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Stupid Boy - Sophomore Year

jimh67

Is anyone here seriously pulling for David and Tami to get together? If so, can you explain why? What I see is Tami meddling in David's life after he's repeatedly asked her not to; she manipulates David, his mother, his friends, her friends and their friends; she expects him to keep his promises but thinks nothing of breaking the promises she made to him. I'd be perfectly happy if she ran off with the Duke of Earl while in England and completely dropped out of the story.

I feel like I must have skipped over a couple of dozen pages of backstory that would have me rooting for the two of them to get together. BTW, I'm not saying anything here that I haven't said to Greg in emails.

graybyrd

@jimh67

Regarding his many ladies ... he strikes me as the sort who lays his penis on an anvil and strikes it with a hammer ... because it feels so good when he stops!

Grant

@jimh67

Is anyone here seriously pulling for David and Tami to get together? If so, can you explain why?

She didn't give up on him while he had issues, but it's OK for him to just write her off when she has some problems of her own?

I find it interesting that there tends to be a lot of the opinion that the girl needs to stand by her man (well, OK, boy) when he does incredibly stupid stuff. But if she shows signs of having problems he should just move on and forget about the silly cow.
The fact is kids (to me anyone under the age of 30 is still a kid..) do really dumb things. Some of them do more & dumber things than others.
Hopefully they survive them, and learn from them, and they don't do something that is unforgivable or completely unacceptable.

Hopefully David will eventually realise that just because his blood work "proves" he's an Alpha male doesn't mean he has to bang every hottie that takes his fancy and he shouldn't feel that any girl he ends up marrying should be prepared to accept that behaviour.
It would be nice if Tami eventually realises that the way she has been behaving isn't acceptable & gets her act together.

Given that they have been friends for most of their lives it would be nice if they do end up together; considering what has gone on between them up to this point (I think I'm about half way through at the moment) I reckon they'd be more likely to sort things out & end up together than just end up being good friends.

So yeah, I do hope they sort things out and end up together, because if they don't I can't see them just being friends. The way things have gone it is going to be pretty much all or nothing.
I'm hoping for all.

G Younger

Couldn't help myself ... here we go.

Stupid Boy was originally written to be a David and Tami story ... then it got REALLY LONG! Our boy needed to be set free and go play. I like the anvil idea. I might have to write that in.

As of the end of Sophomore Year I've had to put Tami into witness protection from my readers. So is it possible that David and Tami get back together? Maybe. I think the obvious candidates are Beth and Suzanne from Freshman Year. The dark horse might be Cassidy. She has been lurking out there and is forbidden fruit. Another one people are asking for is Sandy Range.

I wont give anything away, but I wouldn't count Tami out as of yet. If I could slowly work Tracy back into his life, then there is hope for the original plan.

G Younger

Replies:   OregonDucks
Ernest Bywater

short to medium term, I can see David hooking up with Beth and Suzanne for a while, but in the long term, I see Tami as being the one after college is over for both of them. Both caused the other serious problems through not being open and clear in what they say to each other.

I can also see some sort of arrangement where it's David, Tami, and Beth in the long term family situation.

I can also see David going on to do well in college in football, and even play pro-football for a while as he continues with his modelling career. However, I can see a major injury in his second or third year in pro football see him retiring and modelling full-time for a few years then being asked to enter politics and doing well there. If the story goes that way I can see David linking up with Beth as one of his management team and then re-connects with Tami when she is one of the medical team to work on his major injury. I can also see Tracy staying around as one of his PR people and she gets PR and media training in college.

Anyway, Mr Younger will decide how ti goes, and if he wishes to use any of my ideas I give him free reign to pick them up and run with them. Or ignore, if he wishes.

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richardshagrin

@Ernest Bywater

Homonyms:
reign: what a monarch does, ruling a country.
rain: the wet stuff that falls from the sky not frozen. If frozen, hail or snow.
rein: the leather straps that control a horse.

I suspect Mr. Younger has free rein to pick up ideas. He controls the ideas and guides them with reins.

I hope I didn't rain on anyone's parade.

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Ernest Bywater

@richardshagrin


I suspect Mr. Younger has free rein to pick up ideas. He controls the ideas and guides them with reins.


He's the king of the story, so he has full reign over it, just like any monarch.

awnlee jawking

@jimh67

Perhaps the lesson is that if it's a male-oriented sex fantasy, the female characters should be kept one-dimensional, like 'Arlene and Jeff'. But if it's a grand romance, the female lead should be developed properly. Tami (and Jennifer in AWLL etc) seem to be in a halfway house.

