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Money, by Dual Writer...Deja Vu all over again?

Wheezer

It sure feels like I've read this story before.

I really like the majority of what DW writes, but this story is almost a do-over of the Chuck Johnson thread in Florida Friends. :/

Crumbly Writer

@Wheezer

I really like the majority of what DW writes, but this story is almost a do-over of the Chuck Johnson thread in Florida Friends.

It may be inspired by Chuck Johnson's fiction, in which case it won't vary much until later in the story, when he reaches a significant event where his characters and Chuck's respond differently.

Replies:   sejintenej
sejintenej

@Crumbly Writer

It may be inspired by Chuck Johnson's fiction, in which case it won't vary much until later in the story, when he reaches a significant event where his characters and Chuck's respond differently.

In his first action an onlooker referred to a difference in style where (my words) Chuck 2 is all yak yak and Chuck1 would have been bang bang.

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer

@sejintenej

In his first action an onlooker referred to a difference in style where (my words) Chuck 2 is all yak yak and Chuck1 would have been bang bang.

Lot's of bang-bang in Chuck 2 now.

Question: In S&S Nerd, Sal develops a very powerful laser rifle. Of course, the military shows a strong interest, but why hasn't Sal fitted out Chuck 1 & 2 with laser rifles?

Replies:   sejintenej
sejintenej

@Wheezer

Question: In S&S Nerd, Sal develops a very powerful laser rifle. Of course, the military shows a strong interest, but why hasn't Sal fitted out Chuck 1 & 2 with laser rifles?

You are joking of course.
1) When they tested first tested the prototype one shot took out an earth berm and the concrete backing which was capable of taking a tank round. Range seems to be line of sight - use it in a Marshals business and it would destroy the target and anything behind it for a couple of miles.

2) It's very hush hush, top secret etc. and to be kept under lock and key at all times

Strictly a sniper's weapon to be used in a carefully chosen location - not putting down some nasty individual who has just crossed from Mexico with all of Mexico behind him to be destroyed.

Replies:   samuelmichaels
samuelmichaels

@sejintenej

Strictly a sniper's weapon

Based on what you describe (it's been a while since I read that) it's less a sniper weapon than an anti-materiel or even anti-armor weapon.

Replies:   sejintenej
docholladay

It could be used for all of those things. Just the collateral damage is going to be huge. The laser wasn't stopped when the target was hit. It kept going no maximum range was given, if I remember right.

However Wes planes are beginning to be utilized in Chuck 2's business operations.

The charter services are being used in the LA Fun story as well. Crews were unnamed for those flights however.

sejintenej

@samuelmichaels

sejintenej
Strictly a sniper's weapon
Based on what you describe (it's been a while since I read that) it's less a sniper weapon than an anti-materiel or even anti-armor weapon.

As I understand it, when they got it tuned the beam width at 1000m was in the centimetre range, perhaps less. Of course it could be widened (as it was originally) but it was still a near surgical weapon (like when it sliced the wing off a plane in flight). Anti-armour, possibly but I don't know how long an individual "shot" could last to slice the turret off a fully armoured tank.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son
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@sejintenej


As I understand it, when they got it tuned the beam width at 1000m was in the centimetre range, perhaps less. Of course it could be widened (as it was originally) but it was still a near surgical weapon (like when it sliced the wing off a plane in flight). Anti-armour, possibly but I don't know how long an individual "shot" could last to slice the turret off a fully armoured tank.


Edited:

Why bother slicing the turret off even if you can?

A tank typically has a crew of 4; commander, driver, gunner, loader. There isn't a lot of spare room in a tank, so each crew member is in a more or less fixed position relative to the tank.

With a weapon like what is described, here are several possible tactics for taking out a tank:

1. 4 shots, one for each crew member will take the tank out of action.

Hit the driver first, the rest of the crew doesn't have good line of sight on the driver, then the gunner. The order for the last two doesn't matter as much.

2. One shot to the breach of the main gun, and the tank will blow, immediately if there is a round in the breach, they next time they fire if not.

3. One shot to the ammo magazine. Boom!

4. One shot to the fuel tank. Can you say burnt marshmallow? I knew you could.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@Dominions Son

That is probably the reason its not being used by either Chuck. The 50 can be labeled a sniper rifle, although the explosive ammo makes it a marginal public relations liability if the media learns of the capability.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@docholladay

The 50 can be labeled a sniper rifle, although the explosive ammo makes it a marginal public relations liability if the media learns of the capability.


