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jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?

Ernest Bywater

@jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


I doubt it, cause it flies in the face of the main aspect of the genre. However, it's not really an MC story, in my story Finding Home the main character is a very dominating personality and is able to give people orders they obey - but result depend on how strong willed they are. He gives them orders for the protection of himself and his people, but they go on as per normal with everything else. It's kind of like a mentally supported verbal non- disclosure order. That's a very minor aspect of the story, very minor, it's mostly character change and action.

Not_a_ID

Sane in what way?

While I wasn't taking notes, I have memories of more than a few where the person being controlled was aware of it while being controlled. Or otherwise realized something wasn't quite right, but they're more the exception than the rule.

More typically though, they're wish fulfillment stories, where the mind control is otherwise insurmountable, so they're aware of it only while the control is asserting itself, after which they no longer care.

Presumably because they either were told not to worry about that little detail, or because being reminded of their being controlled helps in reinforcing that same control--in which case they'll be constantly reminded.

JohnPalko

@jhncanson

There are quite a few mind control stories where the subjects are horrified by what is happening and are either fighting against the mind control, or can think perfectly clearly, but are locked away from control of their bodies. Most of these have a strong element of humiliation, some of the Nanotech and technological mind control, as well as a lot of slave conditioning stories are that way. Some of the drug, magic and hypnosis stories allow the controlled to be aware while controled, too.

Actually, all of the really good mind control stories have that plot element in common for at least some of the characters. It's the single most effective way to establish dramatic tension in what can otherwise spiral into simple wish fulfillment stories. The second best way to make a mind control story effective is to somehow establish empathy between the reader and the character who is subject to control for the pathos.

If you've not stumbled across it, the Erotic Mind Control Story Archive http://www.mcstories.com/ is an excellent resource. A few other worthwhile collections are Djian's Understories site http://www.understories.com/index2.html and JR Parz's Erotic Mind Control Page http://www.asstr.org/~JR_Parz/

Capt. Zapp

@jhncanson

Check out the "Master" series by plusplus.

Switch Blayde

@jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


I believe that's the case in all my mind control stories. The MC'd person knows what's happening to them, but can't help it. It's especially true when humiliation is added. It wouldn't be humiliating if they didn't know what was happening and not wanting it to happen.

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ustourist

@Switch Blayde

That raises an interesting point about Dom mindset.
In most cases I would think submissives are voluntary (always excepting those subject to abuse and acting through fear) so the Dom is only actually being dominant or creating humiliation in their own mind.
Wouldn't the thought that they are causing humiliation be sufficient for someone using MC to believe it was happening? - self delusion through a power trip.

And to those pathetic contributors who try to bring politics into everything, please go to another thread and don't hijack this one.

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Dominions Son
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@jhncanson


Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


It partly depends on what you mean by sane and can think clearly.

There is a full spectrum of mind control stories out there with stories running from:

Victims are essentially puppets, constantly manipulated by the controller or crushed personality "zombie" slaves that are basically biological automatons that will obey commands but are not capable of independent thought.

To:

Light touch one time (or periodic) control that permanently alters the subjects thinking without destroying the subject's capacity to think or act independently. The subject is still capable of making rational independent choices with in the constraints of the mind control.

The extreme end of this is "weak love potion" stories where the victim is altered to be sexually attracted to a specific person, but not obsessively so.

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docholladay

@jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


It also depends on the individual reader's definition of "Sane". That definition can and will vary from one culture to another among other factors. Some terms are extremely affected by many variables. Your definition may or may not fit someone elses.

Switch Blayde

@ustourist

Wouldn't the thought that they are causing humiliation be sufficient for someone using MC to believe it was happening?


That would be from the perspective of the person who has the mind control power. When I mentioned humiliation, it was from the POV of the person being controlled. They didn't want to do something, but could not stop from doing it.

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ustourist

@Switch Blayde

Agreed, a totally different perspective. Knowing what is happening would magnify the humiliation when it was mind control.

Not_a_ID

@Dominions Son

Light touch one time (or periodic) control that permanently alters the subjects thinking without destroying the subject's capacity to think or act independently. The subject is still capable of making rational independent choices with in the constraints of the mind control.

The extreme end of this is "weak love potion" stories where the victim is altered to be sexually attracted to a specific person, but not obsessively so.


There are a couple other variations on this as well. Some of the SWARM Cycle stories use the nanites to impose an NDA via a quasi-form of mind control. (They think of violating the NDA, they get violently ill. So long as they don't try to violate the NDA, its business as usual.)

Another type of Mind Control that get used, although typically in the stroke stuff. Is the MC "forces a "180" on their victim regarding a given item, although it may be less than 180 in some cases. ;)

It doesn't have to be about sex(but it makes an easy foil to compare against), it's just more about getting them out of their way. So for example, their victim may remain "otherwise sane" and nothing else changed about their life, but they now find nothing particularly of interest about the MC having an orgy in the middle of the street.

