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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

There are many many stories on SOL that mention the word "engineer" or "engineering." Most of the ones I checked, however, were simply a declaration that some character in the story was an engineer or was taking engineering classes.
What I'm looking for are stories where engineering problems are discussed (on the job site or in a classroom or elsewhere). It doesn't need to be in great detail, but it needs to be enough to give a good flavor of what solving engineering problems is about.
Are there such stories on SOL?

Replies:   Remus2  ian_macf  pangor  ian_macf  mcguy101
Zellus ๐Ÿšซ

Story: https://storiesonline.net/s/75651/a-new-past
Author: https://storiesonline.net/a/Charlie_Foxtrot

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

Some of Catman's stories have discussions on engineering tasks, but they aren't major civil engineering projects like dams etc. In The Dirt Daubers much of the talk is about the engineering involved in preparing blocks of land for building and making roads etc. While others like If I had a Boat talks about some of the engineering in building small boats. The rest have some similar types of discussions in them as part of the story.

https://storiesonline.net/a/Catman

SGTStoner ๐Ÿšซ

I just put one up recently that featured a lot of engineering discussions as part of a military/sci-fi piece. Not the main storyline, but it's definitely there. "Victoria Per Scientiam"

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StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@SGTStoner

I just put one up recently that featured a lot of engineering discussions as part of a military/sci-fi piece. Not the main storyline, but it's definitely there. "Victoria Per Scientiam"

And while I'm not totally finished reading it, a very damn GOOD read, too.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

Yes it is.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

There are some in the smart girl universe, but the two I'd mention specifically have already been mentioned.

There are several that mention engineering in the background.

BarBar ๐Ÿšซ
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While my Bec story is not even remotely about engineering, Bec's brother is studying engineering and in Chapter 23, she attends a class with her brother:

Bec: Chapter 23

Hope this is what you're looking for.

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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@BarBar

hapter 23

Hope this is what you're looking for

Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

Gauthier ๐Ÿšซ
Updated:

The bits & bytes Universe:
"Bits, Bytes and Life" by Asa Strong (moved elsewhere)
"More than a Stretch!" by bytemangler

In a Science Fiction setting, there is also:
The Preacher Man by hammingbyrd7

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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Gauthier

"Bits, Bytes and Life" by Asa Strong (moved elsewhere)
"More than a Stretch!" by bytemangler

Where is "Bits, Bytes and Life" available?

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madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Where is "Bits, Bytes and Life" available?

Before her hosting company 'updated' things, it was on BtFH; Gina's site is now sort-of up again, but you need to re-register, and I don't know if all stories are back up yet.

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Tazzy81 ๐Ÿšซ

@madnige

I'm always looking for new places to read stories so where is BtfH? pm me please the details so in case you get into trouble for advertising another place, thanks :)

jimh67 ๐Ÿšซ

There is some engineering in Gold by Bigzeke but I don't recall how much. You think you're getting a post apoc story but it's really about building a mining camp in excruciating detail. Chapter after chapter of building a mining camp.

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@jimh67

There is some engineering in Gold by Bigzeke but I don't recall how much.

Civil engineering specifically. I'd forgotten about that one, thanks for the reminder.

karactr ๐Ÿšซ

If you want excruciating detail, you could always read/reread "Walden".

ian_macf ๐Ÿšซ
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@PotomacBob

Have a look at "Some Assembly Required" in The Swarm universe. There's another 'engineering' story in that universe but I didn't find it on a quick look through.

| Found it. "Destination Azahar"

Ian

karactr ๐Ÿšซ

Than again, there is always Lazlo's "Mothers and Daughters". Not much on details, but plenty of tech and engineering.

pangor ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Have you seen "Service Society" by Lazlo Zalezac?

https://storiesonline.net/s/67976/service-society

ian_macf ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Try 'The River Rat'

Ian

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@ian_macf

There are three of them by that title. Which author?

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ian_macf ๐Ÿšซ
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@Remus2

Anthony Concept and when I search on that title I get exactly 1 hit. More hits if you leave out 'the' :-)

Ian

redthumb ๐Ÿšซ

What about Alone Together by Wes Boyd? There are others in the series also.

NC-Retired ๐Ÿšซ

I can't remember any detailed engineering, but it's at least mentioned in https://storiesonline.net/s/60710/the-donaldsons by Lazlo Zalzac.

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@NC-Retired

I can't remember any detailed engineering, but it's at least mentioned in https://storiesonline.net/s/60710/the-donaldsons by Lazlo Zalzac.

