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Story Archiving is now online

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

As per the previous thread, story archiving has now been completed.

As promised, I created a page that shows what stories are going to be archived next. The stories are announced a week ahead of being actually put in the archive.

The page is linked from home page and it's located here:

http://storiesonline.net/library/about-to-be-archived.php

Depending on your access level, the page shows 5700+ or 6600+ stories pending archival. I expect that the page will be vacant most of the time as most stories won't go into the archives for a long time, even ones where the authors haven't posted anything in years.

Replies:   Lumpy  Oyster
Lumpy

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Can an author keep his/her story from being archived?

Dominions Son

@Lumpy

Can an author keep his/her story from being archived?


Yes. Per the other thread, The stories to be archived are stories from authors who have not logged into the site for at least 5 years.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
sunkuwan

Will the stories come back if the author logs into his account after they were archived?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Lumpy

Can an author keep his/her story from being archived?


Yes, don't stay away from the site for more than 5 years in one stretch.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@sunkuwan

Will the stories come back if the author logs into his account after they were archived?


Yes.

Oyster
Updated:

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Thanks for that function.

One question though:

The archival search is limited to five pages for free members which makes it, sadly, not very helpful for this week. Is it possible to remove that restriction without much effort?

The "archiving" only means that the stories are available for paying subscribers only, they do not get deleted/removed, sunkwuan.

Edited:

Removed statements that were proven false while I was typing.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Oyster

The archival search is limited to five pages for free members which makes it, sadly, not very helpful for this week. Is it possible to remove that restriction without much effort?


Yes, done.

Replies:   Oyster
Crumbly Writer
Updated:

@Dominions Son


Yes. Per the other thread, The stories to be archived are stories from authors who have not logged into the site for at least 5 years.


i.e. If an author doesn't want his stories archived, it's his obligation not to die, otherwise his wishes no longer matter. :(

Note: The most obvious solution to this is to make arrangements with either your family or your editors to sign into your account periodically if you pass-on just to keep your stories in front of readers (that's assuming your editors don't pass on before you do!).

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Crumbly Writer

If an author doesn't want his stories archived, it's his obligation not to die


Or said author could make sure that his/her heirs know about his/her SOL account and stories.

Replies:   REP
REP

@Dominions Son

Or said author could make sure


Didn't Lazeez mention that authors could make arrangements ahead of time to keep their stories in the FREE area, if they become unreachable.

Oyster

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Thank you very much.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@REP

Didn't Lazeez mention that authors could make arrangements ahead of time to keep their stories in the FREE area, if they become unreachable.


No. It's not me who said that.

Replies:   Oyster
Oyster
Updated:

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

REP probably misinterpreted the following statement (from the linked thread) to mean that author's could opt out of the archiving rule:


4 - Active authors who don't like the policy can easily opt out, and ask any author how responsive I am usually to removal requests.


But you've already clarified that it is binding and how to prevent it from going into effect here in this thread.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Interesting. Today two authors have come back to the site because of this news. News travel fast I guess.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Interesting. Today two authors have come back to the site because of this news. News travel fast I guess.

Now that's good news! Was that because of the new messaging system, or the revised email notification (in your best-guess mode, of course).

Whatever draws in the most authors/readers is best for everyone at the site (i.e. more readers is best for the site, while more authors leads to more readers, thus more authors indirectly benefit the site.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Crumbly Writer

Now that's good news! Was that because of the new messaging system, or the revised email notification (in your best-guess mode, of course).


According to both messages it was about the archiving feature. Neither mentioned anything about the notification. If an author doesn't have unread messages, then they don't get notified. So somebody who had their email addresses sent them messages about their stories being on the to-be-archived list.

Crumbly Writer

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

According to both messages it was about the archiving feature. Neither mentioned anything about the notification.

Interestinger and interestinger (to quote the old "Rowan and Martin" sketch comedy routine). That means you retained the authors you lost because of the switch over to the new messaging system, rather than winning those who'd quit the site earlier.

Either way, ALL the changes help authors, readers and the site, and the many changes rectify the majority of issues any of us have had with it.

As always, well-done Lazeez. You manage to address all of our minor whines (best served with wine, of course).

