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sorrowdays127

For anyone who is interested in a challenge I just posted my first story to SOL I challenge you ask to read and review my story Before I cut it into chapters it's apparently 17! Pages in SOL reading format so who do ever what's to take the challenge leave a comment saying you accept and then after your done leave another consent and then review good luck and have fun in looking forward to the reviews and what you think of Shadow and Light: Book 1: Antar. http://storiesonline.net/s/17870/shadow-and-light-book-1-antar

Dominions Son
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I think you need to reconsider how you have the story tagged.

Is what you have posted the full story or will there be more?

A really long story can support more content tags, but shorter stories with lots of tags that actually try to deliver on all those tags tend to end up muddled messes.

Are all those tags really appropriate? In my opinion, that's too many tags if what you have posted is the complete story, particularly when you consider how many sex tags you are using on top of a story that is also tagged slow.

It's not just forgetting to tag something that squicks a reader that can cost you readers and get you a low score. Tagging for things that never show up on stage can have the same result.

While genre cross overs can work, not all genres are equally compatible, and making a story work with incompatible genre is a lot harder. You have the story tagged with both Science fiction (Aliens, space) and Paranormal tags (Vampires, Were animal). Personally, this is a combination that makes me hesitate.

M/M and Female dom/male sub aren't squicks for me exactly, but they don't do anything for me either. I might read a story that includes them if it's not and extensive part of the story, but in this case, there are too many other things I consider red flags just in the tag list.

Replies:   sorrowdays127
sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

I appreciate your comment and I understand about the tags I think that I did over do it a bit but the vamp were and aliens stuff actually fit it's kinda hard to explain without giving away the story line if you could read it and let me know what exactly tags you think I should use of me greatly appreciative :)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

vamp were and aliens stuff actually fit


Personally, I wouldn't consider alien shape shifters to be any sort of were-creature.

A were-creature to me is:

1. Inherently supernatural.
2. Limited to two or three forms, human (or possibly in this case alien humanoid), animal and/or a hybrid form.

Were creatures don't count a furries. A furry is a non-shape shifting anthropomorphic animal. This can be science fiction (genetic engineering/uplift) or supernatural in nature.

I can accept a non-supernatural vampire, however, an alien parasite that drinks blood, but doesn't have any of the strengths or weaknesses traditionally associated with supernatural vampires isn't a vampire.

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sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

Fair enough so how far have you gotten I am assuming you've read a bit but I can't tell if you will be reading the rest of it

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

Fair enough so how far have you gotten I am assuming you've read a bit but I can't tell if you will be reading the rest of it


I'm still not convinced it's worth reading any of it.

Replies:   sorrowdays127
sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

Well that's sad to hear I did take your suggestion and delete some tags

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son
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@sorrowdays127


Well that's sad to hear I did take your suggestion and delete some tags


I did decide to give the story a try.

Here's some early feed back.

The story description needs a lot of work.

It starts out on a world called antar which is the midst of an all out war between full Antarians and Other more "Star Born" Anatarians what happens you ask?


To me, this implies a civil war with a single alien species that has achieved interstellar travel, humans or aliens vs humans.

Yet, after just a few paragraphs, the action has moved to an apparently present day Earth (no interstellar travel, no practical, for civilians, inter=planetary travel) and human characters (possibly modified with alien DNA).

It's one thing to not give away a major plot twist at the end of the story. It's something entirely different when the story drastically deviates from what the description indicates with in just a few paragraphs.

I would go so far as to call the latter dishonest. It fundamentally deceives potential readers about the nature of the story.

On tags so far, There is sexual activity within the first third of a page. The slow tag is not appropriate.

Read the tag FAQ, learn what the tags mean, use them appropriately. http://storiesonline.net/docs/code_faq.php

Slow There is a story and plot development before any sex occurs. Not a stroke story.


Slow implies considerable plot and character development before sexual situations are introduced.

A flash scene of an alien civil war on an alien planet before jumping to present day Earth. Then on Earth we are barely introduced to 5 characters and only given a tiny glimpse of what is happening on earth before the story gets to sex just isn't enough to qualify.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Dominions Son

Okay, I've gotten a little further.

I've reached the part where Liz's parents are explaining things to her.

