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Mind control = lazy?

jhnmakii2nd

I've read tons of stories here and still am but i seem to have subconsciously avoid and/or ignore any story that has any mind control aspect to it.

ESP is a different topic. I like that, it's an underpowered version of mind control thus it has its challenges.

Anyway, i've been having this thoughts that mind control is a lazy way of writing a story, like a super thick plot armor, or a heaven defying luck that could turn a situation around just because.

For example, idk about you guys, but when i read erotic stories, i find the chase more exciting yet the mind control entirely skips this part.

If there are any conflict, mind control seems to do the job in a jiffy.

I think people should consider adding side effects to curb the OPness of said ability.

Switch Blayde

@jhnmakii2nd


If there are any conflict, mind control seems to do the job in a jiffy.


When done well, the conflict is the conscience of the mind control character. In my mc story "Satan's Son" it's all about right and wrong.

But in my "Mind the Teacher," it's simply a man having unrestrained fun. Pure fantasy.

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jhnmakii2nd

@Switch Blayde

The problem is that, in 80% or probably 90% mind control stories.

Any significant antagonists are also mind controllers.

Stemming from the problem that they give their mc the ability to 100% perfectly control minds without side effects.

REP

@jhnmakii2nd

Extra-Sensory Perception (ESP) is a catch-all term for physic powers. Mind control is one of those powers, so ESP and Mind Control are not different topics.

Mind control is nothing more than forcing one person's wishes on one or more people. It is nothing more than a highly effective form of cohersion. In a sexual application, it is rape.

Mind Control is NOT a lazy way of writing a story. It can be the topic about which a story is written, and it could be considered a lazy way for the characters to achieve their goals. What you need to consider is fiction stories are about peoples' fantasies. No one really wants to hear about the downside associated with their fantasies.

awnlee jawking

@jhnmakii2nd

A lot of novice writers churn out Mary Sue stories, ie idealised versions of themselves. And if that means granting themselves unusual attributes, it's usually done to excess. Many people would like paranormal abilities and mind control fits the bill for them, an antithesis to their lack of power over others in real life.

Just as it's difficult for ordinary people to write convincing stories about the mega-rich or the super-geniuses, for example, because they have little idea what their lives are really like, since there aren't even media snippets about the lives of real mind-controllers, they're limited by their imagination and genre cliches.

AJ

Wheezer

My opinion: Mind Control sex is no different than a date rape drug. Mind Control without the sexual component is almost as bad. Mental rape runs a close second to physical rape in my opinion. It is a major squick of mine, and it gives me a queasy feeling to know how many readers of this site enjoy this type of fantasy.

Don't like my opinion? I'll gladly refund you every penny you paid for it.

BlinkReader

@Wheezer

+1

According to main themes in mind control stories, it looks like lot of people like to have sex with dolls (you know - the usually inflated squeaky plastic things).

Having real living person to share joys of sex, and even disagreements and fights - is priceless ...

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docholladay

Part of the appeal has to be the fact that the stories are easily identified as Fantasy and not reality. Same with all the super hero type stories.

Dominions Son

@BlinkReader

According to main themes in mind control stories, it looks like lot of people like to have sex with dolls


Sure, telepathic mind control, where the controller, can apply constant commands, it would be like that.

However, It would not quite be like that for other methods of mind control like hypnosis, or mind control that required an external instrumentality.

Those non telepathic methods would still allow for some individuality in how commands are complied with or even interpreted.

jhnmakii2nd

I do understand stories here are fiction thus not real.

But it wouldn't hurt if they add a touch of realism to it.

A story about the protagonist having the ability to read surface thoughts or like an empath to receive emotions would be more interesting than reading straight-up 'you are my slut' mind control scenarios.

The only problem is that, i like a seasoning of ordinary to it.

Given the ability above, most authors would go to the FBI/CIA spy type route.

