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StaticBat83

There is a story I'm planning on working on just wondered what your opinion would be. There is a set of twins. They don't get along the best but they do seem to care about one another. Then one day sister 1 is sent to stay with relatives during the summer. When she comes back sister 2 is ticked off to find that her sister is no longer identical to her, sister 1 now has much bigger boobs. Sister 2 believing sister 1 did this so she could get even more of their father's attention by getting either implants or using vitamins to get bigger, sister 2 sets up a plan to get even and to put her sister on their dad's bad side. Sister 2 pretends to be happy with the sister and sets her on dates with different stars from the football team. Then one day sister 2 says that one of the players is kind of shy and would love to go all the way with sister 1, but only if she uses a blindfold and he will disguise his voice. Sister 1 agrees. But it turns out that the brother of the twins has had a crush on sister 1 for a long time and sister 2 knew about it and arranged it so the brother made love to sister 1. The brother ends up getting the sister pregnant. And we find out that the condition sister 2 gave the brother to be able to have sex with sister 1 was to have sex with her too but with protection, and to set it up for some of the football team to also have sex with sister 2 as well.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach

@StaticBat83

and to set it up for some of the football team to also have sex with sister 2 as well.


I was with you up to this point, sort of, but I think all the characters or at least the football players need jerseys with numbers on them ...

It's been done before, and (this won't be news) the key will be to engage the reader to care about the sisters, their lovers, their dad (what happened to him, anyway?), the brother and all 22 members of the offensive and defensive squads.

Go for it, and good luck!

bb

richardshagrin

Its been a long time since there were only 22 players on a football team. There are kicking specialists, special team players who play when the ball is going to be punted to or by their team. Centers who snap the ball longer distances. Extra receivers, extra linemen, extra defensive players for different formations. Its not just football, its a strategy game. Pro teams have 35 players and a 5 person practice squad. College teams can have 70 or more players. Some college teams have so many players some of them wear the same number.

Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

Extra receivers, extra linemen, extra defensive players for different formations.


Extras of pretty much every position except possibly the special teams. Player's get hurt, they get tired.

Its not just football, its a strategy game.


Most any form of competition between two or more people involves at least some element of strategy.

Bondi Beach

@richardshagrin

Some college teams have so many players some of them wear the same number.


What, surely someone has figured out how to get three digits on the back of a jersey? A 999-person squad? Why not? As for the proposed story, I think a character list will be in order.

Kind of in line with the winning strategy my father outlined when we were little: give each team member a football and have them all run like hell for the opposing team's end zone. Boom---66 points at a shot.

(Hell, it seemed like a pretty good idea when we were in third grade.)

bb

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richardshagrin

@Bondi Beach

The NCAA has so many rules, I am sure there must be one requiring one or two digits for uniform numbers. Likely, if they didn't, it would be easier to add a decimal point or plus or minus sign in front of the numbers. Minus 77 tackles plus 14.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@richardshagrin

The NCAA has so many rules, I am sure there must be one requiring one or two digits for uniform numbers.


uniforms numbers come from the NFL setting the rules for all versions of the sport of American Football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_number_(American_football)

Crumbly Writer

The key to a story like you're describing is defining the characters adaquitely, and creating believable motivations for everyone.

The issue with utilizing the entire basketball team is that it's impossible to get that many people to not talk, so it would be a disaster, even in fiction. If you're going that route, limit the number of participants, and ensure the relationship between the various siblings is believable (i.e. readers accept one sister betraying another while not freaking out over her own brother essentially raping her sister--even if she arranged it in the first place).

Uwe1860

@richardshagrin

It seems like this premise requires a high-school setting rather than college. Outside of larger cities, HS football teams of 22 players or fewer is not uncommon. In fact, I'd wager that the majority of high-school football teams in this country fall into this category, given the number of smaller, rural school districts.

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Crumbly Writer

@Uwe1860

I'd wager that the majority of high-school football teams in this country fall into this category, given the number of smaller, rural school districts.