I for one, can easily live with the current system.

Switch Blayde

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

If I never log out of SOL, does that mean I'm active (thinking about the 5 year inactivity)?

Or do I have to periodically log out and then log back in?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Switch Blayde

The 'log out' and 'log in' function is function of the browser. To log in you identify yourself and ask the site to give your browser a cookie. To log out, you delete that cookie.

If you don't visit the site, it doesn't matter if the cookie is set in your browser, the site keeps record of the last visit. If the last visit is more than 5 years ago, then you're gone for that period of time and the new rule applies.

You/your heirs have to visit for it to count.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

If you don't visit the site, it doesn't matter if the cookie is set in your browser, the site keeps record of the last visit.


OK, just checked my story stats. I'm safe for another 5 years. :)

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Switch Blayde

OK, just checked my story stats. I'm safe for another 5 years. :)

Time for a long nap, in that case.

Crumbly Writer

By the way, since my last blog generated a TON of responses, I can authoritatively post, with the new email update, I no longer need the archival facility. I plan to copy over the few from before I set up my most recent settings and then delete my entire archival records.

docholladay

I know this might be a dumb idea, but wouldn't the list be shorter if just the author's names were listed with links to their blog pages? Especially since it appears to be all the stories by a given author.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@docholladay

I know this might be a dumb idea, but wouldn't the list be shorter if just the author's names were listed with links to their blog pages? Especially since it appears to be all the stories by a given author.

That makes sense, especially since the user could click on the link to read the story description. Oh, wait, they can't!

Replies:   docholladay
docholladay

@Crumbly Writer

That makes sense, especially since the user could click on the link to read the story description. Oh, wait, they can't!


Yes they can. Its the first page of the SOL author's blog page. It includes a complete listing of all your stories with the descriptions used when posting. The list is broken up into 10 story titles per page with additional pages until every story is listed. Clicking your name I find you have 13 stories on SOL making two pages for the complete list. Of course some writers were fantastically proliferate with well over a hundred stories to their credit.

Try it just click on the writer/author's name for any story listing and it will open the first page automatically.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@docholladay

Try it just click on the writer/author's name for any story listing and it will open the first page automatically.

Sorry, I was assuming you were suggesting clicking on the story link, not the author link (which I didn't even consider, duh!).

You're right, that would work and would allow most of the revised list to fit on a single page (hopefully).

docholladay

@Crumbly Writer

You're right, that would work and would allow most of the revised list to fit on a single page (hopefully).


I took one look at the listing and found it was too darn big and mixed up. It just seemed that the name of the writer would be simpler since that is what the story archiving is based on anyway.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Crumbly Writer

You're right, that would work and would allow most of the revised list to fit on a single page (hopefully).


At ~2000 authors it would be one huge page.

This one is overwhelming because it's the first one ever and there are many authors, but in the future it will mostly empty most of the time and once in a while one author would be archived and most don't have that many stories for it to be cumbersome.

AmigaClone

Lazeez,

I have one question based on a story I noticed was on the list. If a story has multiple authors but at least one of them has been active in the past 5 years should it still be archived?

The story that brought that question to mind was

http://storiesonline.net/s/10724/issue-wife-concluded-science-fiction-story
Issue Wife - Concluded was started by D.A. Porter and later on finished by aubie56.

That is currently in the "to be archived" list even though the author who finished it is still active (finished his last story last week.)

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)
Updated:

@AmigaClone


If a story has multiple authors but at least one of them has been active in the past 5 years should it still be archived?


Good question.

The system keeps track of that. When it's time to actually archive the stories the algorithm checks whether there are no additional active authors and if there are, the story is marked as not for archiving and will be removed from that list, and it stays in front of the premier wall.

So for your example, that story next week will go away from the to-be-archived list and won't be archived until a time when aubie stays away from the site for more than 5 years.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

So for your example, that story next week will go away from the to-be-archived list and won't be archived until a time when aubie stays away from the site for more than 5 years.