Why can't the mc try to be normal and use the said ability to any hobby/sport and bring spice to it.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@jhnmakii2nd

Add the probability that anyone with any of those abilities would have to go into hiding big time. If any government agency was to find out about them. Their freedom and/or their life would end quick. Those agencies would want them for two main purposes: One control over their gifts. Two to try and create it under laboratory conditions for future agents.
Result either way under lock and key at the best. Lab rat at the worst.

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jhnmakii2nd

@docholladay

And that only happens in storiesonline because apparently, mc with any significant supernatural abilities use it to enslave everyone in their vicinity as their sex slaves.

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Switch Blayde
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@jhnmakii2nd

And that only happens in storiesonline because apparently, mc with any significant supernatural abilities use it to enslave everyone in their vicinity as their sex slaves.


You haven't seen the movie "Hearts in Atlantis." The Anthony Hopkins character had mind powers he didn't use for sex. (He did use it to win money gambling to live on.)

And, @docholladay, he was running from the government that wanted to use his powers.

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docholladay
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@Switch Blayde


And, @docholladay, he was running from the government that wanted to use his powers.


And of course they were doing it for his own good.

edited to add 2 more links by Volentrin:
http://storiesonline.net/s/46921/the-gift
http://storiesonline.net/s/48340/the-gift-book-ii
author: http://storiesonline.net/library/author.php?name=Volentrin&sf=alpha&so=asc&p=2

Switch Blayde

And don't forget the Al Pacino movie "The Devil's Advocate." It was the inspiration for my story "Satan's Son."

Just because it's mind control doesn't mean it's crap.

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docholladay
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@Switch Blayde

Very true. Like many other forms of entertainment, any theme can be done well or made into a piece of crap. The many potential variations of any and all themes are what keeps storytelling fresh and new. That applies to all genres under the fiction label.

edit to add: The only real problems are with those who can never tell the difference between Imagination and Reality.

PotomacBob

@jhnmakii2nd

I appreciate authors who write mind control stories on SOL. I enjoy some of the stories. After all, they put in work to write the story - and while they may not have written it with me in mind, I profit from it.
I am the one who's lazy. I don't write anything.
I am also not a freeloader - I pay for my subscription to SOL.

awnlee jawking

@Wheezer

Many years ago, I wrote most of a story in which the protagonist is gifted a mind control device in return for risking his life to help crash-landed aliens repair their spaceship.

The protagonist interrupts a bunch of kids who are robbing him, managing to capture the oldest. On using the mind-control device, he discovers the kid is a girl and the group were robbing him for food because their mother is a non-functional depressed alcoholic.

He gets the girl to shower while he launders her rags and orders large pizzas. After the girl is clean and full, she feels good about herself. The protagonist is also horny because his girlfriend recently left him. The result is a feedback loop leading to universe-reorienting sex. Neither party gave informed consent for sex so it was rape, but who was raping whom?

In the aftermath, the protagonist is appalled to realise he has had sex with an underage girl, and the girl is appalled that she broke her cultural norms by having unprotected sex before marriage. The protagonist lets the girl leave with the uneaten pizzas for her siblings, telling her that if she comes back the next day he'll have the morning-after pill for her and he'll feed all the kids.

I will probably never finish the story. I can't think of a suitable site to host it, and somehow completing the story would feel like killing the characters :(

AJ

jhnmakii2nd

It's really hard to dig through the stories with mind control tags to find gems.

Since mind control is so popular as erotica so there'd be plenty of it.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@jhnmakii2nd

Every major genre category, not to mention the offshoots, have their own popularity groups and most tend to crossover to many genres. The individual bad reaction factors effect which stories any given reader will read. But most readers do not limit themselves to just one or two genres.

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jhnmakii2nd

@docholladay

I try to focus on one genre and when im finished with it somewhat i move on to the next.

If i don't do it that way, i'll be a mess when i run out of stories to read.

Ernest Bywater

the key word in the phrase is control which is what the core aspect of the genre is about.

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jhncanson

@Ernest Bywater

But sometimes there's too much control.

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REP

@jhncanson

For a mind controller there is no such thing as too much control, as long as they are the one doing the controlling.