AJ

miksmit

I think aj has the right idea. I also believe younger is going for the romance. I'm kind of split on his being in a poly relationship. We see so many of those here. Then again some of my favorites are polys So to conclude my ramblings I'll be happy either way as long as younger keeps writing.I'd put his stories up againts any of the best authors on sol.

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sejintenej

@jimh67

Is anyone here seriously pulling for David and Tami to get together? If so, can you explain why? What I see is Tami meddling in David's life after he's repeatedly asked her not to; she manipulates David, his mother, his friends, her friends and their friends; she expects him to keep his promises but thinks nothing of breaking the promises she made to him.

Note that the story is named "Stupid Boy" so I have a sneaking suspicion that he will marry Tami (for just that reason).

Sensibly that will break up and he will then take up with one of the other girls from that school - they seem marginally more sensible (and the lolly wouldn't hurt either).

Yes, I like Sandy but that seems too obvious unless something bad happens to her brother, she takes over the company and needs his 'help'. On top of that he did like skiing (Norsk translation = SHEing)

Of course my twisted mind is not up to the contortions of this over-competent author so I'm wrong on every count..

awnlee jawking

@miksmit


I'll be happy either way as long as younger keeps writing.I'd put his stories up againts any of the best authors on sol.


He's on my 'must read' list.

AJ

richardshagrin

Why should stupid boy marry? Unless the author wants to end the story and sequel potential with a wedding and or Honeymoon. "Why buy a cow when milk is free?" Among other professions, he is a movie star. Mostly they don't get married, these days. When they do, the half life of the wedding is in months, not years. They get a lot of valuable publicity by dating other stars. Not much by staying married. Also, difficult to be married when in college or playing football in either a major college or the NFL. Off season might have time for a wife, during the season, maybe on Mondays.

Zom

@richardshagrin

Why should stupid boy marry?

Because he's stupid?

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awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

From the experience of other stories which have gone down the marriage route, it would certainly change the emphasis of the story. I'm not sure it would still qualify as 'Coming of Age'. Perhaps it should be spun off into a separate book if the author wishes to continue after the protagonist is hitched.

AJ

awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

From the experience of other stories which have gone down the marriage route, it would certainly change the emphasis of the story. I'm not sure it would still qualify as 'Coming of Age'. Perhaps it should be spun off into a separate book if the author wishes to continue after the protagonist is hitched.

AJ

Capt Zapp

@Zom

Why should stupid boy marry?

Because he's stupid?

Sounds like the reason I got married. LOL

red61544

The kid is an athlete, a model, an actor, and a Lothario. I think a fitting end to the story would be for David to rent a huge van and invite all of his girls on a road trip and then drive off the edge of a cliff. Let the readers wonder whether it's accidental or intentional. After all, he's a Stupid Boy, so we'll never know!

sunseeker

please anyone but Tracy! How many times is he going to let her humiliate him? Forgive her ok but keep her out of his life. Give him a little self respect!

Replies:   Jounar
Jounar

@sunseeker

Agreed. As much as I love the overall story, I find David aka the main character, the weakest part of the story. The most damming reason is the amount of shit he takes from the various characters in these books and forgives them almost straight away.

Tami, Tracy, the ad agency folks to name just a few, have shit on the guy repeatedly yet he just keeps going back for more. I really wish the author will give the guy some balls and a backbone at some stage.

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Grant
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@Jounar

I really wish the author will give the guy some balls and a backbone at some stage.


And we're back to my original post in this thread, and one point in particular.

It would appear the consensus is that it's OK for the main character to shit all over everyone, do stupid things repeatedly never learning from his mistakes & basically just be a brain dead tool. Everyone else is expected to forgive & forget because he's a great bloke, even though he carries on like a total and utter wanker.

But if other people behave like real people ie do stupid stuff he should write them off straight away, cut off his nose to spite his face, never to forgive or forget & get replacements for them.

It could be, just a wild arse theory, that the reason he does have so many true friends is because he's not a total dick.

The fact is that while he does give people a second chance they have to re-earn his trust (and if they screw up again he might give them yet another chance but he doesn't forget & they no longer have his full support or confidence).

And like in real like, the more important to him someone is then the more he will try to understand their actions.

If they do something wrong, but it's not intentional then he's prepared to give them another chance. If their hurt full actions were intentional then he's not so accommodating.

