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Abaddon

Has anyone heard from Refusenik since his last blog post 3-3-2014?

Wheezer

He was discussed in a recent thread. Seems he's deeply involved in a new business venture and has no time for writing. I was told that he had been working on another novel - not a sequel to any of his previous stories. I hope he finds the time and the desire to finish it. I think I'd read anything new he writes. I just reread "Island Mine" a few days ago. :)

hillwig

I reread his stories also. I miss Jobe !!!

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@hillwig

Every dog has its day. A dog with a broken tail has a weak end.

Jobe was the strong, silent type. Not a lot of dialog. He pursued his goals doggedly.

LonelyDad

You and Jack Spratt should get together. You could trade one-liners all day over some Shiner Bock.

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shinerdrinker

@LonelyDad

Did someone say... Shiner Bock?

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LonelyDad
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@shinerdrinker

Yeah, isn't that what all the real men drink? I mean, the ones that can't get Fosters.

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Ernest Bywater

@LonelyDad

Yeah, isn't that what all the real men drink? I mean, the ones that can't get Fosters.


And the truly civilised sip their Southern Comfort bourbon.

Replies:   TeNderLoin  tppm
TeNderLoin

@Ernest Bywater

And the truly civilised sip their Southern Comfort bourbon.


Or their Irish Whiskey!
:)

LonelyDad

@TeNderLoin

I thought to the Irish it was Whisky.

Ernest Bywater

@TeNderLoin

Or their Irish Whiskey!


A true Irishman only drinks Guinness.

sejintenej

@Ernest Bywater

A true Irishman only drinks Guinness.

potcheen for Irish men

tppm

@Ernest Bywater

Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@tppm

Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?


Well, this is the interesting thing, when I used to drink a lot of Southern Comfort (a couple of decades back) every alcohol store and bar had it listed as a sour-mash bourbon whisky while wikipedia now lists it as a liqueur. In those days it was sold and drunk straight, on the rocks, with water or with coke. The colour in the picture in the wiki article isn't the same as what I used to drink here in Australia, close but not the same. But it's possible all that was imported here is what they list as the Special Reserve.

gyounger

@Ernest Bywater

Far be it for me to disagree,But if you ever have a taste of Red Breast single pot Irish whiskey you will never even think about Guinness,and this from a Texan who thought Shiner Bock or Jack Daniels Black Label was the ultimate in Adult Beverages!

Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

A true Irishman only drinks Guinness.

True Irishman, like most alcoholics, eventually drink anything they can get their hands on! (Sorry if I've offended any alcoholics. Hopefully you won't remember by the time you wake up.)

Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?

This is the first time I've ever seen Southern Comfort listed as a liqueur, which is normally a sweet concoction you use to finish a meal with. I'm not sure why wikipedia decided to label it as such. True, Southern Comfort has a distinct flavor, but it's hardly the syrupy goop which would qualify it as a liqueur.

Replies:   Dominions Son  tppm
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

This is the first time I've ever seen Southern Comfort listed as a liqueur, which is normally a sweet concoction you use to finish a meal with. I'm not sure why wikipedia decided to label it as such. True, Southern Comfort has a distinct flavor, but it's hardly the syrupy goop which would qualify it as a liqueur.


Probably because while it has a whiskey like flavor it is not a whiskey, bourbon or a scotch. In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense). Part of that definition is that whiskey and bourbon can not have any flavorings added post distillation.

According to Southern Comfort's own web site http://www.southerncomfort.com/history Southern Comfort is a bourbon mixed with a bunch of fruits and spices. So legally, they can't call it bourbon.

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richardshagrin

I first heard of southern comfort in connection with a drink concoction called "slow comfortable screw against the wall." In addition to SC it has sloe gin, orange juice and vodka and Harvey Wallbanger. OJ etc. is the screw(driver). SC is the comfort(able) part. I have no idea how it tastes. Likely sweet and highly alcoholic. It probably comes with a tiny umbrella.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Probably because while it has a whiskey like flavor it is not a whiskey, bourbon or a scotch. In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense). Part of that definition is that whiskey and bourbon can not have any flavorings added post distillation.

My contention is that a tiny amount of fruit in a hard liquor doesn't make it a liqueur! SC is a hard liquor, which is why it's sipped lowly rather than guzzled with umbrellas.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

My contention is that a tiny amount of fruit in a hard liquor doesn't make it a liqueur!


Quite frankly I agree with you, but the law says otherwise (and I have generally given up and accepted that the law in general will never make any sense), so they have to sell it as a liqueur.

Bondi Beach

@richardshagrin

called "slow comfortable screw against the wall."