What weapon are you referring to? The only 50 sniper rifle I can think of is the .50 caliber Barret sniper rifle. The .50 Barret uses .50 BMG ammo. It is no more explosive than any other rifle bullet.

There are rifle and pistol bullets referred to as "exploding" bullets. These bullets do not contain any kind of true explosive. They are designed to fragment on impact with each fragment going in a slightly different direction.

Most .50 BMG ammo however, is full metal jacket armor piercing ammo, the precise opposite of an "exploding" bullet.

Ernest Bywater

@Dominions Son

What weapon are you referring to? The only 50 sniper rifle I can think of is the .50 caliber Barret sniper rifle. The .50 Barret uses .50 BMG ammo. It is no more explosive than any other rifle bullet.


From:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#Military_cartridge_types

Cartridge, Caliber .50, High-Explosive Armor-Piercing-Incendiary (HEIAP), Mk 211 Mod 0

A so-called "combined effects" cartridge, the Mk 211 Mod 0 High-Explosive-Incendiary-Armor-Piercing (HEIAP) cartridge contains a .30 caliber tungsten penetrator, zirconium powder, and Composition A explosive. It can be used in any .50 caliber weapon in US inventory with the exception of the M85 machine gun. Cartridge is identified by a green tip with a grey ring.

Cartridge, Caliber .50, Armor-Piercing-Explosive-Incendiary (APEI), Mk 169 Mod 2

This cartridge is used against hardened targets such as bunkers, for suppressive fire against lightly armored vehicles, and ground and aerial threat suppression. It is generally fired either from pilot-aimed aircraft-mounted guns or anti-aircraft platforms both produced by FN Herstal.[15] It is identified by a gray over yellow tip.[16] A tracer variant of it also exists.

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These are very effective explosive round capable of being fired from most weapons that fires the .50 BMG - often fired from one of the many Barret rifles as an anti-vehicle round.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son
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@Ernest Bywater


.30 caliber tungsten penetrator, zirconium powder, and Composition A explosive. It can be used in any .50 caliber weapon in US inventory with the exception of the M85 machine gun. Cartridge is identified by a green tip with a grey ring.


Can't be very much explosive in it. A basic .50 BMG copper jacketed lead slug is only 42-50 grams. Given that the explosive is going to be significantly less dense than lead, there can't be more than a few grams of explosive in the round.

The vast majority of .50 BMG rounds are inert kinetic rounds.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
docholladay

@Dominions Son

What weapon are you referring to?


The weapon and ammo provided to both Chuck's by the Secret Service group they are linked with. It is one of Chuck 1's favorite rounds because of the damage it can do.

I never researched as to how much potential damage that round can do. But I think DW even mentioned differences in a couple of areas over standard rounds.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@docholladay

I should add that the details given about the round is the minimum needed for his stories. But as has been shown here, more information is available if a reader wants to look it up. Just enough detail to work in the story without being too technical.

Replies:   sejintenej
Ernest Bywater

@Dominions Son


Can't be very much explosive in it


Following the link on the wiki page you get to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211

The multipurpose name is based on the projectile having an armor-piercing (tungsten core), an explosive, and an incendiary component, thus making it capable of penetrating lightly armored targets and causing damage to personnel inside the target after penetration. It is a suitable round for engaging helicopters, aircraft and lightly armored vehicles, as well as unarmored vehicles, and it is capable of igniting jet fuel. The Mk 211 has about the same destructive power as a standard 20mm round against such targets.

...............

The wiki article has a drawing, but doesn't mention weights, although it does mention the explosive is RDX, one of the more powerful ones.

sharkjcw
Updated:

After checking several sources the most common .50 BMG bullet weight is 647 gr.. Some private company's make up to an 800 gr bullet.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@sharkjcw

The wiki article has a drawing, but doesn't mention weights, although it does mention the explosive is RDX


Actually, the explosive is composition A-4 which is a mixture of RDX and Wax. Composition A explosives are mostly used in artillery/cannon shells.

The standard plastic explosive that the military uses for field demolition is composition c-4 which is RDX mixed with a plasticizer and a binding agent.