Jounar

@Grant

Interesting point and maybe I'm forgetting some part of the story but for the life of me, I cant remember who has David shit all over?

David had repeatedly looked out for his family, friends and team mates and more than gone beyond the call of duty for them every time.

Then we have characters like Tracy who has not only taken a gigantic crap on the guy multiple times and in public but he then allows to waltz back into his life like nothing has happened.

I get him staying friends with her to a small degree but allowing her so much access to his life and business ventures is just nuts. They problem I have with David as a character is hes ment to be a teenager but is written like a very wise almost Yoda level adult for the most part.

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Grant
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@Jounar


Interesting point and maybe I'm forgetting some part of the story but for the life of me, I cant remember who has David shit all over?


No one.

However I'd read a couple of stories where the central character is meant to be a wonderful person, yet carries on like spoilt child.

And yet it appears from your comments that's what is expected. Being strong appears to require a slash and burn response to any transgression- real or even just perceived. Not responding that way is considered weak.


I get him staying friends with her to a small degree but allowing her so much access to his life and business ventures is just nuts.


Each time she's screwed up, he's distanced himself further from her.

Personally, I would have cut all ties after the first time. But David isn't me or you- he's him.


They problem I have with David as a character is hes ment to be a teenager but is written like a very wise almost Yoda level adult for the most part.


That's the thing with stories such as these.

Do you want a story about your normal average kid? One that acts just like a normal average kid?

There have a been a few stories where the kid behaves pretty much like normal kids, and people respond even more frustrated than you are with David. "How can they be so stupid? Why do they keep doing dumb things? Why did they do that? Anyone would know that would lead to trouble!" That's just it, normal kids do normal kid things which tend to be stupid. If they're lucky the results aren't too painful or fatal.

Remember the beginning of the very first story? David was a normal kid, trying out booze & drugs. And someone nearly died, and he got deep in the crap & went to his Uncle's farm to get sorted out. And then buried in the avalanche and had given up hope of rescue.

Things like that change people. He could have become a PTSD nutcase/arsehole, luckily he became stronger for it. David has been through & survived & recovered from some crap that most people, let alone a teenager, never have to deal with.

So as a result he isn't the type to just write someone off because they make a mistake or 2- he once wasn't any better than them, and he knows it.

I just find it odd that people consider such a response as weak. Dealing with the stupidity & neuroses of others in an adult manner takes a lot of strength & patience.

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richardshagrin

@Grant

he's not a total dick.


No, he's a David.

shinerdrinker

@Grant

Here. Here.

Very well put. I personally love that David wears his emotions on his sleeve. It is why he is willing to give second and even third chances. He got them from his family and friends and that summer on the farm straightened him out quick, fast and in a hurry.

He realizes cutting people off is not healthy because what if the shoe was on the other foot. For David, it was on the other foot.

It is a great story and I find myself often giving a gift to myself of going back and reading all about that Stupid Boy.

KimLittle

I do love me some 'Stupid Boy'.

I hope David and Tami do end up with each other. After they both make colossal fuck-ups with other parties, and realise that relationships takes compromise and work.

Currently it seems to me like David is willing to settle if Tami is, but Tami doesn't want to settle or has a belief that David can't settle.

Personally I believe that your life partner should be your best friend, and if Tami and David aren't besties then I'm drunker than I feel right now.

I think that Tami definitely has a little more growing up to do, and David needs to gain some stability in his life before they can truly be happy together.

But that's just me - I wish I could write like G Younger!

sejintenej

@Grant

It would appear the consensus is that it's OK for the main character to shit all over everyone,


ALL COMMENTS EXCLUDE CONTRIBUTORS (unless you know better)
Not that it is OK but he is like so many real life erks

do stupid things repeatedly never learning from his mistakes & basically just be a brain dead tool.

and how many people like that have you come across in all your years? Not abnormal


Everyone else is expected to forgive & forget because he's a great bloke, even though he carries on like a total and utter wanker

just like real life wankers expect real life other people to behave.

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Dominions Son

@sejintenej

just like real life wankers expect real life other people to behave.


Yeah, but who wants to read real life stories, particularly when it comes to sex stories?

Replies:   Capt Zapp  Grant
Capt Zapp

@Dominions Son

Yeah, but who wants to read real life stories, particularly when it comes to sex stories?


If my sex life was a in print, it would be a leaflet.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Capt Zapp

If my sex life was a in print, it would be a leaflet.