Crumbly Writer

I like the idea of getting caught in a feedback loop with those you're trying to control. If that was developed as a weakness of mind control, limiting it's affects and causing those with the ability to develop affinities for those they try it on, it might provide a nice balance.

But then, we're mostly talking wish-fulfillment, where the author dreams of rape without the unpleasant violence.

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awnlee jawking

@Crumbly Writer

In my story, the underage girl returned with her siblings and managed to seduce the protagonist. She was damaged goods as far as her own culture was concerned, so there was no point in denying herself more great sex (since the protagonist had learned through the mind link what pushed her buttons).

So you're spot on about the dangers of mind control and the resultant affinity.

AJ

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Crumbly Writer
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@awnlee jawking


So you're spot on about the dangers of mind control and the resultant affinity.


I was looking at it more as a fix for the topic discussion: mind control being lazy writing. But putting serious restrictions on the ability, making it more of a liability rather than purely wish-fulfillment, we might end up with better stories.

Plots constructed without much thought aren't terribly challenging. Chasing one skirt after another without any personal growth isn't very fulfilling. In order for a character to develop, they need to overcome a challenge to become something better than they were initially, otherwise there's simply no story arc.

As opposed to my stories, where each story has the same, identical story arc. Hee-hee!

jimh67

With regard to reading minds, how much do humans think in words that could be "read"? Obviously, some thoughts can't even be expressed in words, but I'm curious about "I need to go to the kitchen to get some milk." In my own mind, I get the impression that there can be a string of thoughts that flashes by much too quickly to be put into words, but due to the observer effect, trying to watch my thoughts changes the thoughts. I was thinking maybe some scientists have tried to study this.

I think anyone trying to read my mind would quickly back out for fear of permanent damage to their psyche. I often wonder what my occasionally bizarre cat is thinking but I'm positive I wouldn't want to go there.

Bondi Beach

@Switch Blayde

And don't forget the Al Pacino movie "The Devil's Advocate." It was the inspiration for my story "Satan's Son."

Just because it's mind control doesn't mean it's crap.


It seems the Al Pacino character, the Devil, AKA John Milton (ho ho ho) used "mind control" to create visions and, of course, to offer delights beyond one's imagination if only the person would give in. Something like the 40 days in the wilderness and the view from the top of the mountain (or a Manhattan skyscraper with an infinity pool, same difference).

Keanu Reeves' wife commits suicide because she sees the junior devil for what she is, but that's not mind control. He didn't control the Keanu Reeves character, although he tempted him and very likely successfully, but the movie ends before we know for sure.

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Bondi Beach

@jhnmakii2nd

Anyway, i've been having this thoughts that mind control is a lazy way of writing a story, like a super thick plot armor, or a heaven defying luck that could turn a situation around just because.


Did you ever read Sleepwalker by Shadow of Moonlight? I haven't read the two sequels, but in the first story the protagonist's little sister enters his dreams and guides them; subsequently he apparently realizes he has a similar ability. It's not exactly mind control in that she doesn't seem to be forcing him, but it's certainly mind influence combined with some kind of ESP.

The result is a creative use of something ESP-like that doesn't result in harem creation or dominance. And Sleepwalker, at least, is a pretty good story.

The writer's style was similar enough to Gina Marie Wyle's that I thought it was her story, but she said no.

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jhncanson

@Bondi Beach

I've come across it many times but i got intimidated by the descriptions of the sequels of what it meant.

I'm an only son of my father and he's not at home most of the time because he works far from home this is especially emphasized because i live in the philippines where its mostly just small and big islands so instead of riding the boat or plane everyday he lives on other islands.

Any ways, i live alone with my mom and 2 sisters so i'm especially squeamish by rape.

Yeah, it's contradictory when sometimes i feel okay reading some stories here where it really confuses the boundary of being rape.

I guess, whenever i read stories, i put myself into the protagonist's shoes so whenever a family member or someone important to that protagonist gets raped thats when it feels squeamish to me.(figures why i have a hard time reading stories with female protagonists)

docholladay

Then again any form of applied psychology is a form of mind control as well. The bad part is the person that skill is used on seldom knows its being done to them.

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