An odd expression. I get "slow comfortable" but don't automatically associate it with "against the wall." I mean, isn't there a reason why it's a Harvey WallBANGER?

bb

LonelyDad

Another great Southern Comfort cocktail - the KOOL TOOL.

Take a Collins glass, add a couple ice cubes. Add one shot Southern Comfort and one shot Tequila. Make sure the shots are as even as possible. (You can use any amount you want as long as both are exactly the same) Add orange juice to fill and stir. If you got the shots right all you should taste is the OJ with a caramel underflavor.

tppm
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@Crumbly Writer


True Irishman, like most alcoholics, eventually drink anything they can get their hands on! (Sorry if I've offended any alcoholics. Hopefully you won't remember by the time you wake up.)


Note: Irishman who doesn't drink here. I don't know about offending alcoholics, but....

SC is a liqueur because it's sweetened. Specifically it's a bourbon liqueur, i.e. bourbon with sweeteners added.

If you want bourbon get yourself some Jack Daniels, or George Dickle, or Rebel Yell, etc.

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shinerdrinker

I wonder what Refusenik drinks, that way Abaddon could buy him a drink and find out what he has been doing since his last blog post on 3-3-2014.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@shinerdrinker

Some of his characters drink beer, or maybe because they are college kids, and that is what they can afford. The one I am thinking about owns a bar, nextdoor to his "apartment" (whole building) and is rich enough to drink anything. I may need to re-read the story and pay attention to his drinking preferences. He was a Marine, they will drink anything.

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Dominions Son

@tppm

f you want bourbon get yourself some Jack Daniels, or George Dickle, or Rebel Yell, etc.


Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not bourbon.

http://www.jackdaniels.com/whiskey/jack-daniels-old-no-7

Technically Tennessee Whiskey is made the same way a bourbon, but the Tennessee distillers eschew the use of the term bourbon to describe their products.

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer

@Dominions Son

Technically Tennessee Whiskey is made the same way a bourbon, but the Tennessee distillers eschew the use of the term bourbon to describe their products.

There are actual differences - some defined by law.

http://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/drinks/what-exactly-is-the-difference-between-bourbon-and-whiskey-20140905

Dominions Son

@Wheezer

There are actual differences - some defined by law.


Those differences are between Whiskey in general and bourbon. Tennessee Whiskey is something different then regular whiskey and it is closer to bourbon that it is to other whiskeys.

Tennessee whiskey is straight whiskey produced in Tennessee. Although it has been legally defined as a bourbon whiskey in some international trade agreements,[1][2][3] most current producers of Tennessee whiskey disclaim references to their products as "bourbon" and do not label them as such on any of their bottles or advertising materials. All current producers are required by Tennessee law to produce their whiskey in Tennessee and, with one exception, to also use a filtering step known as the Lincoln County Process prior to aging the whiskey; that aside, "Tennessee whiskey and bourbon have almost identical requirements [and] most Tennessee whiskeys meet the criteria for bourbon."[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_whiskey

Ernest Bywater

@Wheezer

There are actual differences - some defined by law.


And a part of the current confusion could be due to a law making a definition well after people are used to it being called something else.

Another alcohol related law from a couple of decades back made it unlawful to name a type of wine as 'Champagne' unless the grapes were grown in a specific part of France and made into wine in that same region. Yet, you can find better wines of the same flavour made from the same types of grapes grown in other countries. A case of a law passed to artificially keep prices up on a product. There are a few grape based products protected by similar laws. Now it seems we have some distilled products so protected as well.

LonelyDad

@richardshagrin

"Human Man", follows "Human Phoenix". Actually, he drinks very little. As he puts it, a social beer or two, usually water or iced tea.

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shinerdrinker

I actually called Refusenik on his bar needing to replace 2 cases of Bud. I told him no self respecting bar would go through 2 cases of Bud before Shiner Bock but he tried explain himself by saying

"Ah, well it's a very large '30 case' or so cooler. Our bartender just wanted to make sure he was topped off before the rush :-)"


But I digress. I am also totally ready for Refusenik's next offering. And if it is necessary... I'd consider drinking something rather than Shiner Bock.

(Cue the music)
Duh Duh Duhdun!

Grant

@Dominions Son

In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense).

Most likely related to excise or taxation; their application, and the exemptions to their application.

richardshagrin

@LonelyDad

I am re-reading HP (human phoenix) and his bar manager made him drink a shot of tequila, also once his residence was completed and decorated, a toast with some sparkling wine, may have been Champaign was drunk with his architect, contractor, interior designer and him. He took a bottle of "upscale" wine from the bar to his residence during the week his girlfriend was there and they drank it. I haven't finished the story yet, I agree mostly water and beer, but there is some variety of beverages drunk by the hero.

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