Just finished it, as you stated, no detailed engineering but enough to get you thinking on more than one branch. Thanks for pointing out the story, it was a good one.

mimauk ๐Ÿšซ

Macdonald Enterprises by RDM starts with the young lad as a Millwright and builds an Engineering firm.
https://storiesonline.net/s/46896/mcdonald-enterprises

mcguy101 ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

I would highly recommend Love and Hate by Lazlong. It should fit your bill. While it is technically incomplete and inactive, it could have easily be marked "complete", as the last chapter ended in a logical way based upon the context of the story. Still, I would have loved to have seen more.

https://storiesonline.net/s/48979/love-and-hate

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

https://youtu.be/C5_UtZWK1aw

That kind of shit is why I retired from any form of engineering. If the EOR signed off on that top deck, they are screwed.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

If the EOR signed off on that top deck, they are screwed.

Only if it collapsed simply under it's own weight. Wait for a determination of the cause of the collapse. The construction crew could have done something to cause the collapse.

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

I'm waiting, and putting some feelers out to some peers. However, the top deck hanging from apparently untensioned PT cables, and the manner in which it flopped about during the pancake strongly suggest lack of tension prior to continuation of work.

It's not the first time I've seen something like this.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

However, the top deck hanging from apparently untensioned PT cables, and the manner in which it flopped about during the pancake strongly suggest lack of tension prior to continuation of work.

Perhaps. Even taking your work for that, it still to me suggests more of a construction error than an engineering error.

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

The blame tree of logic:
In order of convenience...

1. Inspector
2. Workers
3. Materials
4. Design engineers
5. Engineer of Record
6. Primary contractor and their subs
7. Owners

I've been the EOR on many projects. I've also been brought in for many investigations after the fact. That is the normal progress of events. Can't blame it on #1, go to #2. Not #2? Go to 3 etc. There is a reason critical evolutions have sign offs prior to completion.

The first one in that line found to have failed or ignored contractually agreed upon process steps will take the majority of the hit.

When someone died and or is injured (both being the case) in the states, shit hits the fan initiating that logic tree.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

Why even bother including the inspector? Aren't they generally government employees? That would pretty much give them immunity on civil or criminal liability short of intentional malfeasance.

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

Why even bother including the inspector? Aren't they generally government employees? That would pretty much give them immunity on civil or criminal liability short of intentional malfeasance.

Generally, no they are not government employees. That statement tells me you've a very basic hole in your knowledge base.

While there are government building inspectors, they are not the first line of construction inspectors. The latter are usually from specialized firms as detailed in the FEED (front end engineering and design) documents and the construction contract. Sometimes on larger or more contested sites, an IACS company is used for compliance verification. While IACS main bread and butter is maritime based, in recent decades, they've branched out.

These inspectors are intended to be independent verification. In many states, they are legally mandated. The actual state inspectors end up taking their reports as evidence with only minimal inspections of their own. Some states such as California and New York, carry additional certification requirements for them. Others are required to be ICBO, ICC certified, while yet others simply take AWS CWI weld inspectors and or ACI concrete inspectors.

In all cases, they are intended to be independent. I say intended because that is not always how it works out. When the schedule slips due to failed inspection points, pressure is often applied to the inspector and or the company they are employed by.

The government keeps a degree of separation usually. That's built into the mix. Sometimes the government entities still get caught up in it.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540669701/10-years-after-bridge-collapse-america-is-still-crumbling

In the immediate aftermath of the 35W bridge collapse, the Minnesota Department of Transportation came under intense scrutiny. The interstate highway bridge had been classified as structurally deficient, meaning that it was aging and in need of repair. In fact, some repair work was going on when it fell. And the bridge was also rated as fracture critical, meaning the failure of just one vital component could cause the whole bridge to collapse.

But in fact, neither of those classifications means a bridge is necessarily dangerous. And the National Transportation Safety Board determined that it was a design flaw, and not deferred maintenance, neglect, or other problems, that caused the 35W bridge to collapse. Gusset plates that hold the bridge's huge steel beams together were only half as thick as they should have been. The NTSB also found that nearly 300 tons of construction equipment and materials stockpiled on the bridge deck for the ongoing repair work contributed to the collapse by further stressing the crucial gusset plate that failed.

Here, the MDT was implicated, and rightfully so. They knew about the fracture critical elements that were cracked. Instead of fixing them, they deferred them. When it all went tits up, the NTSB covered their arse and went to the aforementioned logic blame tree and fingered the design, thus getting both themselves and MDT out of the hot seat.