1. I wouldn't consider a were-bat to be a vampire even if it does drink blood.

2. It says they were wiped out. If a vampire isn't going to pop up later and this is the extent of it, no vampires ever on stage in the story, I would recommend dropping the vampire tag. You don't need to and in fact generally shouldn't tag for things that are mentioned but don't happen on-stage.

sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

Spoiler there will be true vamps later on

sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

And I've been thinking about the beginning my stuff I would like to keep the civil war part but idk how to change it up a bit

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

And I've been thinking about the beginning my stuff I would like to keep the civil war part but idk how to change it up a bit


Actually, I don't really think that scene is necessarily a problem, as long as the story description clearly indicates that most of the story takes place on Earth with human(ish) characters. Something that early in the story is not something to hold back as a potential spoiler.

Dominions Son

I just thought of something. The prophecy regarding Liz might be a good starting point for rewriting the description.

sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

Hmmm that's intriguing how far down on what page? Is it?

Replies:   Dominions Son
sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

Tell me what you think of the description now

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

Hmmm that's intriguing how far down on what page? Is it?


Middle of page 2.

Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

Tell me what you think of the description now


I think that will work well. A hint at the overall plot for the action set on earth without giving away the ending.

Replies:   sorrowdays127
sorrowdays127

@Dominions Son

True enough have you gotten further in the story yet?

Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

I'm up to the end of the kids first run in the woods, almost to the bottom of page 2.

sorrowdays127

Good I hope your enjoying it ;)

Dominions Son

@sorrowdays127

True enough have you gotten further in the story yet?


I just got to page 4. I'm enjoying the story so far.

sorrowdays127

XD I'm glad

robberhands

You correctly used the 'Fan Fiction' code. I never watched the TV-series 'Roswell' and also didn't read your story, so I can't assess how closely your storyline reflects the series. However, you are using the same names and apparently at least roughly the same story-line. I think it would be prudent to mention it somewhere and give credits to the creators of the TV-show.

REP

FYI to all - Lazeez removed the story due to plagiarism by sorrowdays127.

Crumbly Writer

Lazeez removed the story due to plagiarism by sorrowdays127.

No real author bursts onto the scene demanding that everyone here drop everything to help promote their works without learning how the site operates first. His claims sounded fishy from the very beginning. I'm surprised he even knew the story details himself.

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Bondi Beach

@Crumbly Writer

No real author bursts onto the scene demanding that everyone here drop everything to help promote their works without learning how the site operates first. His claims sounded fishy from the very beginning. I'm surprised he even knew the story details himself.


Take it from Selena Kitt: no real author uses "cum" as a verb, either.

bb

Tharos

Hello all, I am the original author to Shadow and Light. Published the complete story on a few Roswell Fanfic sites over ten years ago...actually thinking about it - it's been over thirteen years. From the looks of it, the story was copied from a site where the owner stopped doing updates on his site for personal reasons.

The completed work was 30 chapters, 290k words and back then...well proofing wasn't exactly something I did. I wrote then I posted. I know, it's bad of me.

Anyway, I never published anywhere else. Thankyou to Robberhand for pointing out Literotica. I've reported it and gone hunting for other sites. I don't mind people reposting, but outright plagerism...hell no.

Dominions Son

@Tharos

nal author to Shadow and Light. Published the complete story on a few Roswell Fanfic sites over ten years ago...actually thinking about it - it's been over thirteen years. From the looks of it, the story was copied from a site where the owner stopped doing updates on his site for personal reasons.

The completed work was 30 chapters, 290k words and back then...well proofing wasn't exactly something I did. I wrote then I posted. I know, it's bad of me.

Anyway, I never published anywhere else. Thankyou to Robberhand for pointing out Literotica. I've reported it and gone hunting for other sites. I don't mind people reposting, but outright plagerism...hell no.


Would you consider posting the whole thing here yourself? What I managed to read before it was taken down was a fairly enjoyable read.

Tharos

I have been considering it, but it will be as I edit it. Once upon a time I left it as is...that doesn't sit right with me anymore.

Switch Blayde
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@Tharos


Once upon a time I left it as is...that doesn't sit right with me anymore.


A breath of fresh air. Thank you.

(Not being a participant here, you probably don't know what I'm talking about. But good for you. Take pride in what you write.)