So a possible solution is to periodically add a younger, healthier author to post corrections to the story, just to keep it active for longer in case something happens to the author?

seanski1969
Updated:

On the topic of multiple authors I have seen the opposite of what Lazeez is claiming. Rebirth by John Wales & Wires & Dr. Stan is listed to be archived yet Rebirth II, by John Wales, nor any other of his stories are listed. This seems to be very common among stories with multiple authors. I listed only one but there were others that I noted.

I know that Lazeez probably doesn't want to hear this but as a free reader I guess I should say it because as I have begun to browse the forums they seem to be filled with regular authors whom I understand get upgraded to premier: I feel like Lazeez is BURNING BOOKS. Sorry to be so blunt, as a poor person on very limited income I literally would have to not eat for a day and a half to afford to become a member at the yearly rate. All these authors who wrote wanted their stories out there to be read. This will be lost to me so essentially Lazeez is burning those books on me. Is this right or wrong I can't say. I understand costs and choices, I just think that authors made a choice when they uploaded their works to Lazeez's care that they wanted them available for free. They could have uploaded them to asstr.org or some other site but entrusted their work to Lazeez. So he has chosen whether right or wrong to profit from their work or restrict the viewership when originally it was to be for all.

Like I said I know not all people will agree with me but this is happening.

One last note of a story listed for archival "The Count of Monte Cristo" by Alexandre Dumas. I'm not sure who uploaded this but definitely not Alexandre Dumas who passed away in 1870 did not. I had never read it before and truly enjoyed it, but alas this novel will be archived also. Such shame.

Just my two cents.

Please don't delete my account Lazeez?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@seanski1969

I understand costs and choices


Do you?

Long term the site's future is uncertain (it never is). But this may help give it a boost as I hope it would help stabilize the site's income.

Things are not urgent by any means, but I prefer to smooth out the bumps in the road, and this step is taken in the hope that it would help stave off large fluctuations in income and hopefully ensure a long and prosperous future.

So the question to you would be, which would you prefer? 17% less accessible stories (7000 behind the premier wall), and now 34,000+ free, or a crappy experience with many intrusive ads or no site at all?

Considering the rate you've accessed stories since you started on the site, it would take you more than 23 years to read the 34,000+ stories you haven't accessed yet. I'm sure that in 23 years we would have accumulated more free stories for you to read.

Crumbly Writer
Updated:

@seanski1969


I know that Lazeez probably doesn't want to hear this but as a free reader I guess I should say it because as I have begun to browse the forums they seem to be filled with regular authors whom I understand get upgraded to premier: I feel like Lazeez is BURNING BOOKS. Sorry to be so blunt, as a poor person on very limited income I literally would have to not eat for a day and a half to afford to become a member at the yearly rate. All these authors who wrote wanted their stories out there to be read. This will be lost to me so essentially Lazeez is burning those books on me. Is this right or wrong I can't say.


I'm sure Lazeez won't delete your account over this, as he KNEW going in that he was unlikely to garner many new Premium members with this. Instead, it seems it's more of an effort to 'erase' the adjustment bias which has accumilated over the years, where older authors almost routines got 9s and 10s, while newer authors have trouble achieving 7s and 8s due the score adjustments Lazeez has implemented over the years. As such, it's more an effort to be 'fair' to new authors more than it's an effort to 'burn books' (i.e. get most of the stories on a level playing field).

As an alternative, rather than considering investing in a yearly subscription, try reviewing the list of 'soon to be archived' stories, see which one's you like and get recommendations of which of those stories others recommend, then get the smallest subscription (either 14-day or a month, I believe) and download the lot.

If you do that periodically, you'll be able to read whatever you want, without paying an exorbitant amount, and everyone wins. I KNOW that's not ideal for you, but it at least makes the stories 'reachable' and you can aim for a big story exposition (or ask family for 'book gift money) to fund it. But that's the best alternative I can think of.

By the way, "The Count of MC" is one of the 'free books' Lazeez uses to beef-up his story content. He no longer does it on SOL, but continues to do it on FS and especially Sci-Fi since the stories are scarce there. Again, it's an effort to prune the content to make the more recent stories by SOL authors more appealing to SOL readers, rather than an attempt to 'steal' books that are already free to anyone who wants them. Just sayin'

Correction: Given Lazeez's refutation, I'll change my 'it's more an effort to ...' argument, though I still maintain that's a worthy byproduct of the move. Lazeez does need to ensure enough incoming funds to keep the site operational over time, but he's trying to minimize the impact on the majority or readers.

seanski1969

I meant no disrespect to Lazeez. I do understand choices over money. Like I said I live below poverty and you won't or don't believe the choices I make.