The whole mess is still in litigation. The original inspectors and their company were tossed off the job when they reported those cracks. My company was briefly consulted by the inspection company as a result. There was no fucking way we were getting in the middle of that.

As it stands, the original inspectors and company have been paid nicely after the fact. The last company that miraculously never found any cracks are now out of business and with its owners and 'inspectors' awaiting the Sword of Damocles as the shit roles down from on government high.

Call me jaded, but I couldn't stand that kind of shit anymore. The number of attempted bribes, threats, and general level of malfeasance was too much to deal with. I, nor my family, nor my company and employees needed that shit.

We all left with our integrity and honor intact. Few still in the chase can say the same.

Regarding this particular incident, follow up on it in the next few years and remember that logic tree. I'm 99.99% sure the blame will follow true to form with it.

ETA: Typo fix

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Some further research material for you. At one point in time or another, besides the PE stamps, I've held one or more certifications from each of the following*.

http://iiwelding.org/qualification-certification

https://www.cswip.com/

https://www.iccsafe.org/

https://www.aws.org/certification

https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/Certification/Certification

https://www.api.org/products-and-services/individual-certification-programs

https://www.asnt.org/MajorSiteSections/Certification

https://www.cwbgroup.org/certification-and-qualification/csa-w1782-welding-inspector-certification

http://naceinstitute.org/home

https://www.concrete.org/certification/certificationprograms.aspx

https://www.asminternational.org/learning/certification

https://www.asme.org/certification-accreditation
That one was creating programs for U and R stamps. Actual inspectors come from;
https://www.nationalboard.org/index.aspx?pageID=115&ID=163
*I never held one of those as the national board pays peanuts. However, if you know a Navy nuclear tech just getting out, their ANI program is an excellent spring board for higher paying jobs later in the nuclear field.

https://asq.org/cert

It's the cost of doing business in my former career. Some engineers are content to park their ass in a chair and fondle a mouse all day. I was never one or them.

Looking at the ICC/ICBO, AWS, and ASQ sites will give you a good primer for what they actually do.

Flanny_315 ๐Ÿšซ

I recall a story that involved a man who had invented a bunch of things and had an example of each thing in a bunker style place in his basement. One was a valve for nuclear service if I recall.
The rest of the husbands in the culdesac were killed in a plane crash if I recall correctly.
Perhaps not as directly engineer involved as you'd like but it's what I've git.
I realize that isn't much to go on especially as I can't recall the author or title. Odds are good however that the next few posters will have the title and author though.
Flanny

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Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ
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@Flanny_315

One was a valve for nuclear service

That may have been based on reality. One of the many fallouts from the Three Mile Island incident was related to the hard facing of valve disk with stellite. There was some immediate action in the form of testing, and by 1984, phasing out the original form used for that hard facing.

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/nuregs/contract/cr6807/#intro

By 2002, the matter was settled. Mandatory inspections, service schedules, materials changes, etc.

All of that because the massive amounts of decay products found post incident. The stellite hard facing of the time was chipping off with wear. Those chips were found in both the SGR circa lines, and secondary systems. The chemical makeup of the material is/was high in nickel content. That in turn resulted in high levels of Co60 isotopes (one potential decay product of cobalt60). The cobalt was needed in the stellite alloy to stabilize the nickel. Co60 isotope decays into Ni60 which causes a lot of confusion.

The end result was excessive highly radioactive waste until a new stellite matrix/alloy was developed.

The group that solved that problem set the standard for every nuclear service valve hard facing since 1984. That author must have heard about, or knew the people involved. That same group made millions in the doing.

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Flanny_315 ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

Very cool. We use stellite for wear rings in some of our pumps. It's one of the few materials we can tack tig weld with to secure tungsten carbide coated rings as well.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Flanny_315

Centrifugal pumps I presume?

Replies:   Flanny_315
Flanny_315 ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

Yessir.

Radagast ๐Ÿšซ

Starting Small by Lazlong:
Engineer gets laid off for having standards, goes into business for himself:
https://storiesonline.net/library/get_review.php?id=43447
Caveat. I have not read this story, I have read other works by Lazlong and enjoyed them, so I have bookmarked this one for later.
Cross posted in the start a business thread.

madnige ๐Ÿšซ
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How about Aurora's 'The Engineer' series? The problems solved are more social engineering type, but from the mindset of a 'real' engineer (IIRC)

Average Geek ๐Ÿšซ

Thanks for pointing this story out! Fantastic read - tore thru the entire series in a day!

Replies:   qqqq
qqqq ๐Ÿšซ

@Average Geek

a new past by charly foxtrot

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