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Delayed Update of the Home (Stream) page

Vlad_Inhaler

This is something which I have been noticing for quite a while now and it only affects the home page.
An example:
- I see now that a new chapter was posted at 17:16
- When I refreshed the home page at 17:21, that chapter was not shown.
- When I refreshed the home page at 17:49, it was shown "greyed out" because it had been posted before the 17:21 refresh.

The New Stories / Updates pages behave differently, stories / chapters are shown there even if the timestamps say they have only been up for a few seconds. If anything stories are not greyed-out when they should be, not a big deal.

(is the greying-out of stories which have already been displayed a Premiership feature? I seem to remember it is).

REP

@Vlad_Inhaler

is the greying-out of stories which have already been displayed a Premiership feature? I seem to remember it is


In the Forum, I can see the posts that have been displayed grayed-out. I do not see that in New Stories or Updates.

Could what you see be the result of a preference setting or a feature of your theme selection?

REP
Updated:

@Vlad_Inhaler


- I see now that a new chapter was posted at 17:16

- When I refreshed the home page at 17:21, that chapter was not shown.


The posting time listed for the chapter is probably the time the administrators processed the chapter for posting. I don't know if the time represents the start or end of the processing period. Once the administrators submit the chapter for posting, the story/chapter sits in a holding bin for a period of time before it is displayed by the New Stories/Updates listing.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@REP

To your first reply: May I assume you do not have Premier membership? As I inferred, I do.

To your second reply: As I said, new chapters (and presumably new stories) appear under New Stories / Updates immediately. I can see that from the timestamps. They appear on the Home page several minutes later, again according to the timestamps. The greying out compounds the problem.
If I forget to look at the most recent greyed-out entries, I don't notice new chapters until I look at the Updated Chapters page.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  REP
awnlee jawking

@Vlad_Inhaler

I wonder whether it's something to do with caching. I've noticed instances where new stories/chapters appear on the Home Page before the New/Updates pages, and before they appear on the authors' pages.

I don't understand about the timestamps - to me, the new stories and updates seem to have the same timestamps irrespective of which page they appear on and when.

AJ

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
REP
Updated:

@Vlad_Inhaler

Yes I do have a Premier Membership.

I rarely look at the Home Page listing of new posts so I've never noticed the graying-out of previously displayed posts.

My first post was in regard to the portion of your post where you were referring to the New Stories and Updates pages and said:

The New Stories / Updates pages behave differently, stories / chapters are shown there even if the timestamps say they have only been up for a few seconds. If anything stories are not greyed-out when they should be, not a big deal.


Have you ever seen the stories listed on those pages grayed-out. I haven't.

The following isn't clear to me.

This is something which I have been noticing for quite a while now and it only affects the home page.

An example:

- I see now that a new chapter was posted at 17:16

- When I refreshed the home page at 17:21, that chapter was not shown.

- When I refreshed the home page at 17:49, it was shown "greyed out" because it had been posted before the 17:21 refresh.


Your OP was made at ‎4‎/‎1‎/‎2018‎ ‎9‎:‎03‎:‎04‎, so I conclude that your statement "I see now that a new chapter was posted at 17:16" was based on what you saw and means you are referring to a post made at 3/31/2018 5:16 PM (17:16) since the 3/30/2018 posts are long gone. The problem with my conclusion is, there is no 3/31/2018 5:16 PM (17:16) post on the Home page.

ETA: I have to conclude that in your example the times were not actual times but made up to illustrate what you recall seeing.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@awnlee jawking

Timestamps:
Each page (Home, New Stories, Updates) has its own timestamp, the three named have them somewhere top left and the Forum top page has it top right.
Each story / chapter also comes with the timestamp it was posted.
Occasionally I'll click on "Updated Stories" and - comparing timestamps - see that the newest chapter there was posted seconds earlier.
Today I was on the home page and around 30 minutes later (I checked the timestamp and the most recent entry) clicked either Home or Refresh. It turned out that an entry I had not seen before was there with a timestamp 5 minutes before my most recent click, and that it was greyed out as though I had seen it.

I have observed that last symptom repeatedly, new (to me) chapters greyed out as though I had seen them already. This even happens with chapters I was expecting and waiting for so I am quite sure they were not there before.

If there is caching involved then it will be something at the server end of things, the timestamps match my local displayed time to the second.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Vlad_Inhaler

@REP

All times are local and we are on different timezones.

Replies:   REP
REP

@Vlad_Inhaler

All times are local and we are on different timezones.


It is my understanding that all of the timestamps on the Home page are SOL's local time.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@REP

nope.

Capt. Zapp

@Vlad_Inhaler

I've had this happen as well. When I refresh the feed page, some items which were not there before the refresh show as 'already seen' by being 'grayed out' afterwards.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@Capt. Zapp

It was only today that I started taking account of the displayed timestamps and saw that one such story really had been available earlier, it had simply not been displayed.

awnlee jawking

@Vlad_Inhaler

Thanks.

It looks as though you're not the only one to notice the mysterious greying-out, although I have to admit I hadn't.

AJ

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

It looks as though you're not the only one to notice the mysterious greying-out, although I have to admit I hadn't.


Depending on the settings you have for the forums and most of the website where the scripts run when you've viewed the information on a page the next time you refresh that page it shows the new stuff with a white background and the stuff previously shown as mid-gray. I see it all the time and the gray indicates it's been viewed by me before.

As to his comment on the time stamps, well, that can be a case of the different scripts running at different times for the updating of the different databases.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Vlad_Inhaler

The home page (and stream) is the heaviest hit page on the site, so I employ caching to relieve the pressure on the processors. If you hit the page between refreshes, then it might cause what you've described.

The New stories page, and the updates page are not cached for premier members and yes the stories displayed previously should be greyed out for premier members. However, if you're not seeing any stories greyed out, that means you missed a story or more, and you should keep going back in those pages until you see one story greyed out or your reach the last page, after that the greying should work as expected.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Interesting - since the greying-out is individual and depends on when the client was last on that page, I assumed it was not cached.
That must mean the caching is further down the chain and the greying-out calculation is done based on when the user was last on the page and when that particular item (story, chapter, blog-entry) was updated rather than what the cached values were at the time of the previous access.

Ernest Bywater

Vlad, I suspect it relates to the page status information the session cookie you have. But I may be wrong.

Replies:   Vlad_Inhaler
Vlad_Inhaler

@Ernest Bywater

The chances are that you are right - that is where the timestamp information is stored.

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