RDX in it's pure state is a crystalline solid.

Of course, no matter how powerful a chemical explosive is, the less you use, the less bang you get.

LonelyDad

Just the tungsten core will do a lot of damage due to the molten metal flying around after penetration. Add in some explosive in an enclosed space like the passenger or engine compartment in a vehicle and one gets a lot of damage. Add in the flammable/explosive liquids available from the other damage, and there can be a lot of lot of damage.

docholladay

I might be going against the experts. But as a reader I like the way he keeps the tech to the minimum required for the story. Almost all the tech with the exceptions of Wes's planes (as an example). Can easily be researched for more details, just using the search engines. I know I will do that at times for things that sound interesting.

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer

@docholladay

I might be going against the experts. But as a reader I like the way he keeps the tech to the minimum required for the story. Almost all the tech with the exceptions of Wes's planes (as an example). Can easily be researched for more details, just using the search engines. I know I will do that at times for things that sound interesting.

My favorite of all the Florida Friends stories is S&S Nerd. I love the Sci-fi/future tech aspects of the story. DW has Sal & crew inventing things that don't exist yet, but are not too far outside the realm of possibility. I really hope there is at least one more story featuring Sal & crew in R&D and their inventions.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay
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@Wheezer


My favorite of all the Florida Friends stories is S&S Nerd. I love the Sci-fi/future tech aspects of the story. DW has Sal & crew inventing things that don't exist yet


I loved the way all the research and development tied together in so many ways. Even the windmill generators and other ideas mentioned at different points. Just from watching some of the scientific and history type channels, I have seen examples of alternate energy sources among others.

edited to add: Not that they are not invented already, just the idea of looking at them from a different perspective. That can fire up the imagination in many ways, while being very entertaining.

sejintenej

@docholladay

I should add that the details given about the round is the minimum needed for his stories. But as has been shown here, more information is available if a reader wants to look it up. Just enough detail to work in the story without being too technical.

Yes; when, in training, he first uses the 0.50 he tries an explosive round on a car and very seriously damages it.
In any case there are all sorts of ideas in use which modern technology has yet to catch up with like the friction-free aircraft material which results in Mach 2 aircraft which do not suffer from skin heating. aircraft flying at over mach 1 but not leaving the normal sounds on the terrain crossed, the ultra deadly laser in a rifle form.

Another writer tells of a couple of young girls (teenagers) making a railgun which is so effective it is seized by the state.
Authors are allowed to go beyond the present

Ernest Bywater

@sejintenej

the friction-free aircraft material which results in Mach 2 aircraft which do not suffer from skin heating


Current research by one group is a carbon fibre / composite body with a ceramic coating for the exterior - should be an interesting result if they get it working right

Wheezer

@sejintenej


Another writer tells of a couple of young girls (teenagers) making a railgun which is so effective it is seized by the state.

Authors are allowed to go beyond the present

Which story is that? Author's name. please?

richardshagrin
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@Wheezer

Community Too by oyster50

A Story in the Smart Girls Universe

The continuing adventures of Cindy and the gang at school and work and home.

I think the railgun was mostly work of pre-teenage girls.

Replies:   Wheezer
Dominions Son

@sejintenej

Another writer tells of a couple of young girls (teenagers) making a railgun which is so effective it is seized by the state.
Authors are allowed to go beyond the present


Unless it was in a man-portable rifle form, that's not so far beyond the present.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3311611/The-homemade-Star-Wars-style-railgun-rips-targets-fired-car.html

Ernest Bywater

@Wheezer

Which story is that? Author's name. please?


Starts with Community and flows to Community Too

http://storiesonline.net/s/73009/community

http://storiesonline.net/s/12085:i

some teen genuises come up with a simple railgun and sell it to the US government because they have some new ideas they copyrighted, and get involved with a gov't project on railgun design. And goes on from there.

Replies:   Capt Zapp
Capt Zapp

@Ernest Bywater

Starts with Community and flows to Community Too

http://storiesonline.net/s/73009/community

http://storiesonline.net/s/12085:i

some teen genuises come up with a simple railgun and sell it to the US government because they have some new ideas they copyrighted, and get involved with a gov't project on railgun design. And goes on from there.