Especially if you play for an all-girls school! Puts an entirely different twist on the story, doesn't it?

StaticBat83

I did say sister 2 would have sex with some of the football team not all of the football team.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@StaticBat83

I did say sister 2 would have sex with some of the football team not all of the football team.

On a side note, as a long-time ago book nerd, who does it always have to be the football team? Couldn't it just as easily be the debate team, band or even, gasp, the Chess Club? ;-D Not everyone with a 12" dick plays football!

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Couldn't it just as easily be the debate team, band or even, gasp, the Chess Club? ;-D Not everyone with a 12" dick plays football!


Jocks spend all their time thinking about sports. Nerds spend all their time thinking about sex.

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Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Pardon me, but from my experience, all teenage boys spend the majority of their time thinking about sex.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Pardon me, but from my experience, all teenage boys spend the majority of their time thinking about sex.


It's a paraphrase of a line from one of the Revenge of the Nerds movies.

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Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

It's a paraphrase of a line from one of the Revenge of the Nerds movies.

Oops! Sorry. I missed the reference, never having seen the movies.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Oops! Sorry. I missed the reference, never having seen the movies.


I haven't seen all of them either, but I've seen one or two on TV and parts of at least a few others.

The particular scene I am thinking of is one where they are at a larger Halloween even where most of the students are in costume.

One of the nerds is in the same costume as one of lead jocks and manages to trick his girlfriend into having sex with him. At the end the girlfriend realizes that it's not her boyfriend and unmasks the nerd. At first she is upset, but quickly calms down, because it's the best sex she has ever had. She asks how a nerd could be so much better at sex than a jock and he uses that line or something similar as an explanation.

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JohnBobMead

@Dominions Son

It's the first Revenge of the Nerds movie, the only one I saw. Good movie.

StaticBat83

@Crumbly Writer

I was thinking Sister 2 would try everything that she could to fit in or be the most popular girl in school. And that's one reason her sister growing bigger tits ticks her off. And because football is the biggest thing in her school she'd want to do it with some of the football team. It'd be kind of funny if it ends up that the guys she does it with have small dicks, at least compared to her brother. And Sister 2 could end up feeling disappointed with their dicks and their talent or lack of talent in the sex department.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@StaticBat83

I was thinking Sister 2 would try everything that she could to fit in or be the most popular girl in school. And that's one reason her sister growing bigger tits ticks her off. And because football is the biggest thing in her school she'd want to do it with some of the football team.

Except, that premise fails the 'sniff test'. If she upset that her sister is suddenly more attractive, then WTF would she arrange for the football team to ball her sister, which only serves to focus more attention on the sister while making a mockery of herself (i.e. the sister no one wants to fuck). (Note: rereading the description, I realize that's not what was proposed, that sister 2 get counter tricked into screwing the football team, but it doesn't change her motivations, which is to get her sister screwed by said football team. For me, for the story to be successful, you'd have to resolve that dilemma, otherwise it wouldn't make much sense and the entire situation seems forced, rather than a natural progression.)

I'll admit, it's an interesting setup, but the story appears to be weak on the execution phase.

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StaticBat83

@Crumbly Writer

In reality sister 1 would only actually be having sex with their brother, and possibly get knocked up by him too. Sister 2 would want to drive sister 1 crazy with tring to figure out who she had slept with. Then one day if the time and situation was good sister 2 would reveal that sister 1 had sex with their brother. Sister 2 may think the football team could keep secret that she's having sex with them and set it up so she's popular. Or she wouldn't care if people knew she was having sex with lots of people. As long as she was popular.

bondsman

@Bondi Beach

What, surely someone has figured out how to get three digits on the back of a jersey?

They have in at least one case, though the example I saw was years ago. During the NCAA Basket Ball tournament one player had a two digit number followed by "X". I was curious about it at the time but this was before the internet and the announcers made no comments about it.

