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Saga vs Series

PotomacBob 🚫

The description for Teen Dreams Book 3 by ProfessorC
says "The further adventures of David and the ups and downs of his love life. It would help if you had already read books one and two, since this is a saga rather than a series"
I wish somebody could explain this in terms so simple that even I can understand it.
I thought a saga was simply a long, long story in terms of time passing (maybe multi generations of a family, for instance). I thought a series was simply several episodes following a character or characters (like the old black-and-white "Superman" movie series starring Kirk Alyn, in which you could watch them in any order and they'd still make sense.
My understanding does not seem to be in accordance with what is implied in the description of Teen Dreams Book 3.

Quasirandom 🚫

@PotomacBob

Both terms, along with serial, are used with loose and largely overlapping meanings. Many people have spent ages trying to bin them into rigorous and separate senses, to no avail. To insist that someone use only your ideas of how to understand those words will only doom you to a life of stress.

Tl;dr: You can't win, just give it up.

(Mind you, I'm a professional copy editor, and so majorly anal about usage.)

bk69 🚫

@PotomacBob

Based on the description: the writer incorrectly ended earlier 'books' when they weren't in fact complete stories - it's a saga, which was broken into individual volumes. (Several fantasy novels have been published in multiple-volume releases due to length, in dead tree form, so maybe that's what he was aiming for?)

Ernest Bywater 🚫
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@PotomacBob

The best explanation I've come across is a saga is a very long story in excess of 3 novels with the same plot arc while a series is a set of individual stories with closely related aspects such as the characters or the plot or the setting. A novel is usually seen as 40,000 to 70,000 words by most publishers.

For example, my Clan Amir stories (363,000 words in 45 stories) are a series while my stories Finding Home (279,000 words), Power Tool(272,000 words), and Shiloh (271,000 words)count as sagas.

https://storiesonline.net/universe/891/clan-amir

https://storiesonline.net/s/66183/finding-home

https://storiesonline.net/s/52276/power-tool

https://storiesonline.net/s/46696/shiloh

Edit to add: Then you have people who writes a series of sagas where they have long sagas which count as a series when grouped together.

Keet 🚫

@PotomacBob

I thought a saga was simply a long, long story in terms of time passing (maybe multi generations of a family, for instance). I thought a series was simply several episodes following a character or characters (like the old black-and-white "Superman" movie series starring Kirk Alyn, in which you could watch them in any order and they'd still make sense.

Merriam-Webster defines it differently:

Definition of saga

1 : a prose narrative recorded in Iceland in the 12th and 13th centuries of historic or legendary figures and events of the heroic age of Norway and Iceland
2 : a modern heroic narrative resembling the Icelandic saga
3 : a long detailed account a saga of the Old South also : a dramatic and often complicated story or series of events
...
A Brief History of Saga

Saga was originally used to describe Icelandic prose narratives composed in the 12th and 13th centuries. The word first appeared in English in that sense during the 18th century; by the middle of the 19th century we were employing saga in a somewhat looser fashion, in reference to modern stories involving heroic deeds that bore some resemblance to the Icelandic tales of yore. By the 20th century saga had come to be applied to other written works, typically a novel or series of novels, especially those that took place over a significant period of time. Today the word may also be used to describe a long and drawn-out story that is either written or spoken (as in "my neighbor told me the saga of his divorce again"). Saga comes from an Old Norse word of the same spelling. It does not have any connection with the adjective sagacious ("possessing quick intellectual perceptions"), which comes from the Latin sagax ("sagacious").

I always considered a saga by definitions 1 or 2, never 3, but that's just me.

BlacKnight 🚫

@PotomacBob

I'm sticking with my definition: A saga is a series with pretensions.

richardshagrin 🚫

@PotomacBob

Saga backward is a gas.

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Ernest Bywater 🚫

@richardshagrin

Saga backward is a gas.

and the opening line is always hard to pronounce since it's spelling is:

dne eht

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StarFleet Carl 🚫

@PotomacBob

In the early days of motion pictures, you had the series and the serial. (No, Grinning Dick, not the crunchy kind of serial you pour milk over.)

TV had continued that trend, as have many books. A series has the same characters, but you can watch or read them in any order, it really doesn't matter a whole lot. They might reference something from a previous work, but on the whole, they're standalone works. Visually, Law & Order, NYPD Blue, Columbo and in writing, Tom Swift, the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Longarm or Mack Bolan did that as well.

A serial, you start in the middle of, and you're probably going, what the heck's going on here? Dallas was an example of that on TV. At the same time, a serial is often a series, because again, continuing characters.

Where you get into saga is when the wordy bastards show up. It's still a serial / series. It's just that things got a little out of control, and the whole, let's neatly wrap this up in a trilogy just didn't work.

David Weber with Honor Harrington (20+ books) and Safehold (10+ books) are pretty good examples of a saga - a story that tells of legendary deeds. Raymond Feist with the Crydee novels - you better know what you're getting into before starting those 30 some odd books.

As for on here, I qualify as a wordy bastard. Two finished, stand alone stories at 900,000 words between them, and my series / serial , which is at 890,000 words and still going strong in Book Three. I don't consider A True History to be a Saga, just a serial, and I'm the author. You should read the first two books (maybe even buy them on Bookapy - just saying), because starting with Book 3 and the preface about what happened before, you can do it. You're just going to miss a LOT of other things that shape what's going on in the most recent book. And that's what I suspect the Teens Dreams author meant. (Don't know, never met him, but that's what I'd suspect.)

richardshagrin 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

Tom Swift, the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Longarm or Mack Bolan

And the Bobbsey Twins. Nearly every chapter was a cliffhanger so when my Mom read them to me and my sister she quit in the middle of a chapter so we would go to bed without demanding to find out what happened.

bk69 🚫

@Ernest Bywater

dne eht

Isn't that a village in Vietnam?

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joyR 🚫

@bk69

Isn't that a village in Vietnam?

That would be cΓΊht tαΊΏk.

Grey Wolf 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

An executive who canceled a long-running serial would, then, be a serial killer. And if they canceled a number of serials, they might be a serial serial killer.

Couldn't resist :)

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Dominions Son 🚫

@Grey Wolf

A farmer who grows grains is a cereal killer.

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joyR 🚫

@Dominions Son

A farmer who grows grains is a cereal killer.

A farmer who ploughs one field after another would be a serial tiller...

Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

A over zealous movie editor is a c-reel killer.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

A Scotsman is a serial kilter.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

A knight who likes to participate in jousting tournaments is a serial tilter

joyR 🚫

@PotomacBob

The murderer of an insightful relative of a Spanish king would be...

a seer real killer

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

A sculptor who built his own house made a support column from barley and clear acrylic resin.

It was a cereal pillar.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  joyR
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

A shipyard operating a division of labour system will employ a serial keeler.

AJ

joyR 🚫

@Dominions Son

It was a cereal pillar.

If an assassin had killed Capone with a form of Indian dress...

He'd have been a Sari Al killer.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

For a time last season, covid was a Serie A killer.

AJ

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bk69 🚫

@Grey Wolf

And if they canceled a number of serials, they might be a serial serial killer.

It depends. If they were all canceled at the same time or one right after another, he'd be a spree serial killer. He'd need a cool xown period between cancellations to quality fy as serial serial killer.

joyR 🚫

@awnlee jawking

For a time last season, covid was a Serie A killer.

There are a number of strains of GM wheat. So if some were sequentially banned by an official at the flour mill he would be...

A serial cereal killer miller.

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