Actually it starts well before the 'Community' stories, but the Super-genius teens from the individual stories Cindy, Nikki, and Tina, (and a couple of others I believe) come together and form the 'Community', and get Masters and Doctorates before they turn 18. 'Community' starts where they first come together and 'Community Too' actually was (if I remember correctly) Oyster50's effort to break the continuing story into a separate 'book' for easier reading.

All these stories are part of his 'Smart Girls' universe.
http://storiesonline.net/universe/711/smart-girls

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Capt Zapp


Actually it starts well before the 'Community' stories


The story arc does, but the railgun only comes into being in Community.

Replies:   Capt Zapp
Capt Zapp

@Ernest Bywater

I find the smart girls much more interesting than the rail gun. ;)

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Capt Zapp

I find the smart girls much more interesting than the rail gun. ;)


Personally, I prefer how Bot-bot behaves more fun. The wives are all way too predictable and repetitive in their behaviours 80% of the time.

Replies:   Capt Zapp
Capt Zapp

@Ernest Bywater

...I prefer how Bot-bot behaves...


Bot-Bot made me think of K-9 (Doctor Who) at first, but I think Bot-Bot will end up much better. He(?) already has more personality IMHO.

As for the wives being repetitive, I tend to agree. When one does something, it's not long before the others do too, right down to getting pregnant. Everything seems to go their way. What would happen if something happened to one of the pregnancies? Miscarriage? Premature delivery? Other complications? Not that I would want to hurt any of them, but it seems like the conflicts have all but disappeared. I am still waiting to see what happens with Tina's mother.

Anyway, I love all of the girls and will read about them for as long as Oyster keeps writing about them, which I hope is a long time.

Wheezer

@richardshagrin

Community Too by oyster50

A Story in the Smart Girls Universe


Thanks for that!

sejintenej
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@Capt Zapp


Not that I would want to hurt any of them, but it seems like the conflicts have all but disappeared. I am still waiting to see what happens with Tina's mother.


As to the first the plane she was flying has just had engine failure shortly after takeoff. Readers can imagine the gory details for themselves (or read the latest chapter!)

Tina's mum. To answer that would give the ignorant the answer to the above problem

As for BotBot I think he has gone as far as he can; he has a successor being designed / constructed / instructed

Another conflict waiting in the green room is when Congress learns about Auburn handing out advanced degrees willy-nilly to allegedly glamourous under dressed nubile under aged girls. (OK so Oyster50 does not make those adjectives; publicity-seeking politicians will so describe them)

Ernest Bywater

@Capt Zapp

When one does something, it's not long before the others do too, right down to getting pregnant


Also, they do things the same way time after time. Long ago I got to the point of skipping huge section because the sex scenes were repetitive and often gratuitous in regards to the story itself. I like the story and basic line, but too often i see a new chapter and think the sex scenes have been cut and pasted in, then a little changed just to push the word count because almost nothing actually happens in any of the plot lines.

Replies:   Uwe1860
Uwe1860

@Ernest Bywater

That's why I gave up on the story. One would think that girls that smart would have at least a little bit of imagination in the bedroom at some point.

Replies:   sejintenej
sejintenej

@Uwe1860

Uwe1860
@Ernest Bywater
That's why I gave up on the story. One would think that girls that smart would have at least a little bit of imagination in the bedroom at some point.

Is it described as a stroke story?

Oyster50 might not be an experienced bedroom Romeo or if he is then perhaps he doesn't want to boast. The stories are about other things than Wham, Bang, Thank you ma'am

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awnlee jawking

@Wheezer

Perhaps DW had ideas for Chuck Johnson's character which didn't quite fit. So now they're seeing the light of day as 'Always Finding Trouble: the next generation'.

AJ

richardshagrin

One flies high in the sky, the other is down on the ground, so we have up-Chuck and ground-Chuck.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@richardshagrin

One flies high in the sky, the other is down on the ground, so we have up-Chuck and ground-Chuck.


Too bad there's not a third Chuck living in a tree. He would be wood-Chuck.

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@Dominions Son

Chuck


Like many storytellers he seems to have favorite character names. If you read more of his stories, you will find that "Chuck Johnson" is a common character name.

Uwe1860

@sejintenej

Do you seriously think that the only other option to a story that features a lot of the same things is "Wham, Bang, Thank you ma'am?" Because, if so, I'd be happy to explain why you're wrong.

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