Enough of that though. I still wonder if Lazeez caught the first part of my post regarding multiple authors and the fact their stories are listed for archiving even though authors singular stories aren't listed like John Wales Rebirth series? Also Anonymous with multiple other authors. (not sure when they were last on site) Just seems to be an abundance of multiple authors listed. Seems a shame that Great series such as Burr and Battlemage will be gone along with Marsh Alien's "A Stitch in Time". The previous I'm sure is listed on either the All Time Classics or Authors Favorites.

And JoeJ's "Honkeytonk Heroes", "El Paso", "Silverwings" ,and "Twice Lucky" series will also disappear.

I was just highlighting stories that if posted today would still be solid 8 pluses.

I know I'm speaking against the wind...

To Lazeez personally I think you do an excellent service to the public and don't take it personally I just was expounding a view that you may not have regarded. Please keep up your work and I am appreciative of all that you do. :)

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@seanski1969

I still wonder if Lazeez caught the first part of my post regarding multiple authors and the fact their stories are listed for archiving even though authors singular stories aren't listed like John Wales Rebirth series?


I did. It's been answered before. Those stories won't get archived until the last participating author is absent for 5 years.

Switch Blayde

@Crumbly Writer

Instead, it seems it's more of an effort to 'erase' the adjustment bias which has accumilated over the years, where older authors almost routines got 9s and 10s, while newer authors have trouble achieving 7s and 8s due the score adjustments Lazeez has implemented over the years.


I doubt that.

docholladay

@Crumbly Writer

By the way, "The Count of MC" is one of the 'free books' Lazeez uses to beef-up his story content. He no longer does it on SOL, but continues to do it on FS and especially Sci-Fi since the stories are scarce there. Again, it's an effort to prune the content to make the more recent stories by SOL authors more appealing to SOL readers, rather than an attempt to 'steal' books that are already free to anyone who wants them.


I think books like this one fall into the public domain category. I am not sure but the copy rights have probably expired on all of them. I highly doubt Laz would add books which were still under a copy right.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

@seanski1969

The technical quality of your post is very good. Have you considered earning Premier status by writing stories?

AJ

REP

@seanski1969

We all worked for an employer or were self employed; this site is Lazeez profession and it is how he earns his living.

Lazeez is "selling" all of the site's members the opportunity to read stories for free with a relatively low story access limitation on the Free Membership accounts. Lazeez is also providing a set of features and virtually unlimited access to the stories posted to the site for a fee. That fee is what pays his personal and business's bills.

seanski1969

@awnlee_jawking

Thanks for the compliment but sadly I'm just a college grad with poor creative writing skills. I have listed myself as an available editor but have received no responses.

Anyone wanting a good editor just let me know and I will be glad to help.

Replies:   REP  Crumbly Writer
REP
Updated:

@seanski1969


sadly I'm just a college grad with poor creative writing skills.


I am a high school grad who had no creative writing skills. Around the time I turned 45, I developed a desire to be a story teller and started writing. I was atrocious, but life intervened and sidetracked me. I am now 70, so it took me about 20 years from the time I tried to write my first story until I posted/published my first story.

If you want to be an author and earn that Premier Membership, there are people on this site who will work with you and help you develop the skills you need to succeed. I recognize my weaknesses and faults as an Author, but I persevere and produce reasonably acceptable stories. You can do the same if you want to put in the effort.

Edited to add: The first story I tried to write is my story Time Scope. Part 1 is my original concept, and Part 2, currently being posted, is a result of my readers asking for a sequel.

Crumbly Writer

@seanski1969

Enough of that though. I still wonder if Lazeez caught the first part of my post regarding multiple authors and the fact their stories are listed for archiving even though authors singular stories aren't listed like John Wales Rebirth series?