Mine wouldn't even be a paragraph.

richardshagrin

Sexlife: Thinking about it, talking about it, or reading about it. Watching others do it on internet porn. Going to a pool or beach and watching girls in bikinis. Do they have strip shows with strippers these days? Maybe getting a lap dance?

Grant
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@Dominions Son

Yeah, but who wants to read real life stories, particularly when it comes to sex stories?


Even stories without sex.

I read for entertainment. If I want to be depressed, I watch the news.

Many years ago there was a TV series where poor white trash were living in a marina with lots of nice toys & some money to throw around.

One of the comedy shows of the time decided to make fun of them with their own take, a couple of normal people at home one evening.

The scene; A couple in the lounge room, him reading the paper, her watching the TV with the sound down while doing some knitting.

Her "How was your day?"

Him "Good. Yours?"

Her "Not bad. Did some cleaning and shopping."

Him "That's nice."

5 minutes long and that was pretty much the dialogue. The point being that most normal everyday people are pretty boring- there isn't one crisis after another to keep people amused.

And it's that way with stories- most people & their lives just wouldn't make a good story.

So you either have someone who's exceptional in one or more ways and follow their journey through life. Or someone who's basically normal, and put them in an abnormal situation & see how they cope & what develops from that.

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Ernest Bywater

@Grant

That sounds like one of the regular skits in the Carol Burnett Show

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richardshagrin
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@Ernest Bywater

Name from the past. Before her, Jack Parr, and before him, Steve Allen. They don't feature programs and people like that any more, which I guess is why I don't bother with TV any more.

Carol had a small comedy troop including Harvey Corman. My spell check doesn't like that name, I better go look him up on line, and recover the names of the other Carol Burnett players.

You young farts, go play somewhere else, your old farts are remembering better days.

In addition to Carol Burnett, the cast consisted of:
Vicki Lawrence
Harvey Korman (seasons 1-10)
Lyle Waggoner (seasons 1-7)
Tim Conway (seasons 9-11; frequent guest performer in seasons 1-8)
Dick Van Dyke (first half of season 11)

My memory maybe mostly gone, but Bing will save the day.

KinkyWinks

Remember "Kenny The Kansan" by Openbook? I hated that boy, but I read every word. The David character in "Stupid Boy" is an asshole. One minute he's a hero and the next he's stupid but, it is a great story.

bluerazz26

I had just finished the story read through all three and wanted to dicuss the set ups and possible troubles the author prepared for the next book and should i make a new thread for the dicussion or continue on this one?

OregonDucks

@G Younger

I really can't stand Tami as a character, I started not liking her around half way threw the first book. I say no for David and Tami getting together, I find her overall character annoying and frustrating to read and that is saying something because this is a really great story. Almost in the same class as rlfj story A Fresh Start.

My Top 6 girls are

1) Beth Anderson
2) Tracy Dole (I'm surprised I have her in 2nd place but I really like her character, especially if she gets her shit together)
3) Suzanne
4) Cassidy
5) Sandy Range
6) Missy Stone

G Younger

I thought I would add my two cents.

Tami was meant to frustrate the reader and David. I received several emails about how he should just dump her and move one ... but what's the fun in that.

To this point David hasn't dumped on anyone or been the typical jock dick. I can't see him as a character doing that unless provoked. If I had any inside information I would bet it is coming...

My Top 6 Girls (as of the end of Sophomore Year and excluding Tami):
1) Beth
2) Pam
3) Suzanne
4) Cassidy - my secret dark horse for David
5) Tracy
6) Nancy - I like that character and how she pushes him

FYI - Junior Year is coming out in Mid to Late September. I'm writing the last chapter for Part 1 right now.

Replies:   sejintenej
OregonDucks

Im lost how Nancy?

Plus I agree with Ernest Bywater comment about David getting into politics and doing really well.

When can we buy Part 1? In September or sooner for the people who are going to buy it.

Ernest Bywater

@OregonDucks

or sooner for the people who are going to buy it.


sooner I hope!

G Younger

@OregonDucks

It will be for sale sometime in August. If your on my email list I will send out a notification when it is available. If not, shoot me a message and I'll add you.

I've also rewritten and fixed the first two books. I've been told it is a much better read.

G Younger

FYI - I have a new book coming out this week about a young boy who sells his sister on craigslist. It is very unlike anything I've written before. I unleashed my inner Mark Twain and it is more in the line of a young adult story with very little sex.

sejintenej

@G Younger

My Top 6 Girls (as of the end of Sophomore Year and excluding Tami):

4) Cassidy - my secret dark horse for David


It seems to me that authors have a thing about girls and the fighting arts. Here we have Cassidy who can out do the Green Berets, then there's Lisa who can give a good wallop when she's not shooting them, Asuka who puts down the best of the Queen's SAS troops....
Where does one find these women in real life?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@sejintenej

Where does one find these women in real life?