Vlad_Inhaler

@Tharos

There are ways of searching for editors on this site, the most obvious one being the Authors/Editors button right at the very top.
I don't know if 290k words will be a help or a hindrance on that front.

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AmigaClone

Granted, the fact that it's complete might be a help

Hopeless Writer

@Tharos

An interesting detail (at least to me): How did you prove you are the author, not the person who had posted it here? No, I don't want you to give away any secrets so the next pretender knows how to impersonate you better, just some tips what I could do to prove they're mine if anyone would "steal" my stories (fat chance).

Other people here might have tips too?

robberhands

@Hopeless Writer

If there is one advantage to posting a story from the get-go, that's it. That aside, any kind of evidence is permissible to prove your copyright - witnesses, documents, or even photographs.

REP

@Hopeless Writer

How did you prove you are the author


I can think of two proofs that a plagiarist cannot use:

1. One way would be for him to contact the webmaster of the site where he posted the story, explain the situation, and have the webmaster contact Lazeez.

2. He and Lazeez could exchange messages via his account on sexstories.com where he posted the story.

There are probably several additional methods that would prove he is the author.

Ernest, Switch, and others - what sort of proof have you been asked to provide to prove you are the author of your plagiarized stories, if not confidential

Switch Blayde

@REP

Switch, and others - what sort of proof have you been asked to provide to prove you are the author of your plagiarized stories,


I sent the webmaster the link to where my story was. The date posted was the proof.

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sunkuwan
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@Switch Blayde


I sent the webmaster the link to where my story was. The date posted was the proof.


That's... all?

Let's say You post on a different website years later and some troll just contacts the webmaster of the different website and tells him he is the original author etc. etc.

Even more horrible, just imagine you posted your story on a site that isn't operable anymore, the webmaster is not responding and you can't log into your account anymore, or if you can, you can't send anything from it or post anything.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@sunkuwan

That's... all?


When it happened, I had my own story site. People were stealing my stories and posting them on Literotica. I didn't even know it until fans contacted me. So all I did was contact the Literotica webmaster and provided the link to my site where the story was posted.

For all I know I have other stories floating out there, maybe even on Literotica.

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awnlee jawking

@Switch Blayde

That worked?

It didn't work for me. One of my SOL stories has been stolen and posted on Literotica and the webmaster didn't respond to my e-mail.

AJ

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Switch Blayde

@awnlee jawking

That worked?


This was many years ago.

Ernest Bywater
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@REP


Ernest, Switch, and others - what sort of proof have you been asked to provide to prove you are the author of your plagiarized stories, if not confidential


Links to earlier postings showing a prior prior date works for most. With Amazon they insisted I start an account, so I had my son send from his account a DRM takedown notice with authority from me plus the links, then they acted.

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REP

@Ernest Bywater

Glad it worked for you.

If I were Amazon and someone filed a DRM takedown notice, I would have wanted that someone to prove 2 things:

1. Ernest Bywater's copy of the story predated the plagiarist's.

2. You are Ernest Bywater.

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sejintenej

Ernest; I reckon REPs first suggestion is probably the b e s t (get a link between the other webmaster and Lazeez) Does Amazon do a plagarism check?

That said Sorrowdays127' earlier web entry just could be plagarism though we would hope/doubt otherwise.

Sorrowdays127; I missed it before it was taken down but respectable authors here reckoned it was at least OK so please try to get the origin sorted out and post here, edited or otherwise.

Dominions Son

@sejintenej

That said Sorrowdays127' earlier web entry just could be plagarism though we would hope/doubt otherwise.


The original author who complained to Lazeez has come forward publicly on this forum.

According to that person:

The original was posted only to a Roswell fan fiction site 10 years ago predating even the posting to Literotica.

The original is much larger than what Sorrowdays127 posted at 290K words.

Sorrowdays127 is no longer showing in the author list, so he has nothing else posted here and since he originally tried to deny the accusation in the forum, but since he has not been heard from since the 13th on any of the threads, I suspect that Lazeez killed his entire account.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Vlad_Inhaler

I don't know if 290k words will be a help or a hindrance on that front.


@AmigaClone

Granted, the fact that it's complete might be a help

Personally, from my own experience, I'd take the time, since it's completed, to revise it and remove all the subplots and affairs which don't directly contribute to the plot, either as character development or plot advancement.