I think you misread the triggering post. Lazeez explained that, with multiple authors, as long as a single author remained alive and active on the site, the book would remain active (unless they place it behind the paywall themselves). Thus just because one author's books are available free doesn't mean that ALL of his will be. Instead, it's tied to their activity on the site and/or desire to remove their material from the site. :(

Crumbly Writer

@docholladay

I think books like this one fall into the public domain category. I am not sure but the copy rights have probably expired on all of them. I highly doubt Laz would add books which were still under a copy right.

That's exactly what he's doing, which was my point: that you can get those same stories for free online with a little searching. It's the SOL authors we're (readers) are primarily concerned with.

@Switch

I doubt that.

I qualified my initial supposition after Lazeez corrected me. I was mistaken, though, for practical purposes, it's effectively how the system functions, even if that's not it's intent, so I still see it as benefiting newer authors over those long gone from the site.

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Crumbly Writer

@seanski1969

Thanks for the compliment but sadly I'm just a college grad with poor creative writing skills. I have listed myself as an available editor but have received no responses.

Anyone wanting a good editor just let me know and I will be glad to help.

Don't discount you skills. I never studied writing or English, since I never saw myself as an author. It was only after I was disabled, and shuffled my medication enough to become functional again, that I started searching for something to do.

Since I've always read a lot, I've got a decent grasp of English and my accumulated life-experiences give me decent storytelling skills. The rest is just practice and hard work (and helpful input from authors on the forum and volunteer editors).

As for editing, the editing site is notoriously hard to get jobs from. Your best bet in volunteering is to contact authors you admire, suggest corrections, and if they like your eye (i.e. you don't make that many mistakes), they may ask you to edit for them.

That system works, because they'll ask you WHEN they need you, they already know you like their work, are familiar with their writing style, and don't object to their story topics, which counts for a lot!

Unfortunately, editors aren't eligible for the Premium services, only authors and reviewers (for some odd reason). I can see not treating them the same as authors, but I'd give them partial credit, at least.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

Unfortunately, editors aren't eligible for the Premium services, only authors and reviewers (for some odd reason). I can see not treating them the same as authors, but I'd give them partial credit, at least.


I can see how Lazeez can have ready stats on who writes a story and on who writes a review, but how does he get reliable information on who edited a story? Can't be done, so he doesn't try.

However, I have dealt with that myself by giving Lazeez a list of my editors and asking how many were using a free account, and then I bought those on a free account a year's subscription as a Thank you for the work they do for me. That's something all author can do. But note it takes a couple of emails to Lazeez to organise it right, so touch base with him for how to do it. I hope you soon introduces an easy way to buy a gift subscription, but that will take work and coding, and he has other priorities to deal with first.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

However, I have dealt with that myself by giving Lazeez a list of my editors and asking how many were using a free account, and then I bought those on a free account a year's subscription as a Thank you for the work they do for me. That's something all author can do. But note it takes a couple of emails to Lazeez to organise it right, so touch base with him for how to do it. I hope you soon introduces an easy way to buy a gift subscription, but that will take work and coding, and he has other priorities to deal with first.

That's an intriguing thought. I typically send my editors a copy of my published works, sort of as a 'brag book' so they can tell their families "See, I wasn't wasting my time on a porn site, I was creating something". But purchasing them a free-subscription sounds even better (if a bit trickier). They can't brag about it, but they do get the free porn! 'D

seanski1969

@Crumbly Writer

The original point I was trying to make regarding multiple authors was about Rebirth by John Wales & Wires & Dr. Stan. I was pointing out that if you sort the "To Be Archived List" by size and descending that on #85 is listed Rebirth by John Wales & Wires & Dr. Stan.

As I posted earlier it was just to inform Lazeez that the story remained on his list to be archived and that none of John Wales other stories happened to be listed.

I understood what Lazeez said that as long as one author logged on in the past 5 years then the story wouldn't be archived. I also understand an authors prerogative to place any stories in Premium Only.

I only wanted Lazeez to know that his query had selected that story to be selected to be included on the to be archived list. If it wasn't supposed to appear; I didn't want Lazeez to use the same query when performing the mass archival.

I hope this properly addresses my original post as I can't see how much clearer I could be. Just was trying to perform a service of a possible glitch in his original parameters which generated the listing of items to be archived.