Many are working out at or instructing at dojos - some are in the military, and some are competitors in the mixed martial arts pro circuit.

Replies:   Capt Zapp  jason1944
Capt Zapp

@Ernest Bywater

Many are working out at or instructing at dojos - some are in the military, and some are competitors in the mixed martial arts pro circuit.


Unfortunately, most of them would probably never give a 'regular guy' a first glance, much less a second.

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Ernest Bywater

@Capt Zapp

Unfortunately, most of them would probably never give a 'regular guy' a first glance, much less a second.


two glances, one for each half she leaves on opposite sides of the road.

REP

EB is probably right about where to find most of them. However, the one you need to watch out for is the cute young thing sitting on a barstool looking demure and innocent. At least until you sit down beside her and insult her in the process of picking her up. :)

Replies:   Capt Zapp
Capt Zapp

@REP

the one you need to watch out for is the cute young thing sitting on a barstool looking demure and innocent.


The only reason I am ever in a bar is because I am there to work. If the 'cute young thing' has to be drunk to like you or vice-versa, they aren't worth picking up. And, IMNSHO, if they think they can find something good in a bar, they are in for a big disappointment.

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Wheezer

@Capt Zapp

The only reason I am ever in a bar is because I am there to work. If the 'cute young thing' has to be drunk to like you or vice-versa, they aren't worth picking up. And, IMNSHO, if they think they can find something good in a bar, they are in for a big disappointment.


Judgmental, much? While your overly broad brush paints everyone the same, Reality is not in agreement with you. Not everyone who goes into a bar for a drink is as worthless as you suggest - probably not even the majority. Did you accidentally choke on a bible?

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REP

@Capt Zapp

IMNSHO


I really wish people would stop speaking in acronyms. Especially when I have to go look them up to find out what is being said to me.

Replies:   Dominions Son  Capt Zapp
Dominions Son

@REP

There are certain acronyms that are common on nearly all web forums.

IMHO in my honest opinon

AFIK a far as I know

IIRC if I recall correctly.

IANL I am not a lawyer

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Dominions Son

I understood IMHO to be "in my humble opinion."

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Grant
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@richardshagrin

I understood IMHO to be "in my humble opinion."

There was never any humility on bulletin boards, and incredible amounts of bullshit, and that moved over the net.

It's been "Honest" since I can remember, to indicate that (at least this time) they're not spewing rubbish to wind people up or misdirect them.

Replies:   sejintenej
Capt Zapp

@Wheezer

Has nothing to do with the Bible but with what I see happening in bars all the time. Judgemental? yeah, probably, at least as far as drinking goes. I admit, I have seen some decent bars and some decent people in bars, but I still say that if you need to drink in order to find someone, then your judgement is already going to be clouded by the alcohol.

'The more I drink, the better he/she looks.'
'The more I drink, the smarter he/she sounds.'
'Even an ugly person looks good at closing time'
(morning after)'this is NOT the person I came home with'

Capt Zapp

@REP

IMNSHO


Sorry, That one's not as common as IMHO, but it relates.

In My Not So Humble Opinion

awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

I understood IMHO to be "in my humble opinion."


My understanding too, and supported by barrowloads of acronym sites. A few mention 'honest' as well, but usually after 'humble'.

For those tempted to think the 'h' usually stands for honest, IMNSHO becomes nonsensical.

AJ

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Grant
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@awnlee jawking

For those tempted to think the 'h' usually stands for honest, IMNSHO becomes nonsensical.


And it was to me until it was mentioned that people now replace the Honest with Humble.

Many acronyms have changed meaning over the years, looks like that's the case with this one too.

VHS actually stood for Vertical Helical Scanning, but I can't remember the last time I saw it mentioned correctly. Now it's often said to stand for Video Home System.
DVD was Digital Video Disc, but as it became used for other things it was renamed Digital Versatile Disc.

Capt Zapp

@Grant

Many acronyms have changed meaning over the years


Not just acronyms, but regular words as well. But let's not go there.

awnlee jawking

@Grant

And it was to me until it was mentioned that people now replace the Honest with Humble.

Many acronyms have changed meaning over the years, looks like that's the case with this one too.


We'll have to disagree on that. I've never encountered 'honest' outside this thread.