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ustourist

@Not_a_ID

They think of violating the NDA, they get violently ill. So long as they don't try to violate the NDA, its business as usual

I seem to recall that was also used by Druids a couple of times in the Carter clan series when they wanted to enforce future good behavior.

TMaskedWriter

The three main controllers in my stories tend to leave people sane. I've deliberately kept the method vague, but the way it tends to work is that they suggest something, and all the reasons not to go along with it fall away in the person's mind. The other one is a bit more forceful with it, but usually, no sanity loss is involved. (What IS the SAN loss for Mind Control, anyway?)

Switch Blayde

@jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


All of mine (at least most. I don't remember). It was them knowing but couldn't help themselves that made it interesting, especially when some humiliation was thrown in.

Crumbly Writer

I think you shouldn't be looking at Mind-Control stories themselves, as they tend towards wish-fulfillment fantasies about doing whatever one wishes without penalties. The type of story you're probably interested would likely fall under 'Telepathy' stories, where one person 'speaks' telepathically to another, and such communication often conveys an intense emotional or power connection which draws followers rather than outright slaves.

The secondary characters are typically drawn in because they get something from the encounter, rather than being 'forced' to do whatever the protagonist desires.

I've written several stories along this line, from my initial Catalyst, where the protagonist's abilities gave their follower's 'powers' of their own, to my more recent The Cuckoo's Progeny, where the main character reached out to others in a similar situation as a fellow 'outsider' who could somehow find them a better world to live in than the one they found themselves on.

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REP

@Crumbly Writer

. . . at Mind-Control stories . . . would likely fall under 'Telepathy' stories,


Mind control and Telepathy stories are worlds apart. I use telepathy in my stories and telepathy is a means of communicating without speaking. There is no control aspect in mind-to-mind communication. Mind control is the act of controlling another's thoughts and action. That does not imply communication of thoughts, which is what telepathy signifies. The form of communication used in Mind Control is about changing the controlled person's ability to act on their personal belief structure. You could say the mind controller is changing or at least inhibiting the controlled person from using their personal belief structure to control their actions.

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Crumbly Writer

@REP

Mind control and Telepathy stories are worlds apart.

I'm hardly claiming that telepathy stores are the same thing as Mind Control stories, only that they have some similarities, and that I think the original poster might do better searching for some offshoots of telepathy stories rather than Mind Control stories, since the latter are almost exclusively wish-fulfillment.

Telepathy isn't principally about control, but sometimes the immediacy of telepathy (i.e. having someone 'inside your head') produces a more intense emotional response leading to several harem type stories (The Catalyst being one example).

From the initial description, I couldn't think of any Mind Control stories which fit the bill, but immediately thought of several telepathy stories which did.

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REP

@Crumbly Writer

the original poster might do better searching for some offshoots of telepathy stories rather than Mind Control stories,


I think the OP wants mind control stories and telepathy isn't going to give him what he wants.

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Crumbly Writer

@REP

I think the OP wants mind control stories and telepathy isn't going to give him what he wants.


Forget it, you missed the entire point I was making.

In short, I don't think there ARE many consensual mind-control stories. Thus I was offering possible alternatives. However, since he never responded, I agree that he doesn't seem interested.

Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

I don't think there ARE many consensual mind-control stories.


There aren't and there shouldn't be. It's a control genre which is nonconsensual. One person makes the other do something. Now a character might request to be controlled (taken over), so that is consensual, but once in the control of the other person it has to be non-consent because they have no say.

Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

In short, I don't think there ARE many consensual mind-control stories.


I don't think that's what the OP was looking for either.

As I read the OP, he is looking for light touch mind control stories where the victims aren't turned into zombies, automatons or puppets. There are plenty of such stories.

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richardshagrin

@jhncanson

Depends on what you mean as "sane". Here is a somewhat different meaning: "Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE)"

TMaskedWriter

@Dominions Son

Pity, that. All my stuff sounds like what he wanted.

Crumbly Writer

Shadow of Moonlight's Sleepwalker series might fit your bill, as the lead character controls people in their dreams, when they aren't conscious and assume it's only a random dream, but has no control over people when they're awake.

It's been a while since I've read it, so his abilities probably extend beyond that (it seems to me he has quite a few controls while awake too). It's also some of my all-time favorite stories.

sunkuwan

he can make them forget everything in the real world.

And a shame that there is no continuation after the first trilogy.

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samuelmichaels

@jhncanson

Is there a mind control stories where the subjects being MC'ed are still sane and can think clearly?


How about The Accidental Master by Lord Skies?

Crumbly Writer

@sunkuwan

And a shame that there is no continuation after the first trilogy.

Does anyone know whatever happened to the author, Shadow of Moonlight? Did he just lose interest, did something happen to him, or has he just gone off to dreamland to live among the lost boys?

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