Oh well. Enough of my mindless mutterings.

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Ernest Bywater

@seanski1969

The original point I was trying to make regarding multiple authors was about Rebirth by John Wales & Wires & Dr. Stan. I was pointing out that if you sort the "To Be Archived List" by size and descending that on #85 is listed Rebirth by John Wales & Wires & Dr. Stan.


In an earlier post on this subject, I'm not sure which thread, Lazeez did say the initial algorithm had a minor issue in it listed a few stories where one author had been absent and he had fixed the code to check all authors first. He also said that some stories on the list won't be archived because that will be done via the new code and some listed now will drop out of the process when the new code is run.

seanski1969
Updated:

Yes Ernest I did read that post. I actually watched that day and the next as the To Be Archived list changed between 2131 approx stories and 6799 approx stories. I was figured that was Lazeez making changes to what data was generated by his changes to his query. I was just saying that as of today; Rebirth is still in the query. It was meant to be informative with no judgment of whether or not it should be included, only as an example of possible problems on a multi-author story still being included in the listing.

Whether it matters or not, I hope that Lazeez appreciates a reader informing him of a possible glitch, I don't truly know.

REP

@seanski1969

Rebirth is still in the query.


If I recall Lazeez also said that it would take several weeks before his algorithm finalized the listing and stories that should not be listed should be deleted.

AmigaClone

@Ernest Bywater

In his reply to my original post mentioning a specific example of a story with multiple authors, Lazeez mentioned that prior to archiving the algorithm will check to see if any of the authors have signed on in the past 5 years.

It's possible that the original algorithm might not have checked for multiple authors - just checked to see if more than 5 years have passed since an author has signed on, and if that is the case putting all the stories that are not already premium only or already on the "to be archived" list there.

On the other hand, the "archive" algorithm will check all the authors of a story and if any are found that have been active in the past 5 years then that story remains in the free area, otherwise it gets moved to the premium area. This also would catch cases where an author who has some of his stories put on the list returns after a 5 year absence.

In July 1, SOL turns 18 - some of the stories being "archived" were posted (or started posting) that day.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

He also said that some stories on the list won't be archived because that will be done via the new code and some listed now will drop out of the process when the new code is run.

The 'new code' runs when they remove the active stories, the 'old code' was what initially created the lists, thus the mistakes would be 'self-correcting' and wouldn't need adjusting.

Crumbly Writer

@seanski1969

I was just saying that as of today; Rebirth is still in the query.

Since Lazeez assures us the author is still logging onto the site, and that that's the only story affected (or was it? I seem to remember it wasn't on the sorted list), the only conclusion would be that the author chose for it to be archived.

madnige
Updated:

For anyone like me who wants/needs an offline copy of the list to peruse, the list can be saved (under linux) by copying the following into a script (batch file) and running it:

mkdir archlistbystory

for archivepage in {1..680}

do

curl "http://storiesonline.net/library/about-to-be-archived.php?sf=alpha&so=asc&p=$archivepage" > archlistbystory/ArchList$archivepage.htm

done

..substituting the 680 by whatever is the maximum page if lower (look at the line "Displaying stories X through Y of Z", round the Z figure up to the next multiple of 10).

curl is available free for DOS/MSWin, and the MS for loop construct is something like

FOR /L %%archivepage IN (1,1,680) DO command

though I think there may be problems capturing the curl commands outputs to separate files

If you'd prefer the list to be sorted by author rather than story title, change 'alpha' to 'author_name'; for by-score change it to 'story_score' and for by-size to 'story_size' although for the last two it would also be good to sort in descending order (largest first) by changing 'so=asc' to 'so=desc'

2017-06-21 ETA:
SOL has something odd going on here as the list fetched by the above has about 10% fewer stories than by going to the site in a browser (e.g. sorting size descending, story #4 in the browser list is missing in the above), which makes the script I have to make one large page from all the smaller ones a bit moot

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Crumbly Writer

@AmigaClone

In July 1, SOL turns 18 - some of the stories being "archived" were posted (or started posting) that day.

Damn! It'd be interested to check the stories that are that old and see whether they still stand up to the current fare.