AJ

sejintenej

@Grant

I understood IMHO to be "in my humble opinion."

There was never any humility on bulletin boards, and incredible amounts of bullshit, and that moved over the net.

It's been "Honest" since I can remember, to indicate that (at least this time) they're not spewing rubbish to wind people up or misdirect them.

and it has been "humble" for as long as I remember (only going back to the eighties so I'm a newcomer).

I use the "humble" version realising that I don't know everything and that some better educated person may prove me wrong.

If I had used In My Honest Opinion and you argued then I would consider that you are calling me a liar and honour must be regained.....

REP

The above posts illustrate a second reason I don't like speaking in acronyms.

If you look at the definitions of an acronym, you will often find multiple meanings, since the meanings seem to evolve with time and the way a specific group of people use the acronym. Some of the different meanings may be about the same, but there can be slight differences, which can be meaningful in determining what an acronym's user actually means.

IMHO is an excellent example. I see its use as the user posturing for some purpose, but the purpose in not always clear.

If the user interprets H as humble, why does the user feel that their opinion is humble? Wouldn't it be better to state your opinion and let it stand or fall on its own merits? Perhaps IMHO is being used as an advance apology to anyone who might be offended by the opinion.

If the user interprets H as honest, is the user saying that they sometimes state dishonest opinions and they want the reader to understand that this time they are being truthful.

I have lost track of the number of times I have read something stated using an acronym and my understanding of the acronym's definition didn't match the context of the message. I have to look up the acronym's other meanings to see it there is one that matches the message's context, but that is guess work and not always accurate. Alternatively, I can ask the user of the acronym what they meant by the acronym. Acronyms can lead to confusion and misunderstandings, especially in written communications.

Grant

@REP

If the user interprets H as honest, is the user saying that they sometimes state dishonest opinions and they want the reader to understand that this time they are being truthful.

Yep.
That's the usage i'm familiar with, although it's not so much they're usually dishonest as they're usually spouting rubbish.

If you look at the definitions of an acronym, you will often find multiple meanings, since the meanings seem to evolve with time and the way a specific group of people use the acronym.

That's the wonderful thing about standards; there are so many of them, let alone all the different interpretations of each one.

Dominions Son

@REP

If the user interprets H as honest, is the user saying that they sometimes state dishonest opinions and they want the reader to understand that this time they are being truthful.


If the user interprets H as humble, is the user saying that they are usually an arrogant SOB?

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REP

@Dominions Son

I doubt it. They are more likely trying to put your mind at ease before they say something that some may not like or agree with.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@REP

I doubt it. They are more likely trying to put your mind at ease before they say something that some may not like or agree with.


So it really should be NO,B: No offense, but...

If someone ever says "no offense, but..." you can be certain that the next thing out of their mouth will be offensive.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@REP

IMHO is an excellent example. I see its use as the user posturing for some purpose, but the purpose in not always clear.


Claiming humility before asserting something potentially controversial is an artifice long predating the internet. And I agree, it often indicates some kind of ulterior agenda. Although I might award a free pass on that to the yoof of today, who grew up with it as an internet acronym without the benefit of understanding its nuances.

AJ

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@awnlee jawking

In my humble opinion, used appropriately, is a rhetorical device. It's usually ironic, where the speaker (or writer) signals that his opinion is, in fact, not at all humble. Context is key.

awnlee jawking

@Dominions Son

no offense, but


no offense but they can tackle all day so they might make the play-offs this year :)

AJ

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jason1944
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@Ernest Bywater

Or working as stunt performers - see Jessie Graff, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJBvNXoHG9A

Dominions Son

@awnlee jawking

no offense but they can tackle all day so they might make the play-offs this year :)


I don't know how I missed this before.

I am offended that you think that they might make the play-offs this year. :P

imsly1
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Greg sent out the link to get the story early..

But then when it gets posted id be like huh

...done read it..

One reason i dont buy actual books anymore...the stories last a day or two...because i cant put it down

Here they can last years...

My life is too busy as it is...i want more than a Quickie...great stories should last months or years..imo...

Greg writes stories that you can visulize..

So do quite a few other authors here....thats why i love SOL...

By the time a long running book ends i can reread it and learn aomething that i missed..
And i cant wait..till its gets started

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Grant

@imsly1

One reason i dont buy actual books anymore...the stories last a day or two...because i cant put it down

I've got many books that are almost worn out from the number of times I've re-read them.
Good stories are worth reading more than once.

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