Ernest - Perhaps your comment was meant to be sarcastic but the NFL does not rule all sports in the US.

Crumbly - I think you'll find that there are far fewer of those really small high schools that are short of players now than in the past. Consolidation, based, I think, on financial demands and assisted by better roads has wiped many of them out. That's not to say they're all gone though.

ustourist

@bondsman

The small high schools may be more common than you expect. Taking the county I am in and the eight surrounding ones, none of them can field a full team and enrolment Pre K to High school is only just over 300 total for my ISD. There is only one city within 100 miles that has more than 2000 people.
Not that the lack of a full team stopped the school district from spending just over $1m on a new indoor stadium though!

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@ustourist

The small high schools may be more common than you expect.


I wouldn't call them common, but they certainly exist. I remember reading 10 years or so ago that two high schools in death valley had to get together to hold a joint prom.

The problem was that one school had a graduating class consisting of 4 boys and the other had a graduating class consisting of 4 girls. Even if the two schools have merged since, I doubt that they could field a full football team with any kind of depth to it.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Ernest Bywater

@bondsman

Ernest - Perhaps your comment was meant to be sarcastic but the NFL does not rule all sports in the US.

I'm aware of that, and didn't say it did, but pointed out the peak body for that sport set the rules on numbers, and you'll find the same is true for most sports.

In normal basketball competitions the allowed numbers are set by the International Body on basketball as having a restricted set of one and two digit numbers, exact numbers have varied over the years. I expect the same is true for all sports. I don't know why the NCAA allowed a a third character or number, but it was against the International body rules.

Replies:   bondsman
bondsman

@Ernest Bywater

I'm aware of that, and didn't say it did, but pointed out the peak body for that sport set the rules on numbers, and you'll find the same is true for most sports.

Ernest, did you mean by this that the "top" level of a particular sport sets the rules for the lower levels? If so I would agree to an extent but there certainly isn't complete conformity.

As to "normal basketball competitions" I'm not sure what you mean. I doubt though that the NCAA necessarily follows the "International Body" rules or numbers for players; either identifying on the number allowed on a team. I don't think NCAA sanctioned teams play in international competition, so they will set their rules to suit them. I'm not current, but I believe the (American Athletic Union (AAU) sanctions international basketball teams from the US.

As an aside, the only sport I can think of where single digits are used is baseball, all the others I can think of use a leading zero. Not being a big sports fan I could be missing several that use single digits.

Dominions Son

@bondsman

I doubt though that the NCAA necessarily follows the "International Body" rules or numbers for players


Your right. For those sports with "professional" equivalents, they likely mostly follow the rules from the US pro leagues. NFL, NBA and MLB.

Ernest Bywater

@bondsman

Ernest, did you mean by this that the "top" level of a particular sport sets the rules for the lower levels?


G'day Bondsman,

In most sports the usual situation is the top body, sometimes called the Peak Body, controls the rules and the rules include setting out what is valid in a uniform and what isn't. Numbers are part of a uniform. There are various advantages with regards to being linked to the Peak body, such as ability to participate in sport at the International level, and recognition of outstanding performances. If you aren't linked to them in some way you can't participate in the sport with any organisation linked with them. Also, in general, the organisation has to play according to their rules. I say in general because there are often some limited exemptions to the rules for local novelty and charity events where they don't play by the normal rules. Also, in general, a player registered with a linked organisation can not play in a game by an organisation that isn't linked.

The usual set of layers are:

International body

National body

State body

Regional body

Local body

In some cases layers may merge into one body, and there are sometimes more than one organisation at a level.

In some sports individual competitions have to be registered, as well as the organisation, to be eligible for certain aspects within the sport. It's this event recognition which leads to some people in running performing better than the current national, state, or world record at an approved event but not recognised as a record because the event organizers hadn't taken the last step to have it fully recognised or it hadn't yet met all the rules for such a level of recognition.