If Lazeez had time, it might be interesting to have a 'anniversary' party for the site, where he lists all the original stories (from the same year) for a short period just to highlight how much the site has changed over time.

It's not gonna happen, but it's interesting to consider!

Crumbly Writer

@madnige

If you'd prefer the list to be sorted by author rather than story title, change 'alpha' to 'author_name'; for by-score change it to 'story_score' and for by-size to 'story_size' although for the last two it would also be good to sort in descending order (largest first) by changing 'so=asc' to 'so=desc'

I wonder how many 18-year-patrons are still active on the site (and thus their stories will remain).

I'm guessing not more than a couple, at most. :(

Ernest Bywater

@seanski1969

Whether it matters or not, I hope that Lazeez appreciates a reader informing him of a possible glitch, I don't truly know.


he does, but he doesn't always see them when they're posted in general forum threads. However, send him a message via the Webmaster link or in the Bug Report forum and he'll get an immediate notification of them.

Ernest Bywater

I did scan the list, but not the full list - just too long for me to put in the time. I sorted the list by votes and by downloads and by scores - I was stunned by the hundreds of stories that had no scores or votes. It was at that point I gave up on delving further into the list.

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@Crumbly Writer


I wonder how many 18-year-patrons are still active on the site (and thus their stories will remain).


I did a Category Search by date in ascending order. Unfortunately I had to select one tag so I chose M/F.

Looks like the first stories were posted on 7/1/1999.

The 1st, 3rd, and 4th are premier only. The 2nd and 5th–11th are free to all. However, 5–10 are all from the same author — Losgud.

The 1st 46 stories are "much sex." Ah, the good old days. That was the SOL I fell in love with.

ETA: Just out of curiosity, I changed the M/F to M/M. The first story with an M/M code was 7/9/1999. Eight days after the site started. And it has a score of 7.21 so readers back then were more open-minded. Again, the good old days.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Crumbly Writer

I wonder how many 18-year-patrons are still active on the site (and thus their stories will remain).


Author with ID #1 Parthenogenesis (first author entered into the database when I moved from static files to database based site) his latest post was 6 months ago :)

John Demille: ID #23 - 2017-03-21
Parthenogenesis: ID #1 - 2016-12-06
Caesar: ID #14 - 2014-08-20
Losgud: ID #6 - 2013-08-26

Losgud, Caesar and Al Steiner were the authors that I started the site's stories section with (I had pictures at that time in 1997). Al Steiner's last post was in 2010.

I started the site with a static IP address and no domain name in Feb 1997. Registered 'storiesonline.net' in 1998. Moved to database (as the number of stories grew too large to handle statically) in 1999. Took few months to move the stories to the database. The first story moved was 'Abducted' by Parthenogenesis because alphabetically it's the first story.

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AmigaClone

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Thanks for that history of SOL. I admit that I wondered about why the first stories were listed alphabetically, but my curiosity was never enough to ask.

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I had used the advanced search with an end date and "date ascending" to get the Jul 1, 1999 date (the date the database started getting populated.)

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@AmigaClone

I had used the advanced search with an end date and "date ascending"


Yeah, that worked great. Since no story codes were selected, it was for all stories.

zellus

@Crumbly Writer

That's exactly what he's doing, which was my point: that you can get those same stories for free online with a little searching. It's the SOL authors we're (readers) are primarily concerned with.


It's perfectly legal to make mony on books that are in the public domain.

Crumbly Writer

@zellus

It's perfectly legal to make mony on books that are in the public domain.

And if you don't want to pay for them (say by subscribing to the site), you can always find them yourself. Most are available online on several different sites.

richardshagrin

@zellus

It's perfectly legal to make mony on books that are in the public domain.


If it is a book about Mouhamed Ali, then it would be Ali mony.

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Crumbly Writer

@richardshagrin

If it is a book about Mouhamed Ali, then it would be Ali mony.

I wouldn't mind a share of Ali's money, but now, I think he needs most of it for medical care due to his complication from being pounded in the face (so much for 'rope-a-dope' as an athletic strategy). If he'd never been prosecuted for his religious objections NOT to fight in the Vietnam War, chances are he'd be fine today.