That will reduce the overall size, otherwise the 290K size might intimidate editors.

My other suggestion, from self-publishing 16 books with more on the way, I'd repackage the story into a series. That will allow you to edit and release in a measured pace, while giving yourself time to work on the rest while building you fan base.

If you want some guidance into how to break a prolonged story into separate books, we can talk, but there's a specific process that I use which I've found successful.

Crumbly Writer

@Hopeless Writer

Other people here might have tips too?

@robberhands

If there is one advantage to posting a story from the get-go, that's it. That aside, any kind of evidence is permissible to prove your copyright - witnesses, documents, or even photographs.

The best bet is a history of revisions to show how the story evolved over time, although few keep that types of records, only keeping the latest versions.

Publishing (which posting online is considered as far as copyright goes) is the best proof, especially since the site's owner/publisher can vouch for your ownership of the work. However, once I know that my story is likely to finish, I create an ISBN entry on Bowker (since I ultimately intend to publish). That's considered proof of content ownership, especially since you have the option of posting the actual content for verification purposes. Other than that, filing a copyright claim is another option, though that'll cost you $57 a pop.

However, there's a big difference between being able to PROVE copyright ownership, and being able to DO anything about it. In most cases, the guilty parties aren't typically law-abiding citizen, often residing (or posting) in Eastern-block countries who don't listen to copyright claims from most countries. I had an issue from someone who stole my cover, 'published' copies of my story with nothing but links to other pages (each link clicked fed him page shares, otherwise known as click-bait). He lived right here in the U.S., but without hiring a high-priced copyright attorney to send him a polite cease-and-desist letter, there wasn't much I could do about him.

Crumbly Writer

@REP

Ernest, Switch, and others - what sort of proof have you been asked to provide to prove you are the author of your plagiarized stories, if not confidential

Since I publish under two different names (my real name for my published works and Crumbly Writer for my free postings), I get asked this periodically (ex: "We noticed that this story is available online under a different name. We need to verify that you're the actual author of this work, etc.).

It's generally not difficult to straighten it out, since the thieves rarely put in the work to document any claim to their non-work. Thieves are lazy, they're only interested in either quick bucks or rapid attention, and aren't interested in doing any actual work. Most of the time they've copied my stories, they either stole my cover, complete with my name, or they created a two-bit cover, again using the same title, so it's easy to validate I was the original publisher.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

Sorrowdays127 is no longer showing in the author list, so he has nothing else posted here and since he originally tried to deny the accusation in the forum, but since he has not been heard from since the 13th on any of the threads, I suspect that Lazeez killed his entire account.

Good riddance! The default response of the scoundrel is denial, as it's easy and people prefer to believe in conspiracies, but when push comes to shove, they invariable jump ship and run. Cheaters thrive in the dark, they run at the first sign of light.

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Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

Good riddance!


Agreed.

The default response of the scoundrel is denial, as it's easy


True, though in many cases I think the accused should be given an opportunity to present their own side, that should be handled privately with Lazeez, if they can back their claims with real evidence.

and people prefer to believe in conspiracies,


I've never understood that.

Ernest Bywater

@REP

Glad it worked for you.


The link to SoL proved good enough for them since it had a prior date stamp. However, I suspect it was a link to free story site did more for them acting than anything else.

I provided a statement for my son to use on his account, and they accepted that.

Ernest Bywater

@sejintenej

Does Amazon do a plagarism check?


No, and I don't think Patreon do, either.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

No, and I don't think Patreon do, either.

None of the self-publishing sites do, just like most of the web, it's all 'honor based'. They won't take action until someone complains, though they're mostly good about responding to legitimate evidence you're innocent. In fact, they're a bit too ready to accept evidence that you're the original owner even without proof, so it's better to have if it becomes a fight between two competing claims. Again, they mostly count on the thieves giving up and going home rather than sticking around and putting up a fight.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

They won't take action until someone complains, though they're mostly good about responding to legitimate evidence you're innocent.


I've no problem with that, but there's no way i can check what's being pushed on Patreon. To check what an author is putting out I have to sign up for them then look at what they're putting out, then do this author by author. In short, it's not possible for me to check what's there to see if I should be complaining about. Thus the thieves get a clear run.

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