump to the last page to vote and would be on that page only as long as it took to complete the scoring process.

Replies:   ustourist  Capt Zapp
ustourist

@Switch Blayde

They'd jump to the last page to vote and would be on that page only as long as it took to complete the scoring process.

I agree. In that situation being on the page for only a few seconds would be wholly justified and it would be totally variable as to how many pages or chapters the reader had tried before giving up for whatever reason.
On the whole I find the current system is in line with what I would consider good or bad, so either the problem is small or the discounting system is working to remove most of the troll bias.

PS: I don't think this thread breaches the request to not discuss the scoring system, but would like to put the reminder there just in case the thread drifts.

Capt Zapp

@Switch Blayde

What happens if someone starts a story they hate and wants to score it without finishing it?


If I start a story and don't like it, I just stop reading it. I may jump to the end and vote, but even if I hate the story, I will not give it a one. I give the author credit for attempting to provide something entertaining. It wold be different if there had been some cost involved, other than my time.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Capt Zapp

I may jump to the end and vote, but even if I hate the story, I will not give it a one.


In that situation, the recommendation wouldn't allow any score, not just a 1.

richardshagrin
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Perhaps the authors prefer a restriction that limits ones and other low numbers but accepts tens and other high numbers.

One item to consider, before going to extreme coding measures is that all story scores are adjusted so the mean (aka "average") score is a six, and other stories that score higher or lower than that story are distributed so the scores do not change the order in which they are presented.

Scores close to the mean wind up closer to 6 than the raw score and so that to get a ten, or a one, all votes would need to be that value. To get a 9 point something almost all scores need to be a ten (leaving out the outlier scores that are ignored).

The closer to the mean (6) the raw score is, the closer the final score is. Stories whose raw score is in the 7 or 8 range gets scores closer to 6. Ones in the 3 or 4 raw score also get adjusted closer to six.

I don't know if the distribution approaches a bell curve, so that if the standard deviation were one, two thirds of all scores would be between 5 and 7, and the one sixth of all scores over 7 would be closer to 7 than 8. Only the scores with the very highest raw scores would be in the eights or nines. Or the lowest raw scores be between three and four.

Banning ones may adjust a raw score, but the adjusted score will still be low if that is how the readers scored the story, with 2, 3, 4, 5s and maybe a few higher scores that didn't get discarded in the outlying 10%, I doubt it makes much difference to an author if the story scores 2.5 (raw score) or 4.7 adjusted score. It seems to irk some authors that their raw score 8. something gets reported in the sixes or sevens. It just means other stories got higher raw scores, and the adjustment to keep the stories in raw score order (but to avoid almost all the stories having scores over 8, to confuse the reading public) changed the reported score.

Scores are for readers, not authors. Authors should look at downloads, or perhaps how scores change between chapters to see how votes get adjusted depending on what was in the chapter. Management is using a procedure worked out over time, with many inputs from various interest groups. Lazeez may be willing to fine tune something that really bothers you and doesn't affect too many other interests, but he only has 24 hours a day, except when daylight savings changes the number of hours in a day. Sometimes to 23 and sometimes to 25. There may be other things he needs or wants to do. Perhaps even read a story or two. I am pretty sure running this site has stolen time he might have used to write stories.

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