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@Crumbly Writer

I wouldn't mind a share of Ali's money, but now, I think he needs most of it for medical care


He's dead.

Crumbly Writer
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@Switch Blayde


He's dead.


Ah, the memory must be going. I forg—what was I saying?

StarFleet Carl

@Switch Blayde

Say it correctly. You forgot the proper name.

He's dead.


He's dead, Jim.

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Crumbly Writer

@StarFleet Carl

He's dead, Jim.

Sorry, but I missed the reference. Was that from an original Star Trek episode?

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AmigaClone

@Crumbly Writer


He's dead, Jim.

Sorry, but I missed the reference. Was that from an original Star Trek episode?


More than one of the episodes in the original Star Trek series had that line. I think the second Star Trek movie also may have had that line as well.

MrWolf_UK

Not sure if it does it for anyone else, but the list of stories to be archived, lists each story twice.

MrWolf_UK

@MrWolf_UK

Okay, not every story lists twice, probably about 50%

Ernest Bywater

@MrWolf_UK

Not sure if it does it for anyone else, but the list of stories to be archived, lists each story twice.


They're probably the stories with 2 authors, so each author gets it listed - thus twice.

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Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

They're probably the stories with 2 authors, so each author gets it listed - thus twice.

Also, if they're sorted alphabetically, it'll list those duplicates together, making them seem more prevalent than in a straightforward list (not sorted by author).

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@MrWolf_UK

Not sure if it does it for anyone else, but the list of stories to be archived, lists each story twice.


The ones with multiple authors were. It's an oversight in the query pulling them from the database.

I fixed the bug and now each story is listed once.

bstarling

It's a shame that stories on the Top Classics and similar lists aren't exempted from this.

Over time, those lists are inevitably going to become mostly premier-only lists, making them increasingly worthless for newcomers just checking out the site. This also seems to make things like the Clitorides much less useful to the community, as the years in which most of the nominees were SOL stories will gradually end up being locked away from the public.

I obviously don't know what a dead/retired author would have wanted done with his work, but it seems like a shame for some of the greats to end up locked behind a paywall, if they didn't intend that to happen.

Crumbly Writer

@bstarling

It's a shame that stories on the Top Classics and similar lists aren't exempted from this.

Over time, those lists are inevitably going to become mostly premier-only lists, making them increasingly worthless for newcomers just checking out the site. This also seems to make things like the Clitorides much less useful to the community, as the years in which most of the nominees were SOL stories will gradually end up being locked away from the public.

You're likely right about the various lists, mostly because of the site's artificial score deflation (meaning the older stories all had higher scores than the newer ones, even if they received the exact same votes), but the Clitorides is a different story.

True, free readers can't read the entire historic list of winners, but each of the nominees is, as far as I know, still living, so it's still an ideal way to discover the great stories you may have missed during the past (several) years.

Also, as has been mentioned, even if someone can't afford a perpetual membership, they can always keep a list of the stories they want to read, and purchase the more limited temporary memberships to catch up. While some credit/debit cards might limit this, it's still a viable option for most.

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@bstarling

SOL stories will gradually end up being locked away from the public.


Keep in mind what the alternative might be. No SOL.

Years ago, I used to run a story site. It was free. I spent hours each week maintaining the site, much less than I expect Lazeez does.

My only income came from people clicking on ad banners (which SOL does not have). At one point, I told people that if not enough people clicked on the banners I'd shut the site down. They didn't. I shut it down.

Ernest Bywater

@Crumbly Writer

You're likely right about the various lists, mostly because of the site's artificial score deflation


which is also applied to the old scores on the stories that existed at that time. The system was to balance out that old over-scoring process.

RP

I checked by to June and didn't see this question - what happens when an author who's stories have been archived starts to post again. Storymaster has posted a new story the 1st since 2011.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@RP

I checked by to June and didn't see this question - what happens when an author who's stories have been archived starts to post again. Storymaster has posted a new story the 1st since 2011.


When an author logs in again, their stories go back to the free section.

StoryMaster didn't log in. I posted that story.

Long ago, up until 2002, I asked for authors' permissions to post their stories on the site. For the authors whose permission I have, whenever I find a story that's not on the site, I post it. That happened with StoryMaster today.

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