The most well known examples of going outside the recognised structure above are the two cases of renegade cricket players who left the recognised system to play in a better paying unlinked competition. The same has happened with regards to various other sports. Usually the renegade organisation gets absorbed back into the main body at some later date.

Numbering in Basketball Unless it's changed in the last decade, the legal numbers for basketball are 4 to 15 (no leading zero), 21-25, 31-35, 41-45, 51-55. For a very long time it was only 4 to 15, then the numbering was expanded due to the influence of professional basketball in the US wanting more numbers. The numbers are limited to what a referee can easily signal with their hands, and the numbers 1, 2, and 3, were excluded because they relate to various other call signals the referees make with their hands, and they didn't want them confused with player numbers.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

I wouldn't call them common, but they certainly exist. I remember reading 10 years or so ago that two high schools in death valley had to get together to hold a joint prom.

Let me guess, a boy's colloquial school and a girl's Catholic single-sex school? Otherwise, what's to stop five couple from holding their own prom at their home?

@Ernest

Numbering in Basketball Unless it's changed in the last decade, the legal numbers for basketball are 4 to 15 (no leading zero), 21-25, 31-35, 41-45, 51-55.

Except, if the number starts with double-zero ("00"), that means they're allowed to kill the other players, by orders of the Queen herself.

Dominions Son
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@Crumbly Writer


Let me guess, a boy's colloquial school and a girl's Catholic single-sex school?


Nope just two very small public schools.

They weren't single gender schools, they just both ended up with single gender senior classes by pure coincidence that year because the graduating classes were so small.


Otherwise, what's to stop five couple from holding their own prom at their home?


Nothing.

However:

1. It wasn't five couples, it was only 4 boys and 4 girls.

2. It wasn't a subset of the graduating classes that went off to have their own prom. 4 boys was the entire graduating class from one school. 4 girls was the entire graduating class from the other school.

3. They weren't couples before the joint prom. The two schools were in different towns 30-40 miles apart.

4. The schools helped fund the joint prom because they would have helped fund the separate proms if the two senior classes hadn't each ended up single gender by coincidence. The two schools actually saved money with the joint prom.

ETA: Most people have no idea how small rural towns, the classic small town America where everyone knows everyone, really get.

My mother grew up on a farm just outside a small town with a total population of only around 300. You could ship packages out there by UPS using just name town and zip for an address.

My mom's high school wasn't quite that small, but there was only one high school for the entire county. That county still only has one high school.

The smallest incorporated town in the US, Lost Springs, Wyoming. Population(as of the 2010 census): 4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Springs,_Wyoming

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Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

Except, if the number starts with double-zero ("00"), that means they're allowed to kill the other players, by orders of the Queen herself.


Only if they're British, Old Chap.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Most people have no idea how small rural towns, the classic small town America where everyone knows everyone, really get.

Yeah, I got it. I was making another stupid joke. I've been to several small towns (Frogsburro, anyone--although that's actually a larger town in N.C.). My mother was also from a fairly remote section of W.V., so I'm familiar with the whole 'mountain folk' personna.

On a side note, although it's 30 miles between the two schools, hopefully they don't have to row a boat (like my mother did) uphill in both direction to reach it. :)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

On a side note, although it's 30 miles between the two schools, hopefully they don't have to row a boat


That would be difficult in Death Valley, the hottest, driest place in the US.

StaticBat83

Okay I have started the story and have posted what I have so far on this site. It's titled I Was Blindfolded. I hope you like it.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@StaticBat83

It's titled I Was Blindfolded. I hope you like it.

I suspect the shorter and more direct "Blindfold" or "Blindfolded" would make for a stronger title (passive voice again). The "I" is generally assumed and doesn't add much. The whole point of the title is to invoke the readers curiosity, if they want more detail, they'll read the story description. That's why character names are popular, while also commonly failing! How much curiosity does "Mary" provoke? :D

But then, you may not want to follow my advice, as I've used titles like "The Lad Who Poked the Devil in the Eye" before. :)

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